Re: [Marxism] A 3rd Intifada?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == What is this? Quid pro quo? Twenty questions? Hangman with a real hangman? Try these: Which country expropriated the property of original residents and forced them to either flee or accept immediate poverty? Which country practices collective punishment against another people? Which country blockades another people and interdicts medical and food supplies? Which country deliberately targeted hospitals during its military campaign of December 2008? Which country utilized white phosphorous against a civilian population? Which country organized and facilitated the massacre of refugees in camps in Lebanon? Forget all those questions, and forget all your questions. Answer only one question: Who's the oppressor and who's the oppressed? - Original Message - From: Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Human Rights Watch news release on Hamas
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == 31 people killed ... it is good to know Human Rights Watch have an appropriate sense of perspective. Those killed for allegedly collaborating with an extremely powerful enemy raining down hellfire and massacring more than 1400 civilians, a third of them children are more important than the 1400 civilians killed by the state terror No doubt much can be found to criticise of how Hamas run Gaza — but there can be no real democracy without an end to Israeli oppression. There can be no real democracyl in a time of war - actually misnamed, because a war implies two sides fighting. This was a murderous, onesided assault - and democracy and human rights are empty words in the face of such an onslaught. There can be no democracy under these conditions - how can there be? There can be no freedom of speech and association for those who collaborate with such state terror - there never has been in any nation on earth under those conditions. That doesn't mean it is right to carry out extrajudicial killings and torture against those suspected of it - but if such actions occurred ( and the HRW is not a neutral body) then the key piece of context for it is the Israeli assault and the only way such events can be dealt with and overcome by the Palestinians themselves is for this state terror to end - including the siege. Stuart Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Human Rights Watch news release on Hamas
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mil, You are recycling propaganda here in a way which would invite a flame war. I will not participate in any such activity, but your posts are provocative in the extreme and do call for some response. To begin with I do not defend the killing of anyone, but the activities of Hamas cannot be understood in isolation. You mentioned the summary execution of 18 men. Again I support no summary executions at all - none as in not a single one. But I understand the context includes the assassination of Hamas leaders and militants with the active support of the Dahlan gangs. Who do you think supplies the intelligence that the Israeli Army and Mossad use? Of course there is also the context of the Israeli assault on Gaza which began with the slaughter of the police officers on parade. We were assured that these were Hamas "militants" and so that justified their summary murder. Its possible most of them might have been anti-gay as well. Does that mean they should have been bombed to bits like they were? I also know something of the history of Gaza when Dahlan ruled it and how he slaughtered his enemies. Of course the most important perpetrator of summary executions is Israel which you seek to portray as a Gay friendly paradise. As if that line is not being used to defend the most brutal colonial project of the modern era. We have had feminists for imperialism where the war in Afghanistan was supposed to liberate women from the burqa. Now I guess we have gays for imperialism who ask that we support Israel or at least moderate our rage because there are no anti-sodomy laws in the Zionist entity. Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Palestine names street after Rachel Corrie
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/88064 Palestine names street after murdered activist Wednesday 17 March 2010 Ramallah residents have named a street after an activist who was crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer in 2003 while protesting against Tel Aviv's demolition of Palestinian homes in Gaza. Family, friends and supporters including students from a local secondary school participated in the dedication ceremony on Tuesday - the seventh anniversary of Rachel Corrie's death. Ms Corrie's mother Cindy, who is visiting Israel and the Occupied Territories to take part in a wrongful death lawsuit against the Israeli government, thanked the Palestinian people for continuing to provide her family with unfailing support. Addressing a crowd of about 50 Palestinians, including the mayor of Ramallah, Ms Corrie said: "I just wanted you to know that you do not stand alone - people are stepping up, we will not be silent." The coming weeks also mark the seventh anniversaries of the killing of British activist Thomas Hurndall, who was shot in the head while shielding children from Israeli sniper fire in Rafah and died in hospital nine months later, and the shooting of US citizen Brian Avery in Jenin, who survived. Last weekend was the first anniversary of the shooting of US citizen Tristan Anderson, who was hit in the head by a high-velocity tear gas canister fired by Israeli soldiers in Nilin. Mr Anderson is still recovering in an Israeli hospital. Elsewhere, Israel has lifted a five-day closure that it imposed on the West Bank following the Interior Ministry's approval of new housing for Jewish settlers in occupied east Jerusalem. On Tuesday police and soldiers used stun grenades, tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse hundreds of stone-hurling youths in the city, wounding scores of Palestinians. Ten police officers sustained minor injuries. “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The reality behind "Inglourious Basterds"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == "Operation Sunrise" is also the background plot for the 1970s Soviet miniseries "Seventeen Moments of Spring," starring the great Vyacheslav Tikhonov (who died this past December) as a Soviet spy deeply embedded in the SS high command under the name Max von Stirlitz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring Here is a clip with one of the most famous scenes in the film. Stirlitz's controllers bring his wife (whom he apparently hasn't seen for many years) to a Berlin cafe. In order to avoid blowing his cover, the couple just gaze at each other from across the room for a few minutes before Stirlitz's wife is led away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ghMgTkVpJI&NR=1 You don't need to understand Russian to watch this scene (because there is no dialogue), but as far as I know "Seventeen Moments" has never been released with English subtitles. Which is too bad because the film is a weird kind of masterpiece. Probably a third of the "action" consists of Stirlitz silently contemplating his next move (although a voiceover narrator lets the viewer know what he's thinking). Another odd aspect of the film is that the all-star cast plays their roles with such relish that most of these high-ranking Nazis come across as somewhat likable, especially Stirlitz's nemesis Mueller (as portrayed by the equally great actor Leonid Bronevoi). A minor controversy erupted last year when a colorized version of the film was shown on Russian TV. Per our conversation here, thanks to "Seventeen Movements" everyone in the former Soviet Union knows who Allen Dulles was and what "Operation Sunrise" was about. Would that the same were true in the US. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Human Rights Watch news release on Hamas
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == from mil HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH Gaza: Hamas Should End Killings, Torture Related Materials: Internal Fight Under Cover of War “During Israel’s attack on Gaza, Hamas moved violently against its political opponents and those deemed collaborators with Israeli forces. The unlawful arrests, torture, and killings in detention continued even after the fighting stopped, mocking Hamas’s claims to uphold the law.” Joe Stork, deputy director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa division At Least 32 Palestinians Killed During and After Israeli Offensive April 20, 2009 (Gaza City) - Hamas should end its attacks on political opponents and suspected collaborators in Gaza, which have killed at least 32 Palestinians and maimed several dozen more during and since the recent Israeli military offensive, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Human Rights Watch called on Hamas authorities in Gaza to hold those responsible accountable. The 26-page report, "Under Cover of War: Hamas Political Violence in Gaza," documents a pattern since late December 2008 of arbitrary arrests and detentions, torture, maimings by shooting, and extrajudicial executions by alleged members of Hamas security forces. The report is based on interviews with victims and witnesses in Gaza and case reports by Palestinian human rights groups. The spate of attacks began during Israel's military operation, from December 27, 2008, to January 18, 2009, including the summary execution of 18 men in Gaza, most of them suspected collaborators with Israel.It has continued in the three months since, with 14 more killings, at least four of them of people in detention. "During Israel's attack on Gaza, Hamas moved violently against its political opponents and those deemed collaborators with Israeli forces," said Joe Stork, deputy director of Human Rights Watch's Middle East and North Africa division. "The unlawful arrests, torture, and killings in detention continued even after the fighting stopped, mocking Hamas's claims to uphold the law." Internal political violence in Gaza and the West Bank is not new. Over the past three years, Hamas and its chief rival, Fatah, which controls the West Bank, have carried out arbitrary arrests of each other's supporters and subjected detainees to torture and ill-treatment. The violations in Gaza have lessened in April, Human Rights Watch said, but Hamas authorities are still failing to address seriously the crimes by security forces during and after the Israeli attacks. Hassan al-Seifi, general inspector in Gaza's Interior Ministry, told Human Rights Watch on April 16 that a committee he heads had completed investigations into two deaths in detention. In both cases, the Hamas authorities acted on the committee's recommendations, he said, suspending from duty and filing charges against the police officers involved. In two other cases, the committee is continuing its investigations. Interviewed on April 15 and 16, a Hamas spokesman, Fawzi Barhoum, and the Gaza Interior Ministry spokesman, Ihab al-Ghusein, told Human Rights Watch that Hamas had explicitly forbidden excessive force by security forces after Israel's military operation. But they said that Hamas forces could not have prevented the killings and shootings by Palestinians during the Israeli attacks due to the chaos of the fighting. The systematic nature of many of the executions and attacks, and the fact that killings have continued after the Israeli offensive,undercut these assertions, Human Rights Watch said. "Gazan police were among those targeted by Israeli forces, sometimes apparently unlawfully, but this does not justify Hamas's apparent use of summary execution," Stork said. "The attacks and killings also continued after the Israeli military operation had stopped. Human Rights Watch urged the Hamas authorities to prosecute vigorously any security force member found to have violated the law. "Four investigations into 32 deaths are not enough," Stork said. Most of the 18 Palestinians executed during Israel's military operations were men accused of collaboration with Israel, Human Rights Watch said. Along with others, they had escaped from Gaza's main prison after Israeli aircraft bombed parts of the facility on December 28. Gunmen believed to be from Hamas then tracked down and shot the men. During the Israeli operations, Hamas security forces also physically attacked known Fatah members, especially those who had worked in the Fatah-run security services of the Palestinian Authority prior to June 2007.The widespread practice of maiming people by shooting them in the legs is of particular concern. According to the Independent Commission for Human Rights(ICHR), the hum
[Marxism] "Palestinian Gay Runaways Survive on Israeli Streets
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Israeli LGBT groups try to help them. I criticize the Israeli government too, for not immediately granting them asylum, for sending them back to Palestine, and for sometimes forcing them to collaborate. MIL Palestinian Gay Runaways Survive on Israeli Streets Reuters, September 17, 2003 By Dan Williams TEL AVIV—At the bath houses of Tel Aviv, “Rani” finds anonymity and sometimes a free buffet. And there is always the chance of meeting an Israeli or a rich tourist who will offer his hotel room for a few nights, no questions asked. For gay Palestinian runaways such as Rani, life on the street in Israel is a daily calculation of how to survive, but it is still easier than the persecution they say they suffered in the more traditional communities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. “Anwar”—who like other Palestinian homosexuals interviewed by Reuters goes by an assumed name—fled the West Bank after his brothers and father suspected he was gay and beat him senseless. Rani said he was tortured by Palestinian police who wanted him to spy on other homosexuals—a charge authorities at his Gaza hometown denied. He escaped on a work visa to Israel before a Palestinian uprising for statehood erupted three years ago. Rights activists estimate that 300 mostly male gay Palestinians are quietly eking out a living in Israel, at risk of being forcibly repatriated because they are illegal immigrants or because police consider them a threat. “The first danger to them is from family and community, as well as (Palestinian) authorities,” said Donatella Rovera of Amnesty International. “Going to Israel is a one-way ticket, and once there their biggest problem is possibly being sent back.” Palestinian runaways learn Hebrew quickly, playing down their Arab accents. Hospitals are avoided, and cash put aside for private health care. Those who turn to prostitution learn to spot plainclothes police from a distance. Fearing that word of their whereabouts might reach vengeful relatives back home, they avoid contact with one another. “In my dreams I see my relatives, wearing masks, coming to kidnap and kill me,” said 22-year-old Rani, wearing a goatee, fake military dog-tags and a Star of David medallion—the trappings of Israeli urban youth. According to Shaul Gonen of Aguda, Israel’s main homosexual rights lobby, at least three Palestinian runaways have disappeared this way, punished for violating “family honor.” Nature Versus Nation Sodomy carries a three- to 10-year jail term in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Palestinian legal experts say enforcement is at the discretion of local authorities and usually requires that the accused be caught in the act. Islam denounces homosexuality as a sin, and many Palestinians deny it exists in their midst. Israel, which decriminalized sodomy in 1987, is considered among the more liberal of societies when it comes to gay rights. “Palestinian society is very conservative and there is a very, very, very small and secretive community of these people,” said Hassan Khreisheh, who heads the human rights monitoring committee in the Palestinian Legislative Council, or parliament. He dismissed the runaways living in Israel as “collaborators guilty of various crimes, including homosexuality.” Palestinian gays are regularly accused by compatriots of being part of Israel’s vast network of informers. Asked to verify Anwar’s account of his expulsion from home, a Palestinian security source said that not only Anwar, but also his father and brothers were viewed as “prostitutes and spies.” “In the Arab mindset, a person who has committed a moral offense is often assumed to be guilty of others, and it radiates out to the family and community,” said Bassam Eid, director of Palestinian Human Rights Watch. “As homosexuality is seen as a crime against nature, it is not hard to link it to collaboration—a crime against nation,” Eid added, lamenting what he called a “total lack” of support networks for gays in the West Bank and Gaza. Eid and Gonen said they knew of several Palestinian gays who had worked for Israeli intelligence in exchange for money or administrative favors including the right to live in Israel. One former Israeli handler of collaborators disputed this. “Gays are already treated with suspicion in Palestinian society,” said Menachem Landau, a veteran of Israel’s Shin Bet intelligence agency. “So what good are they for covert work?” Pressure goes the other way too. “Ali,” a 19-year-old from the West Bank, said he went into hiding in Tel Aviv after Palestinian militants ordered him to carry out a suicide bombing and “purge his guilt” for being gay. Rani said he knew of three similar cases. “But they refused. We don’t want to kill, just to live—in Israel or wh
Re: [Marxism] A 3rd Intifada?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Bolding didn't last when I hit the send button so here's one of the passages I wanted to bold: "A 17-year-old gay youth recalled that he spent months in a Palestinian Authority prison "where interrogators cut him with glass and poured toilet cleaner into his wounds." " I've added some bolding of selected passages. -- MIL Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A 3rd Intifada?
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Have a look at this, Shawn: and no, this does not mean that I approved of Ariel
Sharon's policies in the West Bank and Gaza. I did NOT. But I also don't
approve of making things simple and double standards when it comes to human
rights abuses. I've added some bolding of selected passages. -- MIL
Israel, Palestine, and Gays
by Paul Varnell
Originally appeared August 28, 2002, in the Chicago Free Press.
LET'S TAKE A QUIZ. No peeking at the answers directly below.
1. Which Middle Eastern country has no sodomy laws nor uses vague charges such
as "offenses against religion" or "immoral conduct" to prosecute and imprison
gays and lesbians?
2. Which Middle Eastern country has a variety of gay organizations which safely
conduct gay advocacy efforts?
3. Which Middle Eastern country has a gay and lesbian community center in its
capital city?
4. Which Middle Eastern country holds annual Gay Pride parades?
5. Which Middle Eastern country has members of parliament who actively support
and speak out on behalf of gays and lesbians?
6. In which Middle Eastern country did the head of state meet with gay
activists?
7. Which Middle Eastern country lets gays and lesbians join its military
services?
8. Which Middle Eastern country has broadcast programs about gays and lesbians
on its television stations?
9. And a bonus question: When gays in Palestine are forced to flee persecution,
what Middle Eastern country do they usually flee to?
Answers:
Israel
Israel
Israel
Israel
Israel
Israel
Israel
Israel
Israel
The contrasting treatment of gay men in neighboring Arab countries such as
Saudi Arabia and Egypt is well known: Gays are beheaded or sentenced to long
prison terms.
What seems less well known, however, is the appalling treatment of gays under
Yassir Arafat's Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Gaza. At least it
was less known until Yossi Klein Halevi wrote about it in the August 19th New
Republic. Palestine makes rural Texas look like San Francisco.
According to Halevi, one young man discovered to be gay was forced by
Palestinian Authority police "to stand in sewage water up to his neck, his head
covered by a sack filled with feces, and then he was thrown into a dark cell
infested with insects." During one interrogation Palestinian police stripped
him and forced him to sit on a Coke bottle.
When he was released he fled to Israel. If he were forced to return to Gaza, he
said, "The police would kill me."
An American who foolishly moved into the West Bank to live with his Palestinian
lover said they told everyone they were just friends, but one day they "found a
letter under our door from the Islamic court. It listed the five forms of death
prescribed by Islam for homosexuality, including stoning and burning. We fled
to Israel that same day," he said.
The head of a Tel Aviv gay organization told Halevi, "The persecution of gays
in the Palestinian Authority doesn't just come from the families or the Islamic
groups, but from the P.A. itself."
Palestinian police have increasingly enforced Islamic religion law, he said:
"It's now impossible to be an open gay in the P.A." He recalled that one gay
man in the Palestinian police went to Israel for a short time. When he returned
to the West Bank, Palestinian Authority police confined him to a pit without
food or water until he died.
A 17-year-old gay youth recalled that he spent months in a Palestinian
Authority prison "where interrogators cut him with glass and poured toilet
cleaner into his wounds."
The U.S. State Department, which more and more seems to be living on some other
planet, blandly noted in a 2001 human rights report, "In the Palestinian
territories homosexuals generally are socially marginalized and occasionally
receive physical threats." That's one way to put it.
In the last few years, Halevi reports, hundreds of gay Palestinians, mostly
from the West Bank, have fled to Israel, usually to Tel Aviv, Israel's most
cosmopolitan city. Many are desperately poor, he says, "but at least they're
beyond the reach of their families and the P.A."
So it seems clear that Israel is the one country in the region in which gays
have legal rights as citizens and live in safety and freedom.
Oddly, however, some gays and lesbians over on the anti-capitalist
("progressive") left sympathize with Palestinian terrorists and support the
Palestinian Authority. One such fledgling group calls itself "Queers for
Palestine," another is named "Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism" (as if
trying to stop terrorism against Israeli civilians is itself terrorism).
To be sure, no one should argue that gays and lesbians must support Israel just
because it is vastly more gay-friendly. They don't. They may feel that some
other politica
Re: [Marxism] Hamas calls new intifada, mass protests explode over settlements
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This anti-occupation Jewish feminist is getting good and fed up with the leadership on both sides. - MIL Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Left Forum meet-up
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hope I can. It depends on when I have to usher on Saturday night. MIL (Marion) -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect To: Marion L. Sent: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 2:52 pm Subject: [Marxism] Left Forum meet-up == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Comrades attending this are invited to hook up after the Saturday 5:00 PM - 6:50 PM panels and go out for drinks, food and conversation at a nearby pub. We did this last year and had a really nice time. Meet me at the Monthly Review book table, the same place we met last year. Lou Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/moteck1457%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Kucinich toes the line
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == "Thomas Bias" wrote: [Extra text deleted] > I gave Kucinich a piece of my mind over this one. > He should be ashamed of himself, and I'm sure he > is. I'm certain that Emanuel threatened to sic > AIPAC on him and drive him out of Congress as was > done to Cynthia McKinney. Well, if he had any courage > he would have told Emanuel to do his worst. I think > at one time Kucinich really thought that he could > help people by being a Democratic member of > Congress. Welcome to reality! Given Kucinich's well-established reputation for stabbing his supporters in the back, I'm surprised anybody here is actually shocked by his flip-flop on the so-called "health care reform" bill. (In reality, the "Health Insurance Industry Bailout and Profit Maximization Act of 2010") In 2004, Kucinich used his bid for the Oval Office as a vehicle to harness the energy of the anti-war movement and put it to work to help elect a right-wing "New Democrat" to the White House. After he got blown out of the primaries, Dennis told his supporters to rally around the pro-war nominee, Senator John Kerry. In 2006, he received about $135,000 in laundered corporate money from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), chaired by -- guess who -- then-Rep. Rahm Emmanuel, a strong supporter of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and now President Barack Obama's Chief of Staff. If Dennis is such a "pain in the ass" to corrupt Democratic Party leadership, why would they shower him with cash? Now that he "officially" backs the taxpayer bailout of the private health insurance industry, wanna bet they'll pump even more laundered corporate money into his re-election bid? The sordid reality is Kucinich has track record of getting down on his hands and knees, sticking out his tongue, and licking the boots of corrupt Democratic Party leadership whenever it suits his interests to do so. The bigwigs love Dennis because he does a great job keeping the sheep within the fold. Sincerely, Duane J. Roberts duaneroberts92804@ yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Kucinich toes the line
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I have an excellent health care plan with wonderful medical and dental coverage...unless you actually need them to pay off on something. Every time this has happened, their first response was to decline payment. The last one referred me for an explanation to Code Such-and-such, which says---when you look it up--something like "we aren't paying this claim." Great explanation. Eventually, you'll probably get them to pay--which, I appreciate, is better than many plans--but the actual system in practice is such that you usually have to fight them to get what you've already paid for... Imagine if you went to the grocery store, paid for your groceries and then had to set up a series of meetings with the store manager and arm wrestle a bagger to remove the groceries from the store. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] China's Economic Nationalism?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Today's Wall Street Journal expresses shock that China is resorting to economic nationalism, which is supposed to be the exclusive right of the U.S. After all, China's economy seems to be performing better than the U.S. -- at least until a possible real estate bubble bursts. In addition, China does seem to be reining in its expansionary monetary policy, something the U.S. did not do as its bubble grew. Anyway, here are my extracts from the relevant articles: http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/chinas-economic-nationalism/ -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898 5321 fax 530 898 5901 http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Kucinich toes the line
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Most working people, I think, have a health insurance plan like mine: it covers next to nothing, and I'm paying over $100 every two weeks for it. And my boss (it's a very small business) is paying over $1000 a month just for me and my family. And for this I get denied reimbursement for necessary eye surgery for my wife because the doctor is in network but his office - which the doctor OWNS - is NOT in the network. You can't make this stuff up! And this health insurance bill does NOTHING - NOTHING - for me. Because I have health insurance, and I don't really have a choice about changing it. It's my boss's decision, not mine. And for this, they drafted 2700 pages of mishigas when they could have passed a 37-page HR676 and put everyone into Medicare. I gave Kucinich a piece of my mind over this one. He should be ashamed of himself, and I'm sure he is. I'm certain that Emanuel threatened to sic AIPAC on him and drive him out of Congress as was done to Cynthia McKinney. Well, if he had any courage he would have told Emanuel to do his worst. I think at one time Kucinich really thought that he could help people by being a Democratic member of Congress. Welcome to reality! -Tom -Original Message- From: marxism-bounces+biastg=embarqmail@lists.econ.utah.edu [mailto:marxism-bounces+biastg=embarqmail@lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of moteck1...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:03 PM To: Thomas Bias Subject: Re: [Marxism] Kucinich toes the line == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Kucinich is trying his best to create some measure of good for as many people as possible out of a bad situation. That is to his credit. -- mil Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/biastg%40embarqmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Kucinich toes the line
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Kucinich is trying his best to create some measure of good for as many people as possible out of a bad situation. That is to his credit. -- mil Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The reality behind "Inglourious Basterds"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark Lause wrote: > Is it just me or doesn't that whole "professional revolutionaries" concept > amount to grand compliment in admiration of professionalism under > capitalism? How does a professionalism that sets you apart from the > ordinary run-of-the-mill working people recommend you as one to lead them? > > Just a thought > Lenin coined the term professional revolutionary in "What is to be Done", chapter IV. (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/iv.htm) Like most things that Lenin wrote in this pamphlet, it has been treated ahistorically by the "Marxist-Leninist" movement. Although this was never stated explicitly in the American SWP, we generally assumed that this was the full-timers. It is hard to reconcile that with the kind of revolving door staffing of the SWP in the 1960s and 70s when somebody fresh off the campus would take a job as an organizer of one sort or another without having the foggiest notion about Marxist theory. I think that the concept has the greatest merit not so much in terms of who pays you, but as an acknowledgment that socialist revolution requires a professional rather than a dilettantish approach. Despite its cult-like nature, the one good thing about the SWP was its ability to set an example in terms of professionalism back then. Today, of course, is another matter entirely. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The reality behind "Inglourious Basterds"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 17-Mar-10, at 1:21 PM, Mark Lause wrote: > Is it just me or doesn't that whole "professional revolutionaries" > concept > amount to grand compliment in admiration of professionalism under > capitalism? How does a professionalism that sets you apart from the > ordinary run-of-the-mill working people recommend you as one to lead > them? maybe the wording should have been "unless you earn your living as an revolutionary activist". the point being that we are all inside the system contributing to it in one form or another. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The reality behind "Inglourious Basterds"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Is it just me or doesn't that whole "professional revolutionaries" concept amount to grand compliment in admiration of professionalism under capitalism? How does a professionalism that sets you apart from the ordinary run-of-the-mill working people recommend you as one to lead them? Just a thought ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The reality behind "Inglourious Basterds"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Interesting point. For the record, I do not, as much as I disagree with almost everything Paddy posts, hold him in contempt to any degree whatsoever. I'm just opposed. - Original Message - From: "Bill Stephens" Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] on the French Regional Elections
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://theactivist.org/blog/on-the-french-regional-elections Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
