Re: [Marxism] Invasion of the (Israeli or Jewish) body snatechers
Eli Stephens (elishasteph...@hotmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-02 at 21:13:35 in about Re: [Marxism] Invasion of the (Israeli or Jewish) body snatechers: Secondly, the claim that Weir claims that Israel is systematically harvesting etc. is just a damn lie. Here is the final paragraph of her introduction to the article: The fact is, however, so Weir claims that there are facts that substantiated evidence of public and private organ trafficking and theft, substanciated by evidence and allegations of worse, have been widely reported for many years. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Invasion of the (Israeli or Jewish) body snatechers
So then, does this article constitute 'blood libel' against Ukrainians?: Inside a Creepy Global Body Parts Businesshttp://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,645375,00.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Invasion of the (Israeli or Jewish) body snatechers
On Sep 2, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Fred Feldman wrote: The following is a short article from the liberal US magazine American Prospect by the liberal Israeli journalist Gershom Gorenberg... I am highlighting the role that articles, available in full to all list members, play in how I carry out a political discussion... Boström himself witnessed the funeral of one Palestinian, whom he identifiesas Bilal Achmed Ghanan, in the village of Imatin. Ghanan (or Ghanem, as he's identified in a reliable listing of Palestinian fatalities) was shot byIsraeli soldiers and evacuated. When his body was returned for burial, Boström photographed the sewn-up chest...The foundation of Boström's story is... a photo of a body on which an autopsy was [allegedly] performed... ...Knowing how to respond to slander is never easy... But this is a *lie*. If it is slander, the response is childishly easy: just exhume Ghanem's body and see if any organs are missing. The refusal of the occupation authorities to do this is presumptive evidence that the story is *not* a blood libel or other slanderous falsehood. Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Invasion of the (Israeli or Jewish) body snatechers
Fred writes: This provides factual counter-information to the article from Counterpunch which has been discussed by a number of comrades from the list, in which Alison Weir claimed, based on a Swedish article, that Israel is systematically harvesting the organs of Palestinian prisoners. This is doubly incorrect. First of all, Alison Weir's article was no doubt *triggered* by the Swedish article, but it is hardly based on it. It contains extensive material covering a wide range of aspects of the subject. Secondly, the claim that Weir claims that Israel is systematically harvesting etc. is just a damn lie. Here is the final paragraph of her introduction to the article: The fact is, however, that substantiated evidence of public and private organ trafficking and theft, and allegations of worse, have been widely reported for many years. Given such context, the Swedish charges become far more plausible than might otherwise be the case and suggest that an investigation could well turn up significant information. Plausible. Suggest that an investigation could well... Hardly a claim of systematic harvesting. What the article DOES claim is that Israelis (not Israel) has been guilty of systematically engaging in black market operations to buy kidneys from people in poor countries. Finally, let's reproduce Weir's final paragraphs: Just as in the case of the rampage against Jenin, the attack on the USS liberty, the massacre of Gaza, the crushing of Rachel Corrie, the torture of American citizens, and a multitude of other examples, Israel is using its considerable, worldwide resources to interfere with the investigative process. It is difficult to conclude that it has nothing to hide. A rather clear statement. And hardly a claim that Israel is systematically harvesting the organs of Palestinian prisoners. Just an article filled with strongly suggestive evidence that it is, indeed, plausible that they are. Eli Stephens Left I on the News http://lefti.blogspot.com _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
