[Marxism] Self-service at CVS

2010-01-31 Thread Louis Proyect
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The CVS across the street has installed self-service check-out machines. 
This is apparently the latest trend in the retail industry to cut costs 
and boost profits. Of course, when they can clerks, that's a loss of 
buying power. It is especially galling to have to basically do work for 
free when I check myself out at CVS. Here's a blog article from 
Solidarity on this:

http://www.solidarity-us.org/current/node/2350
Self-checkouts and other capitalist inconveniences
Submitted by Nick on August 20, 2009 - 12:52pm

Anyone who’s been to a supermarket within the past couple of years is 
undoubtedly familiar with the horrible phenomenon of “self-checkout” 
machines. It seems grocery stores have given up all pretense of caring 
about their customers; they’ve fired the cashiers and baggers and are 
forcing you to scan and bag the groceries yourself as a computerized 
voice commands you every step of the way.

If you’ve used one, you know how extremely inconvenient this is. Because 
it’s a robot and not a person, you have to go through an extremely 
specific routine: scan item, place in bag, repeat. Any deviation from 
this, such as taking a purchase back out of the bag or shifting the 
items around so the milk doesn’t crush the tortilla chips, will cause 
the self-checkout station to say perplexing commands at you and possibly 
force the harried attendant, who has to watch over eight or ten of these 
things, to come over – after they’re done helping the three other people 
with the same problem – and make sure you aren’t trying to steal 
anything before you can scan your next item.

I like to bring my own cloth shopping bags, but the self-checkout 
machines make this very difficult. And then there’s the matter of 
payment. A worker can sort bills and coins into a cash register much 
faster than a customer can insert them, one by one, into a little slot 
that sometimes rejects them for unknowable reasons. Last time I went to 
the store it took me about five minutes to buy four items.

It’s striking how fast they’ve been able to essentially eliminate 
cashiers. The store I go to has been keeping only one or two normal 
checkout lanes open, even during peak grocery-shopping times, forcing 
almost everyone to use the self-checkout. It’s not much better with the 
regular checkout anyway, since they’ve already eliminated baggers.

This is a pretty common phenomenon these days. At a lot of stores, staff 
have been cut to the point that it’s nearly impossible to ask someone 
where to find something – instead you’re supposed to use little 
computers with search functions. Of course, if you enter the wrong name 
for a product, it won’t be able to tell you where it is. The telephone 
voice-recognition systems that everyone hates are another example of 
this trend. This kind of “labor-saving technology” eliminates jobs, but 
it doesn’t actually save any labor – it makes things more difficult, not 
less. The difference is that the labor is no longer done by workers, but 
is foisted onto customers, thus expanding the company’s profit margin 
while producing inconvenience for everybody else.

In a socialist society, we would presumably put such technology to its 
proper use – that of making life easier for workers and customers. 
Meanwhile, the UFCW would make a lot of friends if it mounted a campaign 
against those awful self-checkouts.

 * Nick's blog

Self-check outs
Submitted by Mary Struggler (not verified) on August 22, 2009 - 5:30pm.

I hate the self check outs and never use them. I don't care how long the 
line is at the one open cashier. I'd rather wait in line for a wage 
earning employee than a darn robot that can't buy a car.



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Re: [Marxism] Self-service at CVS

2010-01-31 Thread Greg McDonald
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Most supermarkets have not totally eliminated check-out clerks, but
have instituted a hybrid system as a transitional phase. Whenever I
shop at one of these places, I boycott the self-check out and even
urge others to do the same without making too much of a commotion. I
think a boycott of self-checkout stations would be a great idea as a
union organizing tactic, and would have strong support from the
public.

Greg


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Re: [Marxism] Self-service at CVS

2010-01-31 Thread S. Artesian
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French supermarkets-- Champion, etc.  introduced them awhile ago-- not too 
popular from what I observed in Paris, but then everything in Paris, 
including waiting in line, is viewed as an opportunity to engage in 
conversation and discussion

K-Mart on Astor Place in Manhattan installed them about 5 years ago-- but 
had to have clerks available as so many customers were confused by the 
process-- and I think it presents a greater opportunity for pilferage-- scan 
the low priced article, but bag the high priced article.


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Re: [Marxism] Self-service at CVS

2010-01-31 Thread Shane Mage
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On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:41 AM, S. Artesian wrote:
>
> French supermarkets-- Champion, etc.  introduced them awhile ago--  
> not too popular from what I observed in Paris, but then everything  
> in Paris, including waiting in line, is viewed as an opportunity to  
> engage in conversation and discussion
>
> K-Mart on Astor Place in Manhattan installed them about 5 years  
> ago-- but had to have clerks available as so many customers were  
> confused by the process-- and I think it presents a greater  
> opportunity for pilferage-- scan the low priced article, but bag the  
> high priced article.


I can't imagine Whole Foods, anti-union or not, doing such a thing.


Shane Mage
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Re: [Marxism] Self-service at CVS

2010-01-31 Thread Jim Farmelant
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On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:41:02 -0500 "S. Artesian"
 writes:

> 
> French supermarkets-- Champion, etc.  introduced them awhile ago-- 
> not too 
> popular from what I observed in Paris, but then everything in Paris, 
> 
> including waiting in line, is viewed as an opportunity to engage in 
> 
> conversation and discussion
> 
> K-Mart on Astor Place in Manhattan installed them about 5 years 
> ago-- but 
> had to have clerks available as so many customers were confused by 
> the 
> process-- and I think it presents a greater opportunity for 
> pilferage-- scan 
> the low priced article, but bag the high priced article.

That maybe their Achilles heel.  What the
stores might save in reduced labor costs
may be lost through increasing pilferage.
Then they either will have to hire
extra clerks to guard against theft
or they will have to increase the
sophistication of the technology,
which of course will make it
more expensive.  Might be
cheaper then just to hire
cashiers.

Jim F.
http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant
> 
>

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