Re: [Marxism] Blumenthal letter

[Ron Jacobs via Marxism]

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Sorry, this letter is calling for out and out censorship because of a
political debate on the left.  It is a vitriolic debate full of
misinformation and subject to influences with motivations known and
unknown.   Blumenthal did step over a line with this tweet and I often do
not agree with his writing or approach.  However, there is comparable
vitriol coming from those who seem to hate Assad more than they oppose US
imperialism.  I hope Verso tells the signers of this letter to go to hell
in the name of spirited disagreement  Blumenthal is no more a fascist than
the writer of this letter.

Censorship and threats are not the way to deal with political differences
in the Left I know.  Arguments and debate and a refusal to respond to those
one cannot find fit to argue with, yes.

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Re: [Marxism] Blumenthal letter

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Kindly name some of those on the Left "who hate Assad more than they oppose
US imperialism."

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:54 PM Ron Jacobs via Marxism <
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>
> Sorry, this letter is calling for out and out censorship because of a
> political debate on the left.  It is a vitriolic debate full of
> misinformation and subject to influences with motivations known and
> unknown.   Blumenthal did step over a line with this tweet and I often do
> not agree with his writing or approach.  However, there is comparable
> vitriol coming from those who seem to hate Assad more than they oppose US
> imperialism.  I hope Verso tells the signers of this letter to go to hell
> in the name of spirited disagreement  Blumenthal is no more a fascist than
> the writer of this letter.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Marxism] Blumenthal letter

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Me, for one.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 3:24 PM Dennis Brasky  wrote:

> Kindly name some of those on the Left "who hate Assad more than they
> oppose US imperialism."
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:54 PM Ron Jacobs via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Sorry, this letter is calling for out and out censorship because of a
>> political debate on the left.  It is a vitriolic debate full of
>> misinformation and subject to influences with motivations known and
>> unknown.   Blumenthal did step over a line with this tweet and I often do
>> not agree with his writing or approach.  However, there is comparable
>> vitriol coming from those who seem to hate Assad more than they oppose US
>> imperialism.  I hope Verso tells the signers of this letter to go to hell
>> in the name of spirited disagreement  Blumenthal is no more a fascist than
>> the writer of this letter.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Marxism] Blumenthal letter

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On 9/19/18 2:44 PM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote:

Sorry, this letter is calling for out and out censorship because of a
political debate on the left.


This is an old story. Rania Khalek lost her job with Electronic Intifada 
because of her Assadism. Grayzone got the boot from Alternet probably 
because they wanted to clean house after they fired their editor. 
Meanwhile, Tim Hayward, a British Assadist, complained to the 
administration where Idrees Ahmad teaches because he supposedly tried to 
intimidate an Assadist grad student. Considering the depths of the 
differences over these issues, I am surprised there haven't been fist 
fights.

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Re: [Marxism] Blumenthal letter

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This makes no sense. If someone were a sexist and wrote sexist things, it 
wouldn't be "censorship" for a left press to not publish them and it would be 
wrong to dismiss that as a "political debate".
If you think Syria is confusing because of misinformation, then frankly you 
need better research and better critical thinking skills because it's three 
most documented "debate" one could look for. 

> On Sep 19, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism 
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> Sorry, this letter is calling for out and out censorship because of a
> political debate on the left.

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Re: [Marxism] Blumenthal letter

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Is the call on Verso to stop publishing Blumenthal a call for censorship?

If this were a call to some mainstream capitalist publisher, such as Dutton
for example, then an argument could be made. Even that, though, has to be
qualified. Any serious capitalist publishing house, just like any serious
capitalist journal, has certain standards as far as accuracy. I think it's
a fair question to ask whether Blumenthal meets those standards. Of course,
none of us has seen his latest piece, but I think it's fair to guess that
it's about as accurate as what he's been churning out so far.

In any case, though, we're not talking about a mainstream capitalist
publisher; we're talking about Verso, which bills itself as the foremost
publisher of "radical" books. Would Verso publish a book by a supporter of
Netanyahu? Or of Nerandra Modi? Or Trump or Putin, for that matter? If so,
then they have abandoned their claim to be a "radical" publishing house.
So, why should a book by a supporter of Assad be published by them? What's
the difference?

I support the original letter 100%.

John Reimann

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Re: [Marxism] Blumenthal letter

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I recall AK Press publishing some absolutely disgusting garbage by cranks.
I don't expect much from any of these places. They're just for-profit book
publishers pandering to a specific demographic. It just so happens that
that demographic happens to have some kind of soft spot for the Syrian
government.

Amith R. Gupta

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> Is the call on Verso to stop publishing Blumenthal a call for censorship?
>
> If this were a call to some mainstream capitalist publisher, such as Dutton
> for example, then an argument could be made. Even that, though, has to be
> qualified. Any serious capitalist publishing house, just like any serious
> capitalist journal, has certain standards as far as accuracy. I think it's
> a fair question to ask whether Blumenthal meets those standards. Of course,
> none of us has seen his latest piece, but I think it's fair to guess that
> it's about as accurate as what he's been churning out so far.
>
> In any case, though, we're not talking about a mainstream capitalist
> publisher; we're talking about Verso, which bills itself as the foremost
> publisher of "radical" books. Would Verso publish a book by a supporter of
> Netanyahu? Or of Nerandra Modi? Or Trump or Putin, for that matter? If so,
> then they have abandoned their claim to be a "radical" publishing house.
> So, why should a book by a supporter of Assad be published by them? What's
> the difference?
>
> I support the original letter 100%.
>
> John Reimann
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