Re: [Marxism] A world of tyrants and graves - Ilham Ahmed (NYT)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I sent Ilham Ahmed's article to the list because it spells out her critique of the Assad regime in more detail than is usual in statements by leaders of the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria. It clarifies their attitude to Assad. But this does not mean the article says everything I would like it to say. I agree it would have been good to acknowledge the ongoing struggles for democracy in other areas outside the DFNS. Jason says these other areas were "more chaotic--why? Because they were bombed consistently by Assad and the YPG controlled areas were not". I agree that Assad's bombing is one reason for the problems of rebel-controlled areas. But it is not the only reason. Another was the funding and arming of reactionary groups by Turkey, and by governments and private sources in the Gulf states. I would also point out that, while the DFNS has rarely been bombed by Assad's air force, this does not mean it has been free from aggression by hostile forces. It has been attacked by Turkey and various Turkish backed forces, including ISIS. In addition to weapons from Turkey, ISIS had missiles and heavy artillery they had captured from the Iraqi army in Mosul. This enabled them to devastate places such as Kobane. Chris Slee From: Jason Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2018 11:36:26 AM To: Chris Slee; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] A world of tyrants and graves - Ilham Ahmed (NYT) This notes the early days of the Syrian revolution outside YPG-controlled areas but then writes as if as soon as it militarized it was "extremism": "The regime responded in kind, laying the groundwork for extremist groups to legitimize themselves as protectors of the people while mobilizing Syria’s youths under the banner of radical ideologies." and then goes on to list all kinds of claims about positive developments in YPG-controlled areas as opposed to the "chaos" implicitly imputed to the rest. First, the other areas were more chaotic--why? Because they were bombed consistently by Assad and the YPG controlled areas were not. Second, the other areas still had positive developments, including voting, and this editorial makes no effort to connect with them, instead contrasting itself to them. This is irresponsible. It is selective solidarity. It is a failure. On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 5:43 PM Chris Slee via Marxism mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>> wrote: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/16/opinion/politics/syria-democracy-survival.html Opinion | A World of Tyrants and Graves - The New York Times [Ilham Ahmed is a Kurdish politician and co-chairwoman of the Syrian Democratic Council, a group of progressive, democratic parties governing the Northern Syria Federation.] Throughout history, violence has been a primary tool of totalitarian regimes. And when a tyrannical authority responds to legitimate demands for liberty with indiscriminate violence, its people must decide whether to flee to parts unknown or to stay and fight for their freedom. In Syria, we live with this dynamic every day. My group, the Syrian Democratic Council, is a multiethnic coalition that makes up the political arm of the Syrian Democratic Forces. We have resisted the Assad regime for years. But what began as peaceful protests soon evolved into a more complex movement that has been compelled to adopt violence as a means of protection and as the only effective way to establish liberal democracy in Syria. The Syrian regime that portrays itself as a secular government established its power decades ago by using violence against its opponents and anyone who disagreed with it. It established a dynastic dictatorship — a far cry from the republican system that allegedly exists today. The real rulers in Syria were not politicians who could be held accountable by their constituents, but rather covert security forces that acted as the legislature, executive and judiciary. Judge, jury and executioner were all in the hands of the secret police. Among the most infamous of its branches was the Air Force Intelligence Directorate, which saw the rise of Hafez al-Assad. Mr. Assad used his influence there, and his later role as minister of defense, to seize the presidency in Syria in 1970 before passing rule to his
Re: [Marxism] A world of tyrants and graves - Ilham Ahmed (NYT)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This notes the early days of the Syrian revolution outside YPG-controlled areas but then writes as if as soon as it militarized it was "extremism": "The regime responded in kind, laying the groundwork for extremist groups to legitimize themselves as protectors of the people while mobilizing Syria’s youths under the banner of radical ideologies." and then goes on to list all kinds of claims about positive developments in YPG-controlled areas as opposed to the "chaos" implicitly imputed to the rest. First, the other areas were more chaotic--why? Because they were bombed consistently by Assad and the YPG controlled areas were not. Second, the other areas still had positive developments, including voting, and this editorial makes no effort to connect with them, instead contrasting itself to them. This is irresponsible. It is selective solidarity. It is a failure. On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 5:43 PM Chris Slee via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/16/opinion/politics/syria-democracy-survival.html > > > Opinion | A World of Tyrants and Graves - The New York Times > > [Ilham Ahmed is a Kurdish politician and co-chairwoman of the Syrian > Democratic Council, a group of progressive, democratic parties governing > the Northern Syria Federation.] > > Throughout history, violence has been a primary tool of totalitarian > regimes. And when a tyrannical authority responds to legitimate demands for > liberty with indiscriminate violence, its people must decide whether to > flee to parts unknown or to stay and fight for their freedom. > In Syria, we live with this dynamic every day. > My group, the Syrian Democratic Council, is a multiethnic coalition that > makes up the political arm of the Syrian Democratic Forces. We have > resisted the Assad regime for years. But what began as peaceful protests > soon evolved into a more complex movement that has been compelled to adopt > violence as a means of protection and as the only effective way to > establish liberal democracy in Syria. > The Syrian regime that portrays itself as a secular government established > its power decades ago by using violence against its opponents and anyone > who disagreed with it. It established a dynastic dictatorship — a far cry > from the republican system that allegedly exists today. > The real rulers in Syria were not politicians who could be held > accountable by their constituents, but rather covert security forces that > acted as the legislature, executive and judiciary. Judge, jury and > executioner were all in the hands of the secret police. Among the most > infamous of its branches was the Air Force Intelligence Directorate, which > saw the rise of Hafez al-Assad. Mr. Assad used his influence there, and his > later role as minister of defense, to seize the presidency in Syria in 1970 > before passing rule to his son, Bashar al-Assad. > In March 2011, young women and men marched in the streets calling for > peaceful change and democratic transition in Syria. They were filled with > hope and new ideas. None of these men and women thought that they would be > forced to embrace violence — the same means used by the government to stay > in power — in their struggle for democracy. > The Assad regime responded to these protests with brutality. Children who > had been arrested for spraying antigovernment graffiti on a school were > imprisoned and beaten. People took up arms to protect their families, their > homes and their neighborhoods. The regime responded in kind, laying the > groundwork for extremist groups to legitimize themselves as protectors of > the people while mobilizing Syria’s youths under the banner of radical > ideologies. > In northern Syria, the Syrian Democratic Council realized the problem that > this violent dynamic presented early on. The line between fighting for > democracy and fighting for our lives is razor sharp, and the two are not > mutually exclusive. > Yes, we use weapons to protect ourselves, but our society has not fallen > into chaos. Those who use violence must be held accountable, even when they > use it as a last resort. We have established supervised local units of > fighters that are allowed to use violence only for self-defense. Meanwhile, > Mr. Assad’s military continues to attack civilians with chemical weapons.
Re: [Marxism] A world of tyrants and graves - Ilham Ahmed (NYT)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * > On Sep 21, 2018, at 6:14 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism > wrote: > > Chris Slee undermines support for the Rogava cause by using Marxmail as > nothing but a place to post about it. Could not agree more. Habits die hard apparently. Except when they don’t die at all. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A world of tyrants and graves - Ilham Ahmed (NYT)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 9/21/18 5:42 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: ead looting. As long as Syria, or any other country, has a leader who desires more control than a liberal democracy can provide, violence will continue to spread. At a time when hundreds of thousands of people have been killed simply to consolidate power for a few, democracy must be defended by more than just rhetoric. To believe otherwise is to resign oneself to a world of nothing but tyrants and graves. Although I am wasting my breath, let me state that Chris Slee undermines support for the Rogava cause by using Marxmail as nothing but a place to post about it. It is the same thing we got from Yoshie Furuhashi about Iran and the same thing we got from Walter Lippmann about Cuba. They rarely posted outside those narrow frameworks. It always gave me the feeling that we were on the ground and someone was in an airplane throwing leaflets to the ground. Single-issue interventions like this tends to breed resistance and is a sign that despite the restructuring of the Australian Trotskyist movement, its post-incarnation still has some bad habits. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A world of tyrants and graves - Ilham Ahmed (NYT)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/16/opinion/politics/syria-democracy-survival.html Opinion | A World of Tyrants and Graves - The New York Times [Ilham Ahmed is a Kurdish politician and co-chairwoman of the Syrian Democratic Council, a group of progressive, democratic parties governing the Northern Syria Federation.] Throughout history, violence has been a primary tool of totalitarian regimes. And when a tyrannical authority responds to legitimate demands for liberty with indiscriminate violence, its people must decide whether to flee to parts unknown or to stay and fight for their freedom. In Syria, we live with this dynamic every day. My group, the Syrian Democratic Council, is a multiethnic coalition that makes up the political arm of the Syrian Democratic Forces. We have resisted the Assad regime for years. But what began as peaceful protests soon evolved into a more complex movement that has been compelled to adopt violence as a means of protection and as the only effective way to establish liberal democracy in Syria. The Syrian regime that portrays itself as a secular government established its power decades ago by using violence against its opponents and anyone who disagreed with it. It established a dynastic dictatorship — a far cry from the republican system that allegedly exists today. The real rulers in Syria were not politicians who could be held accountable by their constituents, but rather covert security forces that acted as the legislature, executive and judiciary. Judge, jury and executioner were all in the hands of the secret police. Among the most infamous of its branches was the Air Force Intelligence Directorate, which saw the rise of Hafez al-Assad. Mr. Assad used his influence there, and his later role as minister of defense, to seize the presidency in Syria in 1970 before passing rule to his son, Bashar al-Assad. In March 2011, young women and men marched in the streets calling for peaceful change and democratic transition in Syria. They were filled with hope and new ideas. None of these men and women thought that they would be forced to embrace violence — the same means used by the government to stay in power — in their struggle for democracy. The Assad regime responded to these protests with brutality. Children who had been arrested for spraying antigovernment graffiti on a school were imprisoned and beaten. People took up arms to protect their families, their homes and their neighborhoods. The regime responded in kind, laying the groundwork for extremist groups to legitimize themselves as protectors of the people while mobilizing Syria’s youths under the banner of radical ideologies. In northern Syria, the Syrian Democratic Council realized the problem that this violent dynamic presented early on. The line between fighting for democracy and fighting for our lives is razor sharp, and the two are not mutually exclusive. Yes, we use weapons to protect ourselves, but our society has not fallen into chaos. Those who use violence must be held accountable, even when they use it as a last resort. We have established supervised local units of fighters that are allowed to use violence only for self-defense. Meanwhile, Mr. Assad’s military continues to attack civilians with chemical weapons. Whereas we employ fighters whose power is limited by the rule of law, Mr. Assad’s weapons are the law. We have not abandoned other means of struggle, either. We organize protests in Syria and abroad, and have set up fair elections in areas protected by the Syrian Democratic Forces. We have proposed a decentralized solution to governance, as we believe that power in the hands of only a few has been responsible for so much of the recent bloodshed and oppression in Syria. Our efforts serve as a reminder of what democracy really is: the rule of the people, by the people, for the people. Since Mr. Assad’s ascent to power, democracy has served as little more than a cover for expanding his control. The government held elections in 2016, but only in regions it ruled. As a result, the vote overwhelmingly favored the regime, propping up its legitimacy. In the background, activists, journalists and even whole populations continued to be imprisoned, displaced or murdered. Today, the Syrian Democratic Council helps maintain an educational system for more than 80,000 students in the Jazira region, and for more than 50,000 in the Afrin region. We provide education in Kurdish, Aramaic and Arabic, and have established universities in Afrin and in the cities of Qamishli and Kobani. Building a new Syria helps ensure a proper balance between violent and
