Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == >It says that Comedy Central streams are not available in Canada. I have >heard that there is some program or device you can get to overcome this, >but its not really worth it for me. It is interesting that this is not >the case everywhere outside of the US as Eindie has mentioned. Dude, we cant have dangerous ideas being broadcast to Canada. One day a Canadian Red Army could sweep south ending capitalism as we know it. Nah, ya cant have that shit up there. Its just olympics, olympics, olympics for you.. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, John Oliver's Daily Show segment was delightful. For example: > Oliver: > What would you say to the Hawaiians who say 'I have government- > mandated healthcare and I love it'? > > Republican National Committee member: > Do they have government-mandated healthcare here? > > Oliver: > Yes. > > RNC member: > Well I would say that he that pays the piper calls the tune. > > Oliver: > And what would you say to a Hawaiian who says, 'What? That's > meaningless. That's just a bit of folksy nonsense. That doesn't > have any real substance.' > > RNC member: > [pause] I lost my thought. But then there are the facts of the matter. Is there "socialist medicine" in Hawaii? Really now! Hawaii "mandates" that employers purchase private health insurance for employees who work 20 hours per week or longer. (If someone knows the statistics about how many part-time (<20 h/wk) workers there are in Hawaii, please share.) Thus John Oliver is precise and correct: "government-mandated healthcare." Hawaii enacted "government-mandated" private health insurance in 1974. That year Richard Nixon (before he resigned the Presidency) proposed employer mandates as his way to expand health insurance coverage,-- in response to renewed momentum for national health insurance. (It took a long time for Hawaii to implement the reform, thanks to corporate lawsuits that ultimately failed.) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/health/policy/17hawaii.html And the result?? -- Hawaii neither has universal access to care, nor affordable health care -- > Residents of Hawaii Without Health Insurance In 2007-2008 > > More than one out of four people (27.1 percent) in Hawaii under > the age of 65 went without health insurance for all or part of the > two-year period 2007-2008 (see chart). > > Of the 294,000 uninsured residents of Hawaii, two-thirds (66.3 > percent) went without health coverage for six months or longer > during this period. http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/americans-at-risk/hawaii.pdf What the Democratic Party proposals in Congress have in common with the Hawaii mandate is government coercion to purchase private health insurance. The delicious ironies of Oliver's piece might lead some people (-- no one on this list of course! --) to conclude that "government-mandated" private health insurance is a good thing. In fact the Hawaiian example shows how far things have sunk. Nixon's idea remains to the left of Obama's. Nixon never could have won support for the "individual mandate" -- a "reform" written by the insurers themselves (and first enacted in Massachusetts with a bipartisan push). This idea (which even Obama opposed as a candidate) is to coerce individuals to purchase private health insurance. It is also worth noting that San Francisco has a rather new city-wide "mandate" insurance law that requires employers (of 20 or more workers) to spend at least $1.31 per hour on health costs. The central labor council there made the crucial difference in winning the reform ... starting in 2008 they achieved Nixon's goal ... how far we have (not) traveled ... http://sfgsa.org/index.aspx?page=418 ... the many cruel, if hilarious, ironies of the crisis ... Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == >really what do you see when you click on >the link? >Les It says that Comedy Central streams are not available in Canada. I have heard that there is some program or device you can get to overcome this, but its not really worth it for me. It is interesting that this is not the case everywhere outside of the US as Eindie has mentioned. Brad Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == > > Amazing it takes a popular TV show to tell the truth... ""Are you really amazed that telling the truth is popular?"" Shane Shane, the operative phrase here is "Amazing it takes..." not that the truth isn't popular. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == i think if you click on "videos" (instead of "full episodes") in the Daily Show menu, you should be able to watch the clip in question even if outside the US. brad bauerly wrote: > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Just so you know, those links to TV shows don't work outside the US. > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/e.hofstadler%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == brad bauerly wrote: > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > Just so you know, those links to TV shows don't work outside the US. I usually have no problems when I watch clips from the Daily Show. This isn't the case with all American TV show links, but most do work. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 2/14/2010 9:14 AM, brad bauerly wrote: > > Just so you know, those links to TV shows don't work outside the US. > really what do you see when you click on the link? Les Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Just so you know, those links to TV shows don't work outside the US. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Feb 13, 2010, at 7:13 PM, nada wrote: > > Amazing it takes a popular TV show to tell the truth... Are you really amazed that telling the truth is popular? Shane Mage "L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté." Bardo Thodol Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Amazing it takes a popular TV show to tell the truth. One of the most "poignant" pieces done by Steward lately. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] DAILY SHOW on socialist medicine....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is vintage Jon Stewart but half way through this clip, John Oliver shows up to interview participants at the Republican National Committee meeting in Hawaii, which has state-mandated health care. Humor ensues. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap ML PS: Don't miss Dog the Bounty Hunter...or, should I say, Comrade Dog... Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
