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Whoops..!
Yes - Many thanks Michael. (I must proof-check more... and wake up!).
Thanks sincerely, Hari

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>> I have had a lot of trouble getting out two particular articles, and
>> I wonder if anyone has an easy access to them? Indeed, I would be very
>> grateful if possible - for these two. Thank you for considering. They are:
>>   1) Christopher Hill as being: "State and Revolution in
>> Tudor and Stuart England," in Communist Review, July 1948, p. 212
>>
>> 2) Rodney H. Hilton Mode Quarterly 1947; Vol 2 No 3 pp 267-8 in especial,
>> but I think his article must be longer than just those 2 pages I found the
>> reference for.
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>> Cheers Hari Kumar
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> That's MODERN QUARTERLY right Hari?
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Re: [Marxism] Request for Source assistance

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> Dear Friends & Member so of List:
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> I have had a lot of trouble getting out two particular articles, and
> I wonder if anyone has an easy access to them? Indeed, I would be very
> grateful if possible - for these two. Thank you for considering. They are:
>   1) Christopher Hill as being: "State and Revolution in
> Tudor and Stuart England," in Communist Review, July 1948, p. 212
>
> 2) Rodney H. Hilton Mode Quarterly 1947; Vol 2 No 3 pp 267-8 in especial,
> but I think his article must be longer than just those 2 pages I found the
> reference for.
>
> Cheers Hari Kumar
>

That's MODERN QUARTERLY right Hari?
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Re: [Marxism] request for signatures for letter to Code Pink

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I think Rebecca Gould did not seriously read the letter. It is very clear.
It says: "As socialists, and as supporters of the international working
class, we, of course oppose any aggression – economic, political or
military – by US capitalism against Iran or any other country." It refers
to the US government as being "repressive and aggressive". It says: "Any
agreement reached between the US and Iranian governments will simply be an
agreement for how to “peacefully” loot, plunder and repress the peoples of
the world as well as the global environment." How could Trump - or the
liberal representatives of US imperialism for that matter - possibly be
happy with those comments?

In fact, in supporting all the protests in Iran - the strikes, the women
protests, the protests of various specially oppressed groups - it clearly
differs from the position of US imperialism, which has never really
supported such protests. They never did in Syria, for example!

Let's be concrete: What will be the practical effect of this Code Pink
visit? The Iranian regime will use it to trumpet that they are supported by
the "people" of the US. This will strengthen their position domestically.
In the US this visit will be followed by a round of "reports" from Code
Pink. In those reports, they will report back on the excellent and friendly
discussions they had with various officials, students, etc. To the extent
that they have any comments on the protests there they will pretend that
this shows there are (bourgeois) democratic norms there. Their role will be
to strengthen all the worst tendencies of the alt left/"peace" movement
here - the same movement that supports Assad and Putin... and also Rouhani.

John Reimann

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Re: [Marxism] request for signatures for letter to Code Pink

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As someone who has spent significant time in Iran over the past few years,
who has written  about my
research

there, and who maintains contact with many leftist colleagues in Iran, I
want to offer a different perspective to the one contained in this letter.
I don't dispute any factual claim made in the letter and have no wish to
trivialise those documented abuses. It is right that they should be
denounced and that we protest them. But, together with my Iranian
colleagues, I fully support 'legitimizising' the regime as much as
possible. I am struck by how welcome this letter would be to the current US
administration because it perfectly supports their agenda with regard to
Iran: violent regime overthrow, and starvation of the Iranian people until
that happens. This would inflict much greater harm on the Iranian people
than the normalisation of its current authoritarian system.

Iranians today are excluded from the global economy. They cannot access
basic technology. They cannot travel freely. Most importantly, their
currency has entered a free fall

due to US sanctions which dramatically increases their economic insecurity.
All of this is being done by the US, and often under the cover of the same
reasons given in this letter.

During my many trips to Iran (2012-6), what most impressed me was the
strong mobilisation among the youth for democratic change. The voter
turnout in the last Iranian Presidential elections was higher than in any
Western democracy. Women constantly violate and challenge the hijab
restrictions, and, yes, sometimes they are punished, but often they are
not. The latest Iranian elections were conducted more openly than the
recent US elections and the reformist candidate won by running on a
platform of decriminalising the refusal to wear hijab and promoting civil
liberties for all. Afghan migrants are brutally mistreated, but (in
contrast to US treatment of its migrants) they can also access free
university educations. There is a strong movement for reform within Iran
and many progressives are active in politics. That they are being silenced
and overpowered by hardliners due to US sanctions is the biggest tragedy of
all, and a threat to peace in the Middle East. I very much hope US leftists
and socialists will oppose the US agenda.

Finally, my understanding of the Haft Tapeh strike is that the workers are
seeking economic justice, as do workers everywhere. This is great, but
hardly a reason to refuse contact with the Iranian regime, or to support
its overthrow.

In geopolitical terms, the only alternatives are normalisation of the
Iranian regime or its violent overthrow by the US. We can speculate about
other long-term goals (such as a true democracy and a socialist government)
but there is no other geopolitical option at present. I therefore strongly
support normalisation, and hope others will do the same, whether through
campaigning against the US agenda, reading and watching work

by Iranians (in Iran) or travelling to Iran (with this delegation or
separately).

Best wishes,
Rebecca Gould

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Professor, Islamic World & Comparative Literature

College of Arts & Law | University of Birmingham

Author, Writers and Rebels

(Yale
UP, 2016)

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Re: [Marxism] Request re ACW, ante-bellum South etc

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Bound labor has always been a feature of capitalism (and wage labor was
always a feature of the Southern system).

Horne grossly overstates the point on the American Revolution, inverting
the position that almost every Marxist writer from Marx on ever took on the
American Revolution.  There was no unified strategy in 1776 beyond
independence.

Nor was the Republican Party a unified force.  Nor was the Lincoln
administration consistent in its positions until near the very end.
Next time you're at the library, please check out my recent book on _Free
Labor: the Civil War and the Making of the American Working Class_
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/83qmn2rk9780252039331.html
It argues that the failure of Reconstruction includes the failure to
reconstruct a workers movement that included the general strike activities
that actually ended slavery.

ML
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Re: [Marxism] Request re ACW, ante-bellum South etc

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You might find this helpful:

Herbert Aptheker gives a talk called "The Civil War - A Marxist 
Interpretation," which is about the origins and nature of the U.S. Civil War. 
1963

MP3 Audio (62.81 MB, 44 min. 42 sec., progressive download) 

http://www.go.carleton.edu/campus/archives/media/?item_id=421307

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Re: [Marxism] Request re ACW, ante-bellum South etc

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I think that is a problematic position. In my perspective, capitalism as a
system is globalization of trade, the creation of trans-Atlantic
multi-national monopoly. And that goes back to one thing, the slave trade.
Before that there were market relations between various ports of call going
back centuries, obviously. But the Triangle Trade was the engine that drove
the creation of a globalized market that went way beyond anything that
existed before that and went into the realm of capital as opposed to cash.
Admittedly my view is Afro-centric as opposed to Euro-centric, mostly
because I believe that the scramble for resources has always been based
around Africa rather than Europe, but I think current events in the news
demonstrate Africa is still the center of world trading efforts, hence the
contention between China and Russia on the one hand and the US on the other.

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Louis Proyect  wrote:

> On 5/18/16 6:15 PM, Andrew Stewart wrote:
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>> I have no clue what you mean by "political Marxism".
>>
>
> This is the term used to describe Robert Brenner's theory about the
> origins of capitalism in the British countryside in the 16th century as a
> contingent event that produced large scale farms through the enclosure
> acts, etc. It attracted a number of acolytes including Charles Post who
> interpreted it to mean that slavery in the USA was precapitalist since
> according to Brenner you can't have capitalism without "free" wage labor.
>



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On 5/18/16 6:15 PM, Andrew Stewart wrote:

I have no clue what you mean by "political Marxism".


This is the term used to describe Robert Brenner's theory about the 
origins of capitalism in the British countryside in the 16th century as 
a contingent event that produced large scale farms through the enclosure 
acts, etc. It attracted a number of acolytes including Charles Post who 
interpreted it to mean that slavery in the USA was precapitalist since 
according to Brenner you can't have capitalism without "free" wage labor.

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Re: [Marxism] Request re ACW, ante-bellum South etc

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I have no clue what you mean by "political Marxism". The contours of the
historical discourse at this point have been pretty well-defined by Gerald
Horne's work and his excellent COUNTERREVOLUTION OF 1776, which argues that
the American Revolution was a war for the preservation of the American
slavery-based capitalist system. By this point the contention about whether
the American colonial economy was capitalist has become a moot point, it is
now whether the events of 1776 were fought by American capitalists in their
revolutionary role described by Marx and Engels in the Communist Manifesto
or if the British were in reality fulfilling this role.

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Louis Proyect  wrote:

> My stuff on this is fairly narrowly focused on refuting the application of
> Political Marxism to slavery but it does refer to a lot of useful
> background material, including the close ties between the NYC bourgeoisie
> and the slaveocracy. It is all here:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/origins.htm
>
> Under the heading "Capitalism, slavery and the Brenner thesis".
>



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My stuff on this is fairly narrowly focused on refuting the application 
of Political Marxism to slavery but it does refer to a lot of useful 
background material, including the close ties between the NYC 
bourgeoisie and the slaveocracy. It is all here:


http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/origins.htm

Under the heading "Capitalism, slavery and the Brenner thesis".
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I have done extensive work on this topic.

First, in terms of slavery, you need to understand it was NOTHING like
pre-modern slavery in terms of brutality or even length, pre-modern slaves
were really closer to indentured servants, taken as prisoners of war, who
would be freed after a period of time. We had a whole abolition movement
over this difference.

Economically, slavery was not going to die out, it was reinvigorated and
turned into a major economic engine for the agricultural sector of the
entire US by Eli Whitney's cotton gin.

Culturally, the white supremacist power structure was unable to conceive of
anything but slavery as a normalized part of life.

Last year Jacobin Magazine published a very good issue commemorating the
abolition of slavery, their Issue 18 (https://www.jacobinmag.com/storeissues)
that was surprisingly good. I have a lot of issues with that publication
for all kinds of reasons but they did a good job here.

Another useful tool is the first episode of Ken Burns's CIVIL WAR
miniseries, though the rest of the series is pretty spotty in terms of his
fetish for Shelby Foote.

Finally, consider for your own uses checking out the journalism by Marx and
Engels that they did on this topic, they wrote a good deal. There was a big
fuss some time ago from Lawrence and Wishart, the CPGB publisher, about the
Marxist internet archive having all the material up but you can get around
this by using the Wayback Machine and going to this link (
https://web.archive.org/web/20130614233905/http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1861/us-civil-war
).

The Foners, Du Bois, and Lerone Bennett Jr have some great material worth
checking out also.


Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:37:12 +1200
From: John Edmundson 
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Subject: [Marxism] Request re ACW, ante-bellum South etc
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Hi,
I'm teaching a bunch of 16-18 year old history students and we're looking
at the causes and consequences of the American Civil War.

We have started looking at the nature of the Southern States pre-war and
the nature of US chattel slavery. They need to understand issues like the
idea that if the Union had not pressured the South (over things like
Lincoln's plan to not expand slavery into new states), slavery might have
died out anyway. At this stage I have suggested to them that chattel
slavery was more robust and flexible than pre-modern slavery (eg slave
owners could hire out their slaves to the railway building companies etc)
and that therefor the institution could conceivably have survived a lot
longer. I pointed out to them that slave owners could choose to make more
"conventional" investment choices but chose to reinvest in slaves and
cotton lands as a means of achieving a return - that "unfree" slave labour
is different from "unfree" peasant labour in that it can be sold to another
slaver where a peasant is bound to the land. I've suggested that in many
ways US slavery was a distorted version of capitalism rather than a whole
different pre-modern economic system.

However I feel a bit out of my depth here and have been improvising a bit.
I wonder if anyone could point me to some accessible online resources on
this question (and the Civil War issue itself) that I could use.

Obviously when we come to the consequences, I'll be looking at
reconstruction, the enduring legacy (Jim Crow etc), ongoing loyalty to the
Southern flag with all that that suggests, popular culture (music etc). I
know there are lots of US people on this list and y'all know about this
stuff . . .

Thanks in anticipation,
John

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> I'm trying to get hold of Anwar Sheikh's 'The First Great Depression of the 
> 21st Century', Socialist Register 2011, pp. 44-63, but I can't seem to find 
> it other than behind a pay wall. If there's anyone kind enough to oblige I'd 
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On 11/25/14 10:35 AM, Ed George via Marxism wrote


I'm trying to get hold of Anwar Sheikh's 'The First Great Depression of
the 21st Century', Socialist Register 2011, pp. 44-63, but I can't seem
to find it other than behind a pay wall. If there's anyone kind enough
to oblige I'd be eternally grateful ...


http://readingmarx.wordpress.com/


I just sent Ed a copy of the article.

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On 10/4/14 3:12 AM, RKOB via Marxism wrote:


Hi,

does someone have this article and could send it to me?

Paul /Kellogg/: /Substitutionism versus Self-emancipation/: The Theory
of the Offensive, the Russo-Polish War of 1920 and the German March
Action of 1921

Thanks in advance!



It can be downloaded from 
https://www.academia.edu/3449186/Substitutionism_versus_Self-emancipation_The_Theory_of_the_Offensive_the_Russo-Polish_War_of_1920_and_the_German_March_Action_of_1921


The link wasn't working the other day but it is okay now.

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