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In re "who's been successful as a Green candidate?". Art Goodtimes has twice defeated challengers from Dem and Rep parties to hold his seat as a county commissioner in San Miguel county colo The county seat is Telluride Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:00 PM, marxism-requ...@lists.econ.utah.edu wrote: > Send Marxism mailing list submissions to > marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > marxism-requ...@lists.econ.utah.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > marxism-ow...@lists.econ.utah.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Marxism digest..." > > > ====================================================================== > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > ====================================================================== > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Grim Voter Mood Turns Grimmer (Mark Lause) > 2. The Question for Third Party campaigns [was Grim Voter > Mood...] (Mark Lause) > 3. Critical support for the Islamic Republic of Iran! > (Louis Proyect) > 4. Will Ferrell's anti-capitalist comedy (Louis Proyect) > 5. Churchill's Empire (Louis Proyect) > 6. Re: Churchill's Empire (midhurs...@aol.com) > 7. Re: self-indulgence (Andrew Pollack) > 8. Re: Churchill's Empire (Matt) > 9. Re: Churchill's Empire (midhurs...@aol.com) > 10. Re: Churchill's Empire (Andrew Pollack) > 11. Re: Churchill's Empire (midhurs...@aol.com) > 12. Kucinich won't challenge Obama in 2012 primaries (Dan DiMaggio) > 13. Re: self-indulgence (Shane Mage) > 14. Veritas Handbook: a new guide puts Palestine history, > debates in activists? hands (Dennis Brasky) > 15. Re: self-indulgence (Tom Cod) > 16. WYCLEF FOR PRESIDENT? (Dennis Brasky) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:46:19 -0400 > From: Mark Lause <markala...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Marxism] Grim Voter Mood Turns Grimmer > To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition > <marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu> > Message-ID: > <aanlktin5cf3hrtor3gbjbce1nz5pyuvpvk9_t4=6e...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The most likely beneficiary of all this on the Left should be the Greens, > but the larger state organizations on the coasts seem to be in decline. > Some of the state parties, such as Illinois, seem to be showing some sparks > of new life. > > Ohio remains self-mummified and accords leadership to people who openly > Democrats or who believe that the party should consistently defer to the > pro-Democrats. The main accomplishment of our state party has been > red-baiting to keep anyone serious about an independent third party away > from playing any role whatsoever in shaping its course.... What Ohio does > now is to run exclusively in state and local races rather than to have to > challenge Democrats over national issues. So we discuss regulations about > recycling and saving forest preserves, but never discuss global warming, BP, > etc. It varies from state to state, of course... > > This is a minor variant on the standard scenario for any third party with > potential in U.S. history. If voters give you enough attention, you have > people within the party coming up as would-be power brokers with a major > party and if you're organized stupidly enough--where leaders are > unaccountable--you get open Democrats coming in from the outside. > > ML > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:59:37 -0400 > From: Mark Lause <markala...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Marxism] The Question for Third Party campaigns [was Grim > Voter Mood...] > To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition > <marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu> > Message-ID: > <aanlkti=jjjmt4q17hbbt_-=sekna3ampeo9sxbzrb...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Running independent political campaigns are supposed to aim at more than > "getting out the ideas." That is, you could do that any number of ways and > don't have to invest the time, energy and effort into a political campaign > to do so. > > We run such campaigns in hopes of mobilizing people to do something beyond > the election.... And I don't mean just joining the organization that's > running the campaign.... > > What do you want to leave behind the campaign? The misleadership of the > Greens has failed to do this consistently. McKinney and Nader, who have > personally-centered campaign styles have failed to leave much of anything > behind. > > Who's been successful at this? > > And how? > > ML > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:04:00 -0400 > From: Louis Proyect <l...@panix.com> > Subject: [Marxism] Critical support for the Islamic Republic of Iran! > To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition > <marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu> > Message-ID: <4c6542c0.9030...@panix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1302482/UK-slams-Irans-lack-respect-vice-president-claims-Britons-thick.html > UK slams Iran's lack of respect after vice president claims Britons are > a bunch of thick people ruled by a mafia > > By Mail Foreign Service > > The Foreign Office has sharply rebuked Iran after the country's vice > president for called British people 'thick'. > > In a speech Monday, Mohammad Reza Rahimi said Britons were 'a bunch of > idiots ruled by mafia,' and criticized Prime Minister David Cameron's > inexperience. > > Though British officials usually let such remarks pass, Ambassador Simon > Gass wrote a blog posting in Farsi on a government Website sharply > criticizing Rahimi. > > He said the Iranian official had shown a lack of respect with his > 'illogical and worthless remark.' > > The Foreign Office says it decided Rahimi's comments merited a response. > > In the blistering diatribe, Rahimi said: ?They have plundered the world > in the last 500 years and the young lad in charge now is even more > stupid than his predecessor. It?s as if God has made this nation > servants of America and Zionists.? > > Iran?s First Vice President added: ?England has nothing. Its inhabitants > are not human, its officials are not responsible, and it doesn?t even > have any natural resources. (They are) a bunch of thick people ruled by > a mafia.? > > The incendiary remarks went too far for Simon Gass. > > ?To state that the British are not human and to call them thick shows a > lack of respect for human dignity and is an illogical and worthless > remark,? he wrote. > > Writing in Farsi, the official language of Iran, Mr Gass added: ?To > discuss the political differences between countries is natural, but when > a high-ranking official who represents the Islamic Republic of Iran > makes such insulting remarks about the people of another country, it > reflects badly only on the person who made such remarks.? > > Rahimi denounced countries that had supported the latest round of UN > sanctions against Iran and, like the U.S., Britain and Australia, > imposed extra ones of their own. > > He called the Australians a ?bunch of cow herders? and suggested that > the South Koreans should be ?smacked in the face until they become human?. > > Ironically, in the same speech in Tehran on Monday Rahimi told his > audience of senior education officials that teachers need to teach their > students manners. > > Iranian officials frequently lambast Britain, but calling the British > ?thick? is new. > > The British are usually depicted as a crafty and cunning ?little Satan? > pulling the strings of the ?Great Satan? America which is seen as having > more brawn but fewer brains. > > The Iranian regime has accused both London and Washington of stirring up > last summer?s unrest that followed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?s > fiercely dis?puted re-election. > > Mr Gass wrote: ?The contribution made by Britain in shaping the modern > world, from invention to cultural achievements, values and respect for > individual rights, has been clearly and rightly recorded in history and > is respected throughout the world.? > > Britain is one of six nations negotiating with Tehran over its disputed > nuclear program. Iran denies it is developing nuclear weapons. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:11:47 -0400 > From: Louis Proyect <l...@panix.com> > Subject: [Marxism] Will Ferrell's anti-capitalist comedy > To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition > <marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu>, Progressive Economics > <pe...@lists.csuchico.edu> > Message-ID: <4c6552a3.8090...@panix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2010/08/09/other-guys-end-credits-sequence-video/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:16:16 -0400 > From: Louis Proyect <l...@panix.com> > Subject: [Marxism] Churchill's Empire > To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition > <marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu> > Message-ID: <4c6553b0.4090...@panix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Paper Cuts - A Blog About Books > August 13, 2010, 7:00 am > Stray Questions for Richard Toye > By THE NEW YORK TIMES > Richard Toye > > Richard Toye?s book ?Churchill?s Empire? is reviewed in this Sunday?s > Book Review. > > Your history explores a dark side of Winston Churchill ? his racism and > avid imperialism ? that will come as a surprise to many readers. How do > you feel personally about Churchill? > > Churchill?s dark side will certainly come as a surprise to those who > know about him mainly through his image in the Western media ? people > living in Africa or India might start off with a much more negative > impression. Actually, part of the point of my book was that during some > sections of his career (notably when he was in his first ministerial > post, at the Colonial Office) some right-wing imperialists saw Churchill > as a dangerous radical who was too sympathetic to liberal ideas and thus > posed a danger to the Empire from the left! I argue that he consciously > chose to move to the right in the 1930s with his campaign against > greater self-government for India. > > How I feel about him personally depends very much upon which part of his > career I am thinking about at the time. I have little sympathy for many > of his views, and I don?t think that many of the defenses put up for his > racism hold water. On the other hand, he was often capable of remarkable > good sense, even on some imperial issues like Ireland, and it is hard > not to develop affection for him. > > How has your work been received in Britain? Do you see Churchill?s > legacy changing? > > Very well, I am happy to say! There are two categories of people in > Britain: those who will never hear a bad word about Churchill, and those > who will never hear a good one. Somehow I seem to have pleased everyone > (so far) ? presumably because the book contains enough evidence for > people to make up their own minds. > > What are you working on now? > > I?m currently planning a book on Churchill?s war speeches ? not just the > famous ones of 1940 but the whole range. > > What have you been reading or recommending lately? > > Hans Fallada, ?Alone in Berlin? ? a very moving novel about resistance > to the Nazis. > > Ronald Hyam, ?Understanding the British Empire? ? a collection of essays > by an eminent imperial historian. > > I strongly recommend that, when it comes out in a few month?s time, > everyone reads my colleague James Mark?s book, ?The Unfinished > Revolution? ? a groundbreaking work about the political legacy after the > end of communism in Eastern Europe. > > --- > > > NY Times Sunday Book Review August 12, 2010 > The Two Churchills > By JOHANN HARI > > CHURCHILL?S EMPIRE > > The World That Made Him and the World He Made > By Richard Toye > Illustrated. 423 pp. A John Macrae Book/Henry Holt & Company. $32 > > Winston Churchill is remembered for leading Britain through her finest > hour ? but what if he also led the country through her most shameful > one? What if, in addition to rousing a nation to save the world from the > Nazis, he fought for a raw white supremacy and a concentration camp > network of his own? This question burns through Richard Toye?s superb, > unsettling new history, ?Churchill?s Empire? ? and is even seeping into > the Oval Office. > > George W. Bush left a big growling bust of Churchill near his desk in > the White House, in an attempt to associate himself with Churchill?s > heroic stand against fascism. Barack Obama had it returned to Britain. > It?s not hard to guess why: his Kenyan grandfather, Hussein Onyango > Obama, was imprisoned without trial for two years and tortured on > Churchill?s watch, for resisting Churchill?s empire. > > Can these clashing Churchills be reconciled? Do we live, at the same > time, in the world he helped to save and the world he helped to trash? > Toye, one of Britain?s smartest young historians, has tried to pick > through these questions dispassionately. Churchill was born in 1874 into > a Britain that was coloring the map imperial pink, at the cost of > washing distant nations blood-red. He was told a simple story: the > superior white man was conquering the primitive dark-skinned natives, > and bringing them the benefits of civilization. > > As soon as he could, Churchill charged off to take his part in ?a lot of > jolly little wars against barbarous peoples.? In the Swat valley, now > part of Pakistan, he experienced, fleetingly, an instant of doubt. He > realized that the local population was fighting back because of ?the > presence of British troops in lands the local people considered their > own,? just as Britain would if she were invaded. But Churchill soon > suppressed this thought, deciding instead that they were merely deranged > jihadists whose violence was explained by a ?strong aboriginal > propensity to kill.? > > He gladly took part in raids that laid waste to whole valleys, writing: > ?We proceeded systematically, village by village, and we destroyed the > houses, filled up the wells, blew down the towers, cut down the shady > trees, burned the crops and broke the reservoirs in punitive > devastation.? He then sped off to help reconquer the Sudan, where he > bragged that he personally shot at least three ?savages.? > > The young Churchill charged through imperial atrocities, defending each > in turn. When the first concentration camps were built in South Africa, > he said they produced ?the minimum of suffering? possible. At least > 115,000 people were swept into them and 14,000 died, but he wrote only > of his ?irritation that kaffirs should be allowed to fire on white men.? > Later, he boasted of his experiences. ?That was before war degenerated,? > he said. ?It was great fun galloping about.? > > After being elected to Parliament in 1900, he demanded a rolling program > of more conquests, based on his belief that ?the Aryan stock is bound to > triumph.? As war secretary and then colonial secretary in the 1920s, he > unleashed the notorious Black and Tans on Ireland?s Catholics, to burn > homes and beat civilians. When the Kurds rebelled against British rule > in Iraq, he said: ?I am strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against > uncivilized tribes.? It ?would spread a lively terror.? (Strangely, Toye > doesn?t quote this.) > > Of course, it?s easy to dismiss any criticism of these actions as > anachronistic. Didn?t everybody in Britain think that way then? One of > the most striking findings of Toye?s research is that they really > didn?t: even at the time, Churchill was seen as standing at the most > brutal and brutish end of the British imperialist spectrum. This was > clearest in his attitude to India. When Gandhi began his campaign of > peaceful resistance, Churchill raged that he ?ought to be lain bound > hand and foot at the gates of Delhi and then trampled on by an enormous > elephant with the new Viceroy seated on its back.? He later added: ?I > hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.? > > This hatred killed. In 1943, to give just one example, a famine broke > out in Bengal, caused, as the Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen > has proven, by British mismanagement. To the horror of many of his > colleagues, Churchill raged that it was their own fault for ?breeding > like rabbits? and refused to offer any aid for months while hundreds of > thousands died. > > Husse ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
