[Marxism] re story circulating re Venezuela

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John Reimann said:

Re: "According to news accounts, Citgo, the Venezuelan oil company donated
$500,000.00 to the Trump inauguration fund.
It this story is true and if the bribe had led to loosening of sanctions
against Venezuela, we might have to accept that it was a good use of
Venezuelan money.
ken h"

This is like defending Chavez's support for the Iranian religious
dictatorship. No, no workers movement nor any real workers' leaders should
support Trump in any way. It is a fundamental violation of international
working class solidarity.

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Ken Hiebert replies:

Starting with Iran
Venezuela has every right to enter into commercial and diplomatic relations 
with Iran.
But to the extent that they are lending political support to that government, 
they are making a mistake.
If their commercial and diplomatic relations mean that the PSUV cannot tell 
their supporters the truth about the political character of the Iranian regime 
and the struggles inside Iran, they will pay a price in the long term.  It 
would be a shame if Venezuelans came to rely on other sources for information 
about Iran.

Trump
Paying a bribe to Trump is not the same as lending political support.
Very few people would conclude that the Venezuelan government has a favourable 
view of Trump and his government.

If the payment of a bribe did have the effect of easing sanctions on Venezuela, 
I would be willing to support it.
So far, it does not seem to have had that effect.  It looks like half a million 
dollars wasted.

Such a desperate measure suggests that the Venezuelan government has little 
confidence in the effectiveness of international solidarity.
In the short term, maybe they are right.
But if instead of spending $500,000.00 on a bribe, they had spent $50,000.00 on 
bringing potential solidarity activists to Venezuela, I think they would have 
achieved more.  Aside from building solidarity it could have the effect of 
strengthening the left internationally.
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[Marxism] re story circulating re Venezuela

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Re: "According to news accounts, Citgo, the Venezuelan oil company donated
$500,000.00 to the Trump inauguration fund.
It this story is true and if the bribe had led to loosening of sanctions
against Venezuela, we might have to accept that it was a good use of
Venezuelan money.
ken h"

This is like defending Chavez's support for the Iranian religious
dictatorship. No, no workers movement nor any real workers' leaders should
support Trump in any way. It is a fundamental violation of international
working class solidarity.

John Reimann

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Re: [Marxism] re Story circulating re Venezuela

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Yes, my understanding is that by Venezuelan standards and in contrast to 
the advance publicity, the 'mother of all marches' fizzled (except in 
the external media)./m


On 4/21/2017 3:59 PM, Gary MacLennan wrote:
Did the Day of the Right just simply fizzle out?  Workers armed is 
something of a disincentive I suspect 😄


comradely

Gary

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Ken H wrote:

According to news accounts, Citgo, the Venezuelan oil company
donated $500,000.00 to the Trump inauguration fund.
It this story is true and if the bribe had led to loosening of
sanctions against Venezuela, we might have to accept that it was a
good use of Venezuelan money.
ken h
--
--No question about the accuracy of that citgo donation but the
story gets a bit murkier with the report of an additional 2/3s of
a million donated by a well-connected figure [Habboush] and the
subsequent access to the Trump government for talking about
dropping sanctions on Vzla:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/excess-trump-inauguration-cash-pairs-with-


donor-access-926017091769.

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Re: [Marxism] re Story circulating re Venezuela

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Did the Day of the Right just simply fizzle out?  Workers armed is
something of a disincentive I suspect 😄

comradely

Gary

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> Ken H wrote:
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> According to news accounts, Citgo, the Venezuelan oil company donated
> $500,000.00 to the Trump inauguration fund.
> It this story is true and if the bribe had led to loosening of sanctions
> against Venezuela, we might have to accept that it was a good use of
> Venezuelan money.
> ken h
> --
> --No question about the accuracy of that citgo donation but the story gets
> a bit murkier with the report of an additional 2/3s of a million donated by
> a well-connected figure [Habboush] and the subsequent access to the Trump
> government for talking about dropping sanctions on Vzla:
> http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/excess-trump-inaugu
> ration-cash-pairs-with- donor-access-926017091769.
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Ken H wrote:

According to news accounts, Citgo, the Venezuelan oil company donated 
$500,000.00 to the Trump inauguration fund.
It this story is true and if the bribe had led to loosening of sanctions 
against Venezuela, we might have to accept that it was a good use of 
Venezuelan money.

ken h
--
--No question about the accuracy of that citgo donation but the story 
gets a bit murkier with the report of an additional 2/3s of a million 
donated by a well-connected figure [Habboush] and the subsequent access 
to the Trump government for talking about dropping sanctions on Vzla: 
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/excess-trump-inauguration-cash-pairs-with- 
donor-access-926017091769.


 
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