Re: [Marxism] Trump approval ratings down: MAGA turned on its head
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * John Reimann wrote If socialists were seriously following world developments and knew how to handle perspectives, they would be explaining the irreversible decline in the power of US capitalism. They would be explaining how only the working class, organized as an independent global force, can even start to prevent the global chaos that is developing. They would not be so paralyzed by fear of supporting liberals that they dismiss these developments. It doesn't mean socialists should support the liberal capitalist order; it simply means it is disappearing no matter what the capitalists do. This is good. I would add as well an understanding and articulation of how with the persistent drop in the rate of profit, the turn toward finance as the source of greater profitability and with financial power thereby strengthened in a debtor economy, and the accompanying decline in investment in the productive sectors of the US and triad economies, the movement of production by the transnational corporations away from the developed regions in search of greater profitability in the productive sector through cheaper labor and favorable infrastructural inducements in poorer regions, to the detriment of the triad countries' tax base among other things, how with these basic developments that decline in clout is not reaching critical mass - not yet - though inexorable and accelerating. I would add moreover the barriers to be overcome, in capital's partly conscious, partly fortuitous but necessarily historically temporary separation of the global working class by restricting labor mobility from poorer to more wealthy regions, and the ability of capital to sustain movable areas of cheap labor and a shifting global chain of production that in turn produce invidious distinctions, which obstruct militant labor organization across borders. Then there's all the permutations of environmental destruction. And we should return to a thorough analysis of the shift in corporate global organization and actions, taking precedence over continuously mapping the behavior of nation-states and their bureaucratic and governmental personifications. Without knowledge of the first, no sense can be made of the second, or of effective strategies for the left. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Trump approval ratings down: MAGA turned on its head
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I didn't comment on whether it was a gain or not. I simply reported on the change. However, I should have added this: If socialists were seriously following world developments and knew how to handle perspectives, they would be explaining the irreversible decline in the power of US capitalism. They would be explaining how only the working class, organized as an independent global force, can even start to prevent the global chaos that is developing. They would not be so paralyzed by fear of supporting liberals that they dismiss these developments. It doesn't mean socialists should support the liberal capitalist order; it simply means it is disappearing no matter what the capitalists do. Instead, all too many socialists simply dismiss the significance of the Trump/Putin meeting. "We don't care" they literally say. But that's not what those voters are saying. Unfortunately, these socialist sectarians have no means of influencing the thinking of those workers. John Reimann On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Dennis Brasky wrote: > So if white males and the ruling class want a "stronger" leader of > imperialism, that is not a gain for our side. > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:39 PM, John Reimann via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> >> Trump committed the unforgivable sin of appearing weak in Helsinki. It's >> causing his approval ratings to sink like a stone. >> https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/08/15/trump-approval-down- >> maga-turned-on-its-head/ >> >> >> > -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Trump approval ratings down: MAGA turned on its head
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING --- and of course, Democrats send JUST the wrong message by trying to turn Trump into a "traitor" So if white males and the ruling class want a "stronger" leader of imperialism, that is not a gain for our side. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Trump approval ratings down: MAGA turned on its head
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * So if white males and the ruling class want a "stronger" leader of imperialism, that is not a gain for our side. On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:39 PM, John Reimann via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > Trump committed the unforgivable sin of appearing weak in Helsinki. It's > causing his approval ratings to sink like a stone. > https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/08/15/trump-approval- > down-maga-turned-on-its-head/ > > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Trump approval ratings down: MAGA turned on its head
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Trump committed the unforgivable sin of appearing weak in Helsinki. It's causing his approval ratings to sink like a stone. https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/08/15/trump-approval-down-maga-turned-on-its-head/ -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
