Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work

[Louis Thiemann via Marxism]

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Criminalization of child labour (especially self-directed child labour) and
the abolition of its necessity are completely separate issues. If children
have to work to survive, the state should allow them to do so without
harassment, allow their unionization as has happened in many places, and so
forth.

The second correct measure taken was to acknowledge that after the age of
10 to 13, depending on the cultural context and the individual, nobody is a
child, but a teenager. Teenagers *want to* slowly grow into their role as
full members of society, and that means at least being able to work. Of
course it is problematic for a child to have to work more than a given part
of the week (say, 15-20 hours). That, however, has very little to do with
the law in question.


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Ricardo Salabert via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> The link from jurist.org links to the website of the Bolivian Senate,
> where
> you can find the information on the new Code for child and teenagers (
>
> http://www.senado.bo/noticia/senado_aprueba_en_grande_y_detalle_nuevo_codigo_nina_nino_adolescente
> ).
> This states that "Sobre la edad mínima para trabajar, está fijada a partir
> de los 14 años." (About the minimum work age, it is set to 14 years of
> age).
>
> As I suspected, despite all the information from other sources, the Senate
> raised the minimum work age.
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> 2014-07-07 18:00 GMT+01:00 DW via Marxism :
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> >  *Bolivia* lowers *child labor* age restriction
> > <
> >
> http://jurist.org/paperchase/2014/07/bolivia-lowers-child-labor-age-restriction.php
> > >
> > JURIST - 13 hours ago
> >  In recent years, *child labor laws* has become a growing subject of
> > international attention.The UN International Labor Organization (ILO)
> last
> > year [JURIST report] released a report on *child labor* [text, PDF; press
> > release] advocating social protections as the key ...
> >*Bolivia* Passes *Law* To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work
> > <
> >
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/05/bolivia-child-labor_n_5559784.html
> > >
> > Huffington Post - Jul 5, 2014
> >  The legislation otherwise lowers the *legal* working age to 12 --
> again, as
> > long the job does not interfere with the *child's* education. A regional
> > official with the U.N. International *Labor* Organization, Carmen Moreno,
> > says the legislation passed Wednesday night ...
> >Germany criticizes *Bolivia's* lax *child labor law*
> > <
> >
> http://www.dw.de/germany-criticizes-bolivias-lax-child-labor-law/a-17758936
> > >
> > Deutsche Welle - Jul 4, 2014
> >  A senior lawmaker from Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic
> > party has called on *Bolivian* president Evo Morales not to sign into
> *law*
> > a measure allowing children to begin working at the age of 10.
> "Politicians
> > cannot regard *child labor* as a ...
> >
> > <
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/10945253/Bolivia-sanctions-child-labour-as-young-as-10.html
> > >
> >  *Bolivia* sanctions *child labour* as young as 10
> > <
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/10945253/Bolivia-sanctions-child-labour-as-young-as-10.html
> > >
> > Telegraph.co.uk - Jul 3, 2014
> >  *Bolivian* lawmakers have approved *child workers* as young as 10 years
> > old, under a new *law* that lays out specific conditions for employing
> > children. Congress passed the measure by consensus on Wednesday,
> requiring
> > employers to follow certain criteria to ...
> >*Bolivia* passes *child labour law*
> > <
> >
> http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140705/world/bolivia-passes-child-labour-law.526350
> > >
> > Times of Malta - Jul 5, 2014
> >  *Bolivia's* Congress has passed legislation to allow *children* as young
> > age 10 to work as long as it does not interfere with their

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work

[Ricardo Salabert via Marxism]

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The link from jurist.org links to the website of the Bolivian Senate, where
you can find the information on the new Code for child and teenagers (
http://www.senado.bo/noticia/senado_aprueba_en_grande_y_detalle_nuevo_codigo_nina_nino_adolescente
).
This states that "Sobre la edad mínima para trabajar, está fijada a partir
de los 14 años." (About the minimum work age, it is set to 14 years of age).

As I suspected, despite all the information from other sources, the Senate
raised the minimum work age.


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2014-07-07 18:00 GMT+01:00 DW via Marxism :

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>  *Bolivia* lowers *child labor* age restriction
> <
> http://jurist.org/paperchase/2014/07/bolivia-lowers-child-labor-age-restriction.php
> >
> JURIST - 13 hours ago
>  In recent years, *child labor laws* has become a growing subject of
> international attention.The UN International Labor Organization (ILO) last
> year [JURIST report] released a report on *child labor* [text, PDF; press
> release] advocating social protections as the key ...
>*Bolivia* Passes *Law* To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work
> <
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/05/bolivia-child-labor_n_5559784.html
> >
> Huffington Post - Jul 5, 2014
>  The legislation otherwise lowers the *legal* working age to 12 -- again, as
> long the job does not interfere with the *child's* education. A regional
> official with the U.N. International *Labor* Organization, Carmen Moreno,
> says the legislation passed Wednesday night ...
>Germany criticizes *Bolivia's* lax *child labor law*
> <
> http://www.dw.de/germany-criticizes-bolivias-lax-child-labor-law/a-17758936
> >
> Deutsche Welle - Jul 4, 2014
>  A senior lawmaker from Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic
> party has called on *Bolivian* president Evo Morales not to sign into *law*
> a measure allowing children to begin working at the age of 10. "Politicians
> cannot regard *child labor* as a ...
>
> <
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/10945253/Bolivia-sanctions-child-labour-as-young-as-10.html
> >
>  *Bolivia* sanctions *child labour* as young as 10
> <
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/10945253/Bolivia-sanctions-child-labour-as-young-as-10.html
> >
> Telegraph.co.uk - Jul 3, 2014
>  *Bolivian* lawmakers have approved *child workers* as young as 10 years
> old, under a new *law* that lays out specific conditions for employing
> children. Congress passed the measure by consensus on Wednesday, requiring
> employers to follow certain criteria to ...
>*Bolivia* passes *child labour law*
> <
> http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140705/world/bolivia-passes-child-labour-law.526350
> >
> Times of Malta - Jul 5, 2014
>  *Bolivia's* Congress has passed legislation to allow *children* as young
> age 10 to work as long as it does not interfere with their education and is
> done independently to help the *child's* family make ends meet. The
> legislation otherwise lowers the *legal* working ...
>New *Bolivia law* would allow 10-year-olds to work
> <
> http://www.komonews.com/news/national/New-Bolivia-law-would-allow-10-year-olds-to-work-265871061.html
> >
> KOMO News - Jul 4, 2014
>  But, I just know there are folks here in America looking to angle a *law*
> such as this that will force those 25,000 illegal immigrant children in
> Arizona into some kind of *child labor* camp. margo 5pts. I think it is a
> good idea to let kids as young as 10 work. Â Kids ...
>   Here are a bunch of news items on it.
>
> <
> http://time.com/2956219/bolivia-to-allow-children-to-legally-work-at-just-10-years-old/
> >
>
> *Bolivia* to Allow *Children* to Legally Work at Just 10 Years Old
> <
> http://time.com/2956219/bolivia-to-allow-children-to-legally-work-at-just-10-years-old/
> >
> TIME - Jul 4, 2014
>  While the minimum age for *child workers* was previously 14 with no
> exceptions, the new bill is more flexible and allows children to start
> "working for others from age 12, which is allowed by international
> conventions, and self-employment from age 10," said Senator Adolfo Mendoza,
> co-sponsor of the bill, re

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work

[DW via Marxism]

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 *Bolivia* lowers *child labor* age restriction

JURIST - ‎13 hours ago‎
 In recent years, *child labor laws* has become a growing subject of
international attention.The UN International Labor Organization (ILO) last
year [JURIST report] released a report on *child labor* [text, PDF; press
release] advocating social protections as the key ...
   *Bolivia* Passes *Law* To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work

Huffington Post - ‎Jul 5, 2014‎
 The legislation otherwise lowers the *legal* working age to 12 — again, as
long the job does not interfere with the *child's* education. A regional
official with the U.N. International *Labor* Organization, Carmen Moreno,
says the legislation passed Wednesday night ...
   Germany criticizes *Bolivia's* lax *child labor law*

Deutsche Welle - ‎Jul 4, 2014‎
 A senior lawmaker from Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic
party has called on *Bolivian* president Evo Morales not to sign into *law*
a measure allowing children to begin working at the age of 10. "Politicians
cannot regard *child labor* as a ...


 *Bolivia* sanctions *child labour* as young as 10

Telegraph.co.uk - ‎Jul 3, 2014‎
 *Bolivian* lawmakers have approved *child workers* as young as 10 years
old, under a new *law* that lays out specific conditions for employing
children. Congress passed the measure by consensus on Wednesday, requiring
employers to follow certain criteria to ...
   *Bolivia* passes *child labour law*

Times of Malta - ‎Jul 5, 2014‎
 *Bolivia's* Congress has passed legislation to allow *children* as young
age 10 to work as long as it does not interfere with their education and is
done independently to help the *child's* family make ends meet. The
legislation otherwise lowers the *legal* working ...
   New *Bolivia law* would allow 10-year-olds to work

KOMO News - ‎Jul 4, 2014‎
 But, I just know there are folks here in America looking to angle a *law*
such as this that will force those 25,000 illegal immigrant children in
Arizona into some kind of *child labor* camp. margo 5pts. I think it is a
good idea to let kids as young as 10 work. Â Kids ...
  Here are a bunch of news items on it.



*Bolivia* to Allow *Children* to Legally Work at Just 10 Years Old

TIME - ‎Jul 4, 2014‎
 While the minimum age for *child workers* was previously 14 with no
exceptions, the new bill is more flexible and allows children to start
“working for others from age 12, which is allowed by international
conventions, and self-employment from age 10,” said Senator Adolfo Mendoza,
co-sponsor of the bill, reports AFP. He emphasized that both the ...
Critics of the previous *law* argue that children younger than 14 years old
must work to help support their families in the impoverished South American
country. Deputy Javier ...


 *Bolivia* Allows 10-Year-Olds to Work Legally to Reduce Poverty

International Business Times UK - ‎Jul 4, 2014‎
 Children as young as ten can now legally work in *Bolivia* thanks to a
change in the *law* on *child labour*, which was signed in by President Evo
Morales in an attempt to reduce poverty in the country. A 1999 *law* in the
country set the minimum working age at 14.
   La Paz makes *child labour legal*

Herald Scotland - ‎Jul 5, 2014‎
 Carmen Moreno, of the UN International *Labour* Organisation, said the
*law* would make *Bolivia* the first country to make work by 10-year-olds
*legal* and called it worrisome in view of *Bolivia* having signed a UN
convention that sets 14 as the minimum age for ...


 *Bolivia* to allow *children* to start working aged 10

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work

[Ricardo Salabert via Marxism]

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My question is if anyone can confirm the news.
Several sources pop up when using different search engines, but I've failed
to locate official information on the matter.

The latest news from the Bolivian government on this are the president's
intent to raise the minimum work age and the meeting with the union of
child workers, that rejected that idea.

Nonetheless, there's a very serious social problem when the children meet
with the president of a state and tell him they need to work to support
their families.

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I realize that socialism now is not on the agenda, but neither is child
labor and its "northern leftist" apologists.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Richard Fidler 
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> And I had a sickening feeling that you, like a lot of Northern lefties,
> simply wouldn't get it. Socialism now, right? Bolivia, show the world the
> way, please... Substitute your dreams for reality.
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> > This issue also has to be analyzed in the context of many other programs
> > and
> > initiatives tending toward reducing the need for child and adolescent
> > labour
> > and promoting educational opportunities. For example, Bolivia, one of the
> > poorest countries in the hemisphere, provides free education at all
> levels,
> > including university.
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> > Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work
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> > How does this square with a Bolivarian Revolution?
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/05/bolivia-child-labor_n_5559784.html
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And I had a sickening feeling that you, like a lot of Northern lefties,
simply wouldn't get it. Socialism now, right? Bolivia, show the world the
way, please... Substitute your dreams for reality.

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I had a sickening feeling that someone was actually going to rationalize
this!


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Richard Fidler via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> This issue also has to be analyzed in the context of many other programs
> and
> initiatives tending toward reducing the need for child and adolescent
> labour
> and promoting educational opportunities. For example, Bolivia, one of the
> poorest countries in the hemisphere, provides free education at all
levels,
> including university.
>
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> Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work
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> How does this square with a Bolivarian Revolution?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/05/bolivia-child-labor_n_5559784.html
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I had a sickening feeling that someone was actually going to rationalize
this!


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Richard Fidler via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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>
> This issue also has to be analyzed in the context of many other programs
> and
> initiatives tending toward reducing the need for child and adolescent
> labour
> and promoting educational opportunities. For example, Bolivia, one of the
> poorest countries in the hemisphere, provides free education at all levels,
> including university.
>
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> Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work
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> How does this square with a Bolivarian Revolution?
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/05/bolivia-child-labor_n_5559784.html
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Bolivia Passes Law To Allow 10-Year-Olds To Work

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Well, first of all the "Bolivarian Revolution" is a Venezuelan concept.
Bolivia is not as enamoured of Bolívar, who took a dim view of the country's
indigenous majority.

The original draft of the legislation would have banned child labour below
the age of 16, as I recall. But in Bolivia there are still many young
people, male and female, who are forced to work in the informal economy for
their survival. 

Some are well organized; an example is the shoeshine kids (lustrabotas) who
even have their own newspaper:
http://lustrahormigon.wix.com/hormigon-armado#!__site-copy1. They were among
the hundreds of kids who demonstrated at the legislature in December against
the age threshold in the legislation. The scandal was not the draft bill but
the police repression of their demonstration, which attracted a lot of
protest in various social sectors and the media.

The bill was then amended, on the recommendation of some of those same
social sectors (including peasant families), lowering the age of eligibility
for paid labour. Note the qualification: "as long as it does not interfere
with their education and is done independently to help the child's family
make ends meet."

This issue also has to be analyzed in the context of many other programs and
initiatives tending toward reducing the need for child and adolescent labour
and promoting educational opportunities. For example, Bolivia, one of the
poorest countries in the hemisphere, provides free education at all levels,
including university.

Richard


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How does this square with a Bolivarian Revolution?

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How does this square with a Bolivarian Revolution?

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