Re: [Marxism] HTML versus plain text?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 23 January 2011 13:41, Joaquín Bustelo jbust...@bellsouth.net wrote: Other advantages are more flexibility in formatting, abandoning kludges like asterisking words or phrases [*blah blah blah*] for emphasis and so on. But those are secondary or tertiary. These secondary and tertiary ones also contain potential problems with accessibility. For me being *sometimes* confined to a terminal falls under that broad category of accessibility. Ease off on the belittling parodies of 'super geek' purity - fact is, people read this list under a range of circumstances, chosen or otherwise, it is important to be able to understand this, which may involve stepping outside one's own particular circumstances and expectations. Yes there are advantages, but there's another side to the story which may tend towards excluding some people. Personally, my health has deteriorated over the last couple of years such that looking at a standard computer screen at length makes me sick. The more I am able to control the formatting as a *reader* (not a writer) the more I am able to lessen the suffering associated with it. To the extent that formatting is imposed on me arbitrarily by the author, there are barriers in the way of me making those adjustments to my own taste, or piping the content to some other less nauseating medium. Just one consideration among many of course, and it isn't an absolute question, but a matter relative convenience and inconvenience. It does sound like Joaquín Bustelo's blog would be a worthy piece of hypertext should such a blog come into being. -AA. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] HTML versus plain text?
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On 21 January 2011 23:49, Les Schaffer schaf...@optonline.net wrote:
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On 1/21/11 7:39 AM, Louis Proyect wrote:
Any thoughts on this from comrades?
Count me as generally against. I don't see the advantage.
i've been thinking for a while we could start allowing html ... if
enough people are annoyed by it, its easy to turn off again.
another issue: at the moment, we have it set up so that if a post
contains BOTH plain text and html, we forward only the plain text. i can
turn that off, but the byte count will go up by roughly double for posts
that include both ... and we may have to adjust the max size parameter
if people are going to post large emails with both plain text and html
included.
so, does byte count matter to anyone anymore??
Byte count is no big deal for me personally, but even as someone who
has never touched emacs in his life, I do still frequently find myself
confined to using a terminal, and in that context HTML-alone can be
really inconvenient. IMO comrades having to express themselves in
text is less inconvenient and is not a bad discipline. There are
other accessibility considerations which don't (yet) apply to me, but
I try to think of others, and my future self.
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Re: [Marxism] Making a Mockery of the Real Crime of Rape: Assange Beseiged
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On 22 November 2010 12:50, Intense Red intns...@golgotha.net wrote:
I don't think this has been posted to the list, but considering the
Assange discussion, this oddly-written article which makes a link to
Assange's rape victims and the CIA is worth reading:
Some good points in the article's content, but Israel Shamir is a
very dubious character.
see:
http://www.nigelparry.com/issues/shamir/originalletter.html
http://www.marxists.de/racism/antisemitism/counterpunch.htm
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Re: [Marxism] Making a Mockery of the Real Crime of Rape: Assange Beseiged
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On 22 November 2010 13:51, Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com wrote:
Yes. I was gasping at his totally irrelevant invocation of the arch-
antisemitic stereotype *Judas*.
I guess he couldn't resist.
He also couldn't resist going on a *long* rant about 'male-bashing',
'castrating feminists', or referring to The brilliant Israeli writer
Gilad Atzmon, or this little teaser: Pseudo Anti-Zionists are
currently being used to hamstring a genuine Pro-Palestinian movement.
Yuck. every time i glance at it i see something else.
Imagine if I took the time to actually read it through!
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Re: [Marxism] A question to mathematicians on this list
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Can anyone calculate the probabilities that Paul the octopus has
reached his results by chance?
Are we permitted to take into account all the other octopuses (and
snails and squids and roosters and bats and carnivorous plants) in the
world who failed to get even nine correct answers? In a large world,
the probability of existence of an unlikely animal are high.
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Re: [Marxism] A question to mathematicians on this list
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On 13 July 2010 11:17, reg aka0...@hotmail.com wrote:
Spanish flag to all others, and preferred the German flag next.,
Symbolically p(Spain)p(Germany)p(all others). Then the odds of being
correct on all trials could be much greater than 0.003.
Just sayin'.
Rick G.
In any case 'Paul' became a worldwide celebrity having gotten seven in a row.
All those other under-reported non-lottery-winning opctopuses who
failed at seven, six, five or four are part of the sample, and are
being discarded in favour of this seven-in-a-row special case...
Who then went on the get four more...
The odds of which are (sorry) less impressive, even if an octopus is
just a variation on the theme of coin.
i.e. the odds me being struck twice my lightning are less than the
odds of someone unspecified being struck twice by lightning
(especially someone who has already been struck by lightning being
struck by lightning again, since they have done half the work already)
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Re: [Marxism] Is Imperialism a different mode of production?
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On 7 June 2010 02:37, Joaquín Bustelo jbust...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Thus Lenin's pamphlet Imperialism is NOT NOT NOT the actual content
of Lenin's [theory of] imperialism. It was limited to economics by the
tsarist censorship; and according to Lenin, was just a snapshot of
pre-WWI international relations as revealed by the admissions of
bourgeois scholars.
Yup,
A better starting point for Lenin's views on imperialism in its whole-system
political meaning would be Imperialism and the split in socialism.
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Re: [Marxism] Fw: The Anthropocene Debate: Marking Humanity's Impact
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--- On Tue, 5/18/10, modera...@portside.org modera...@portside.org wrote:
Subject: The Anthropocene Debate: Marking Humanity's Impact
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 7:50 PM
By Elizabeth Kolbert
May 17, 2010, Yale Environment 360
http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2274
The Holocene - or wholly recent epoch - is what
geologists
call the 11,000 years or so since the end of the last ice
age. As epochs go, the Holocene is barely out of diapers;
its
immediate predecessor, the Pleistocene, lasted more than
two
million years, while many earlier epochs, like the Eocene,
went on for more than 20 million years. Still, the
Holocene
may be done for. People have become such a driving force
on
the planet that many geologists argue a new epoch -
informally dubbed the Anthropocene - has begun.
A video lecture by one of the authors of the 2007 paper The
Anthropocene: are humans now overwhelming the great forces of Nature?
( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18240674 ) is available here:
http://fennerschool-lectures.anu.edu.au/lectures/2009/ENVS1001/lectures_and_tutorials/panels/global_change.html
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Re: [Marxism] Communist debate group chooses Stalin as next topic
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On 18 May 2010 23:55, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote:
The real measure of your radicalism is not what emblems you wear
on your clothing (the Che Guevara t-shirt the worst offender) but
your ability to reach people, especially working people, with
socialist ideas. Anything that gets in the way of opening such a
conversation must be rejected.
But the key is *opening* the conversation, and who you're likely to be
opening the conversation with. (Especially when you lack a mass
audience most of the time)
In practice the people who are open to radical ideas are
self-selecting. What constitutes a barrier to opening discussion with
them may differ from the social norm because we're talking about a
small radicalising minority who are distinguished mostly only by their
questioning, and their seeking-after-solutions outside the realm of
official alternatives. A mass audience of workers may not appreciate
explicit communists, but any amount of dressing up isn't going to get
you that audience right now anyway.
(thinking here of the US SWP and their insistence on dressing straight
and normal under a variety of circumstances in maybe a formalistic
application of Louis's advice.)
Experimentation is good, and learning the direct way what works and
what doesn't is good.
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Re: [Marxism] The Millibands
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On 13 April 2010 04:56, Les Schaffer schaf...@optonline.net wrote:
it would be nice to know more about the tree... who is daddy millband?
Among other things, he was co-editor of the annual 'Socilialist
Register' with Leo Panitch.
And author of many good books:
http://www.librarything.com/author/milibandralph
(and two of his offspring now populate the Brown ministry.)
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Re: [Marxism] I miss Peter Camejo
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http://www.haymarketbooks.org/pb/North-Star-Challenging-the-Power
Available for ordering...
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Re: [Marxism] Minimal philosophy reading list?
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On 4 February 2010 08:05, Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.de wrote:
Actually you'll find some very interesting discussions of dialectics in
the writings of Stephen J. Gould, Lev Lewontin and Steven Rose - all
practising biologists in different fields.
Yes Gould, Lewontin and Rose...
and Richard Levins.
Like Rose's Lifelines and Lewontin and Levins' The Dialectical
Biologist and Biology under the Influence
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2009/10/23 Ryan Neighbors rnei...@uark.edu:
Hello,
I'm new to the study of Marxist theory, so I was hoping some of you
could help me. I need to know (for a paper) a few Marxist theorists
who deal extensively with the ideas of war, pacifism, and/or
revolution. I'm primarily interested in the idea of pacifism (and
even more specifically pacifism in cultural texts) from a Marxist
standpoint. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Ryan
Here's a fairly recent talk describing a marxist approach to war:
http://rsp.org.au/?p=231
the following on Pacifism comes from the above:
The Marxist approach to war differs radically from the pacifist
approach. In his classic pamphlet, Socialism and War, Lenin
distinguished between the Marxist and pacifist oppositions to war:
Socialists [Lenin wrote] have always condemned wars between nations as
barbarous and brutal. Our attitude towards war is fundamentally
different from that of the bourgeois pacifists … in that we understand
the inevitable connection between wars and the class struggle within a
country; we understand that wars cannot be abolished unless classes
are abolished and socialism is created; we also differ in that we
regard civil wars, i.e., wars waged by an oppressed class against the
oppressor class, by slaves against slaveholders, by serfs against
landowners, and by wage workers against the bourgeoisie, as fully
legitimate, progressive and necessary. We Marxists differ from
pacifists … in that we deem it necessary to study each war
historically (from the standpoint of Marx’s dialectical materialism)
and separately. There have been in the past numerous wars which,
despite all the horrors, atrocities, distress and suffering that
inevitably accompany all wars, were progressive, i.e., benefited the
development of mankind.1
We Marxists reject an absolute position on war. We examine each war
concretely and separately, locating each in its distinct historical
context. We disagree with pacifists that all war is bad, immoral and
harmful to those who engage in it. Those are ahistorical, moralistic
dogmas divorced from material reality. Indeed, from our working-class
viewpoint, rejecting necessary or liberating violence is inherently
immoral. A gun used in war by a Warsaw Ghetto fighter aimed at a
German soldier was an instrument of liberation. The same gun in the
hands of a German soldier aimed at a Jew in the Warsaw Ghetto was an
instrument of Nazi terror. An abstract disgust with guns and violence
cannot see this truth — only politics and class morality can.
We Marxists don’t equate the violence of the oppressor with the
violence of the oppressed. We don’t agree with pacifists that the
violence of oppressed people or workers’ revolution debases the human
spirit by practising hatred, and that it should be replaced by a
strategy of winning over enemies through nonviolent reconciliation,
Christian love or moral witness. Pacifists preach peaceful
reconciliation of differences between oppressor and oppressed —
“nonviolent conflict resolution” — not the class hostility and hatred
workers should feel for their exploiters.
Ruling classes have never in all of recorded human history paid the
slightest attention to pacifist or moral pleadings to peacefully give
up their wealth and power. Pacifists consequently direct their appeals
to the oppressed, which disarms and weakens successful resistance and
contributes to the maintenance of the system which causes war.
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Re: [Marxism] Free pamphlet: `The Labour Aristocracy: The material basis of opportunism in the labour movement'
2009/9/18 Harry Feldman harry.feld...@gmail.com:
Quoting
Jeffrey Thomas Piercy [mqd...@mqduck.net]:
Actually, that's what freeware means. Unfortunately, there's no convenient
term in English for GNU-style free software, at least not without borrowing
from other languages (libre software/software libre being a good
choice).
Isn't the expression 'open source'?
Some use that term to overcome the ambiguity,
some don't:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
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Re: [Marxism] Free pamphlet: `The Labour Aristocracy: The material basis of opportunism in the labour movement' | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal
2009/9/18 Joaquin Bustelo jbust...@bellsouth.net:
Freeware/free software to me means both free as in freedom and as in free
beer, not just free of charge.
Usually in English language software circles a distinction is made
between 'freeware'
(zero dollars up front) and Free ('Libre') Software.
Anyway the pamphlet is very good, and reads well in conjunction with
Lenin's 'Imperialism and the split in Socialism'
(and I'd throw in Lenin's article 'In Australia' which sometime
appears in the Progress Moscow collection 'On Britain')
It wasn't the only tantalising 'Part One' produced by Line of March
that never ended up having a 'Part Two'. (Another that would
certainly interest Joachin if it became available would be the
'critique of the Black Nation thesis' by Bob Wing.)
so fire up your choice of Free PDF reader:
http://pdfreaders.org/
and grab the file:
http://www.readingfromtheleft.com/PDF/LabourAristocracy.pdf
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Re: [Marxism] Long posts not allowed??
Patrick Bond wrote:
I'm voting, as usual, for full posting of articles - copyrights be damned.
I agree, generally the burden of requiring *interactive* getting (by
web) of things in the context of poor connectivity is greater than the
burden of getting a large amount of redundant, but easily ignored
plain text, even in that same context.
2009/9/1 Les Schaffer schaf...@optonline.net:
i can think of two or three solutions to this problem...
1. a separate companion list for news and forwards
I forsee a lot of confusion and peopl eforwarding to the long list and
a lot of reminders and reinforcements being required to make this
work.
3. Mailman has a Topics feature which is currently disabled, see
details below. if everyone who forwarded would put a keyword like [fwd]
or [news-item] in their subject line, i think we could handle this.
That might be the most realistic solution, and the easiest to teach
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