Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-14 Thread Victor

Steve
On Alfred Rosenberg: (Born January 12, 1893- Executed October 16, 1946)
Alfred Rosenberg was a Nazi ideologist and politician.
 Rosenberg was one of the earliest members of the German Workers Party
(later better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party), joining in January
1919; Hitler did not join until October 1919
Rosenberg became editor of the Völkischer Beobachter (National
Observer),
the Nazi party newspaper, in 1921. In 1923 after the failed Beer Hall
Putsch, Hitler appointed Rosenberg leader of the Nazi Party, a position the
latter occupied until Hitler was released from prison.
In 1929, Rosenberg founded the Militant League for German Culture. He
became
a Reichstag deputy in 1930 and published his book on racial theory The Myth
of the Twentieth Century (Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts). He was named
leader of the foreign political office of the NSDAP in 1933 but played
little actual part in office. In January 1934 he was deputized by Hitler
with responsibility for the spiritual and philosophical education of the
NSDAP and all related organizations.
   In 1940 he was made head of the Hohe Schule (literally high school),
the
Centre of National Socialistic Ideological and Educational Research.
Following the invasion of the USSR Rosenberg was appointed head of the Reich
Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories. Alfred Meyer was his deputy
and represented him at the Wannsee conference.
Rosenberg was captured by Allied troops at the end of the war. He was
tried
at Nuremberg and found guilty of conspiracy to commit crimes against peace;
planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression; war crimes; and crimes
against humanity. He was sentenced to death and executed with other guilty
co-defendants at Nuremberg on the morning of October 16, 1946.  He is
considered the main author of key Nazi ideological screeds, including its
racial theory, Lebensraum, abolition of the Versailles Treaty, and
persecution of the Jews and of Christian churches. This article is about
race as an intraspecies classification.

Just another intellectual grotesque become monster.
To separate the 
beasts from the confused.

About Bakhurst:
   Bakhurst is not only a liberal social-democrat, he's also is a
representative of exactly the kind of Logical Positivism, Neo-Kantianism,
Neo-positivism, Machism, Empirio-criticism or what have you (the precise
name of the movement is more a function of the provenience of the theorist
than of his ideas) that motivated Lenin to write Materialism and
Emperio-criticism (1908).  The irony of Bakhurst's current stature as the
interpreter of Ilyenkov is that his kind of thinking is receives more
criticism from Ilyenkov than even the objective idealism of Plato and Hegel.

Bakhurst, like D. Dubrovsky who Bakhurst wrongly calls a mechanist, just
cannot comprehend the essence of dialectical synthesis.  Where Ilyenkov
describes the essence of ideality as the unity of consciousness (the
subjectively imaged object of labour) and material formations (the material
symbolic representations that embody and thereby enable transmission of
ideal objects), Bakhurst argues that the material objects themselves are
ideal.  Material objects certainly acquire significance from their
resemblance (perhaps correspondence is a better word) to the ideal, but
material objects, i.e. physically and sensually perceived objects, as
concrete objects are far to diversified to be regarded as ideal forms.
After all, diversity is a basic property of being for both Hegelian and
Marxist theories of knowledge [check out Hegel's criticism of the identity
of A = A for this].

Dubrovsky, like Bakhurst, does not know how to handle dialectical synthesis,
and his solution of the ideal/material antinomy is to identify the ideal as
pure subjective consciousness. While Bakhurst's identification of the ideal
with the material goes beyond idealist hypostasy and takes idealist
reification to ridiculous extremes, Dubrovsky's restriction of the ideal to
pure subjectivity compels him to regard all conceptualisation as a product
of some internal transcendental features common to all human thought
processes, i.e. a purely subjectivist non-social theory of thought. Both 
Bakhurst and Dubrovsky's work are only the most recent examples of the sheer 
incapacity of non-dialectical methods of analysis to provide a rational and 
practical foundation for a natural science of culture and history.


 Dubrovsky's theories are more or less a continuation of Machist 
Marxism after Bogdanov (See Ilyenkov's Leninist Dialectics and the 
Metaphysics of Postivism (1979) 
http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/positive/index.htm for a 
digestible summary and analysis of Lenin's interminable work Materialism and 
Emperio-criticism) and Bakhunin. Bakhurst's product is simply a mistake, a 
wierd and obfuscated representation of one of the  most profound and 
brilliant of Historical 

[Marxism-Thaxis] Economics and Politics: The State and Revolution (ESSAY) by Lil Joe

2005-06-14 Thread Lil Joe


 June 1, 2005
 
  
 
 Economics and Politics: The State and Revolution
 by Lil Joe 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  
 
 Introduction
 
 In this short essay, I will argue that the essence of the State flows from
 or is a product of human sociology. In other words, what I here call the
 State at the same time embodies and mediates the technological divisions
 of labor, economies of exchange, the subsequent class formations with
 mutually exclusive economic interests, and the resultant and mutually
 opposed political factions representing classes. Every class struggle is a
 political struggle, both relative and absolute.
 
 I. The Origins Of The State
 
 The divisions of labor with their corresponding property forms produce
 conflicts of interests between the economic categories of proprietors. For
 instance, pastoral tribes or classes conflict with agricultural tribes or
 classes. The origins of the conflict in Southern Sudan exemplify the
 conflicts among pastoral and agricultural classes regarding land usage.
 These pastoral/agricultural class conflicts center on whether fertile
 lands will be allowed to remain as natural grazing lands to provide
 pastures for cattle, sheep, camels, etc., or will they be transformed by
 human labor into farm lands to grow crop in subsistence agriculture and
 commercial crops for sale. (Note: the conflict in Southern Sudan has grown
 to be more complex, but its origins can be traced back to a conflict
 between pastoral and agricultural classes, as well as conflicts between
 individual proprietors of cattle, sheep, camels, etc. for exclusive sway
 and ownership of grazing lands.)
 
 Within civil society, the State arises as a public power based in a
 military capacity to mediate the conflicts between property formations,
 and to regulate these conflicts through laws. Additionally, in civil
 society the State is used by the propertied classes to press their will on
 the property-less working classes and toiling masses. The political
 factions in the State represent class interests. Within these divisions
 and conflicts of interests arise further divisions and antagonisms. To
 regulate these proprietary conflicts and class antagonisms, the State
 arises to mediate conflict.
 
 Max Weber wrote, Like the political institutions historically preceding
 it, the state is a relation of men dominating men, a relation supported by
 means of legitimate (i.e., considered to be legitimate) violence. If the
 state is to exist, the dominated must obey the authority claimed by the
 powers that be. * Today, however, we have to say that a state is a
 human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate
 use of physical force within a given territory. * Of course, force is
 certainly not the normal or the only means of the state-nobody says
 that-but force is a means specific to the state. 
 (Max weber's definition of the modern state 1918, 
 see http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/xweb.htm.)
 
 Keeping with the earlier example of pastoral and agricultural classes,
 conflicts between the various forms of property resulting from the
 sub-divisions engenders conflicts. For instance, among farmers arose
 antagonisms between farmers who want to, for example, raise fields of
 vegetables for consumption and/or commerce, and, say, commercial farmers
 that want to produce cash crops for local and/or distant markets. The
 function of the state is to mediate conflicts between and among classes,
 to establish rules of equation, property rights, and privileges, and to
 legislate laws that are enforced by armed men. 
 
 Read Article at: http://laborpartypraxis.org/Economics.html
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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!: domains

2005-06-14 Thread Steve Gabosch

CB said:

However, analogizing to chemistry and biology, biology does not reduce to
chemistry.  Human psychology does not reduce to individual physiological
psychology.



Absolutely.  On the first point, yes, biology cannot be reduced to 
chemistry.  On the second point, I also completely agree:  in the same way 
that biology does not reduce to chemistry, psychology does not reduce to 
physiology.


These points, common among anti-reductionist thinkers such as Marxists, 
fits into a larger framework, in my opinion.  I believe that comprehending 
and explaining the relations between, the structures of, and the functions 
of domains - and doing so in terms of their real genetic-historical 
development - are among the great challenges of modern science that I 
believe dialectical materialism can play a leading role in moving 
forward.  In fact, differences in theoretical outlooks may be explainable 
by seeing conflicting views as conceptualizing domains differently - seeing 
the relations, structures, and functions of various domains in different, 
often opposite, ways.  Hence, ontology remains a hot area of dispute and 
always will as long as different class outlooks remain in mortal struggle 
and conceptualize the domains of reality in incompatible ways.


This argument of course begs for a clear explanation of what a domain 
is.  Very good question!


- Steve








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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-14 Thread Steve Gabosch

Victor,

Thanks for the refresher course on Rosenburg, which becomes a history of 
the Nazi party from 1921.  It is always good to be reminded of what 
happened in Germany.


Your comments on Dubrovsky are very interesting, as is your analysis of 
Bakhurst.  I also read your descriptions of ideality with great interest.


It would help me if, to start out, (when you have a chance), you would 
locate some specific quotes from David Bakhurst that illustrate these 
observations that you make:


Bakhurst argues that the material objects themselves are ideal.

Bakhurst's identification of the ideal with the material goes beyond 
idealist hypostasy and takes idealist reification to ridiculous extremes ...


Thanks,
- Steve



At 07:08 PM 6/14/2005 +0200, you wrote:

Steve
On Alfred Rosenberg: (Born January 12, 1893- Executed October 16, 1946)
Alfred Rosenberg was a Nazi ideologist and politician.
 Rosenberg was one of the earliest members of the German Workers Party
(later better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party), joining in January
1919; Hitler did not join until October 1919
Rosenberg became editor of the Völkischer Beobachter (National
Observer),
the Nazi party newspaper, in 1921. In 1923 after the failed Beer Hall
Putsch, Hitler appointed Rosenberg leader of the Nazi Party, a position the
latter occupied until Hitler was released from prison.
In 1929, Rosenberg founded the Militant League for German Culture. He
became
a Reichstag deputy in 1930 and published his book on racial theory The Myth
of the Twentieth Century (Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts). He was named
leader of the foreign political office of the NSDAP in 1933 but played
little actual part in office. In January 1934 he was deputized by Hitler
with responsibility for the spiritual and philosophical education of the
NSDAP and all related organizations.
   In 1940 he was made head of the Hohe Schule (literally high school),
the
Centre of National Socialistic Ideological and Educational Research.
Following the invasion of the USSR Rosenberg was appointed head of the Reich
Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories. Alfred Meyer was his deputy
and represented him at the Wannsee conference.
Rosenberg was captured by Allied troops at the end of the war. He was
tried
at Nuremberg and found guilty of conspiracy to commit crimes against peace;
planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression; war crimes; and crimes
against humanity. He was sentenced to death and executed with other guilty
co-defendants at Nuremberg on the morning of October 16, 1946.  He is
considered the main author of key Nazi ideological screeds, including its
racial theory, Lebensraum, abolition of the Versailles Treaty, and
persecution of the Jews and of Christian churches. This article is about
race as an intraspecies classification.

Just another intellectual grotesque become monster.
To separate the 
beasts from the confused.

About Bakhurst:
   Bakhurst is not only a liberal social-democrat, he's also is a
representative of exactly the kind of Logical Positivism, Neo-Kantianism,
Neo-positivism, Machism, Empirio-criticism or what have you (the precise
name of the movement is more a function of the provenience of the theorist
than of his ideas) that motivated Lenin to write Materialism and
Emperio-criticism (1908).  The irony of Bakhurst's current stature as the
interpreter of Ilyenkov is that his kind of thinking is receives more
criticism from Ilyenkov than even the objective idealism of Plato and Hegel.

Bakhurst, like D. Dubrovsky who Bakhurst wrongly calls a mechanist, just
cannot comprehend the essence of dialectical synthesis.  Where Ilyenkov
describes the essence of ideality as the unity of consciousness (the
subjectively imaged object of labour) and material formations (the material
symbolic representations that embody and thereby enable transmission of
ideal objects), Bakhurst argues that the material objects themselves are
ideal.  Material objects certainly acquire significance from their
resemblance (perhaps correspondence is a better word) to the ideal, but
material objects, i.e. physically and sensually perceived objects, as
concrete objects are far to diversified to be regarded as ideal forms.
After all, diversity is a basic property of being for both Hegelian and
Marxist theories of knowledge [check out Hegel's criticism of the identity
of A = A for this].

Dubrovsky, like Bakhurst, does not know how to handle dialectical synthesis,
and his solution of the ideal/material antinomy is to identify the ideal as
pure subjective consciousness. While Bakhurst's identification of the ideal
with the material goes beyond idealist hypostasy and takes idealist
reification to ridiculous extremes, Dubrovsky's restriction of the ideal to
pure subjectivity compels him to regard all conceptualisation as a product
of some internal transcendental features common to all human thought
processes, i.e. a 

[Marxism-Thaxis] just testing, please ignore

2005-06-14 Thread Steve Gabosch

just testing, please ignore



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