Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Nation’s man in Tehran: Who is Robert Dreyfuss? - World Socialist Web Site

2014-07-04 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 7/4/14 11:37 AM, Joseph Catron wrote:

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Louis Proyect mailto:l...@panix.com>> wrote:

Actually, Larouche used to meet with highly placed officials of the
Reagan administration to finger anti-nuclear activists.


Really? Not doubting your word, but was he ... saner, then?



Comrades have to remember to include the list address when they are 
replying, just as I did now.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/larouche/larou1.htm

Some Officials Find Intelligence Network 'Useful'
By John Mintz

Washington Post Staff Writer
January 15, 1985

Norman Bailey recalls that soon after he joined the National Security 
Council, he received a call from NSC officials asking him to talk to a 
group of followers of right-wing presidential candidate Lyndon H. 
LaRouche Jr. who were offering intelligence information to the agency.


Bailey, then NSC's senior director of international economic affairs, 
said he found the visitors' intelligence on economics and foreign 
affairs surprisingly on target.


He said he met with LaRouche's followers numerous times in 1982 and 1983 
in his Executive Office Building office, and three times with LaRouche 
himself -- including once for dinner at LaRouche's rented Loudoun County 
estate. Bailey said he circulated within NSC a well-researched position 
paper that two LaRouche followers wrote about fusion energy.


"Some of them are quite good," Bailey said of LaRouche's associates. He 
said that he found them to be "useful" because of their "excellent" 
international contacts.


"They can operate more freely and openly than official agencies" such as 
the CIA, Bailey said. "They do know a lot of people around the world. 
They do get to talk to prime ministers and presidents." Bailey also has 
described LaRouche's organization as "one of the best private 
intelligence services in the world."


It's a view shared by others in powerful places in Washington.

Through dogged work, the LaRouche organization has assembled a worldwide 
network of contacts in governments and in military agencies who meet 
regularly and swap information with them, officials and former members said.


In Washington, the LaRouche group has spent the last several years 
currying favor with officials of the NSC, CIA, Defense Intelligence 
Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, the military and numerous other 
agencies, as well as with defense scientists doing classified research, 
according to federal officials and ex-members of the LaRouche group.


"They've made a very concerted effort to influence the government," said 
Richard Morris, counselor to Interior Secretary William Clark and 
formerly Clark's assistant when he was NSC chief. "Their influence never 
went beyond the mid-level. There's no way they could influence the 
president."


"They obviously want to impress, with their knowledge, people who are in 
the know in Washington," said Ray S. Cline, a former top State 
Department and CIA intelligence official who said he was approached by 
LaRouche associates in 1980 and has spoken with them a number of times 
since. "They're terribly eager to find somebody" in government to talk to.


The LaRouche group stepped up its presence in Washington about 1981, 
when President Reagan took office, and it has publicly promoted many of 
his initiatives in its publications and on Capitol Hill.


Contacts With NSC, CIA
An NBC documentary in March disclosed the LaRouche group's contacts with 
NSC and CIA officials, and in November The New Republic magazine 
published an article by reporters Dennis King and Ronald Radosh that 
detailed LaRouche's Washington connections. King has reported on 
LaRouche's group for six years and has broken many stories about it.


In Reagan's first term, Executive Intelligence Review, a LaRouche-tied 
magazine, ran interviews with such officials as Agriculture Secretary 
John Block, Defense Undersecretary Richard DeLauer, Associate Attorney 
General Lowell Jensen, Commerce Undersecretary Lionel Olmer and 
then-Sen. John Tower (R-Texas), at the time chairman of the Senate Armed 
Services Committee, The New Republic reported.


High-level Reagan administration officials "have found LaRouche as 
useful in supplying information and promoting their policies as LaRouche 
has found them in legitimizing his cause," The New Republic said.


LaRouche associates also have been active for years in West Germany, 
France, Italy, Mexico, Argentina, India, Thailand and many other 
countries, according to LaRouche-tied publications, ex-LaRouche 
associates and former government officials. The group has had dealings 
with a number of foreign government and military officials, according to 
these sources.


LaRouche himself has had pr

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Nation’s man in Tehran: Who is Robert Dreyfuss? - World Socialist Web Site

2014-07-04 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 7/4/14 11:20 AM, Joseph Catron wrote:

"'The LaRouchites traded information with intelligence agencies in the
United States' as well as in other countries"


Actually, Larouche used to meet with highly placed officials of the 
Reagan administration to finger anti-nuclear activists.



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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Nation’s man in Tehran: Who is Robert Dreyfuss? - World Socialist Web Site

2014-07-04 Thread Joseph Catron via Marxism
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I don't know much about this guy, but from what I've seen posted to the
list, he seems to have maintained a certain conspiratorial mindset from his
days as a LaRouchite.

But it seems like the WSWS' principle source, Political Research
Associates, might have picked one up somewhere too. "'The LaRouchites
traded information with intelligence agencies in the United States' as well
as in other countries"? How the hell would that work? They'd give the CIA
some crackpot dossier on Queen Elizabeth II running the heroin markets or
whatnot, and in return the CIA would give them - what, exactly? How do you
even theoretically "trade information" with an outfit like that? Have
office contests to concoct more outrageous, loopier ideas to give them?

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Nation’s man in Tehran: Who is Robert Dreyfuss? - World Socialist Web Site

2014-07-04 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 7/4/14 10:47 AM, Shane Mage wrote:


On Jul 4, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

 eye-opening:


Robert Dreyfuss...has parroted the unverified charge of a stolen
election [for] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...


are you suggesting any doubt as to the fraudulence of Ahmedi-Nejad's
"election" in 2009?



In my view the votes probably reflected a preference for Ahmadinejad but 
that had to be understood in terms of the constraints put on the 
opposition. Fraud did occur but in the final analysis it was control 
over the TV, newspapers and Internet that paved the way for 
Ahmadinejad's victory.


My main interest in the Dreyfuss article was his grotesque 
characterization of the Shah not being tough enough.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Nation’s man in Tehran: Who is Robert Dreyfuss? - World Socialist Web Site

2014-07-04 Thread Shane Mage via Marxism

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On Jul 4, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

 eye-opening:


Robert Dreyfuss...has parroted the unverified charge of a stolen  
election [for] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...


are you suggesting any doubt as to the fraudulence of Ahmedi-Nejad's  
"election" in 2009?





Shane Mage

"L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce  
qu'on a apporté."


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