Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008

2010-11-28 Thread CeJ
>
> "Substance" of what? Finance capital remains fianance capital but it is not
>  the financial industrial capital of the time of Lenin.
>
> Here's something from 2002.
>
> WL.

Do you even read your own posts? You are the one who used the word
'substance'. I merely echoed it in my reply.

Again what you haven't done is shown how capital has pushed into a new
ontological category. Warren Buffett warned about the dangers of the
newer derivatives, and then bet billions on them because he didn't
want to get left out of the drive for 20% plus profits.

The whole notion of derivative is not new at all.

CJ
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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx on the proletariat as ruling class

2010-11-28 Thread Peggy Dobbins


Peggy Powell Dobbins 
Sociology as an Art Form
www.peggydobbins.net


I don't really try to contribute to speculation about how the state withers 
into communist society with the disappearance of class antagonisms.  I would 
never conflate the state with the people. I guess you are referring to the 
cpussr's line late in their bloom, not implying I confuse them.  You will enjoy 
Mr I-phone's program: i had  to back tap because it changed to "voided" when I 
tapped "cpussr", and now for "cpussr" gives "no replacement found" in a, yes, 
pink balloon.

I had more to say in reply to waistline, but art divinely intervenes: "hold, 
enough" as wasn't it someone's ghost who said?
P

Nov 27, 2010, at 1:07 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> The question then arises: What transformation will the state undergo  in 
> communist society? In other words, what social functions will remain in  
> existence there that are analogous to present state functions? This question 
> can 
> only be answered scientifically, and one does not get a flea-hop nearer to 
> the  problem by a thousand-fold combination of the word 'people' with the  
> word  'state'.

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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did Vladimir Lenin Predict The Banking Disaster Of 2008?

2010-11-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/28/2010 2:27:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_jann...@gmail.com_ (mailto:jann...@gmail.com)  writes: 
 
>> What you haven't done is make any coherent argument that would  convince 
me that the substance has changed that much during the past 130 years.  Of 
course there are those who have made the quantitative argument but you 
didn't  do that either here.<< 
 
CJ 
 
Reply 
 
"Substance" of what? Finance capital remains fianance capital but it is not 
 the financial industrial capital of the time of Lenin. 
 
Here's something from 2002. 
 
WL. 
 

The dangers of derivatives By Henry C K Liu 
 
Recession in advanced economies, induced by the oil shock of 1973, pushed  
transnational banks to find borrowers in developing economies to accommodate 
 petro-dollar recycling. That marked the beginning of finance globalization 
 which, among other trends, replaced foreign aid with foreign loans to  
developing  countries. In the beginning, the petro-dollar recycling was  merely 
to compensate  the developing nations for the sudden rise in oil  prices. 
 
Later, the surplus oil money not absorbed by Western markets was pushed on  
beguiled Third World governments as petro-dollar loans for development,  
leading  the developing world into a bottomless abyss of foreign debt. Not  
only was the  anticipated growth in the developing world not realized by  
foreign-debt-driven  exports, debt repayment became increasingly punitive  on 
the domestic economies  as lender nations adopted anti-inflationary  measures 
by the end of the 1970s. 
 
Negotiations between borrowing countries and major international bank  
creditors were intermediated by International Monetary Fund (IMF) endorsement 
of 
 structural adjustment (austerity) programs in borrowing countries that  
spelled  reduced government social spending, currency devaluation and  export 
promotion  policies that distorted and reversed domestic  development. 
Domestic austerity  became the ticket to new foreign loans for  servicing old 
foreign loans, and the  servicing of the new loans in turn  required more 
domestic austerity, driving  Third World economies toward a  downward spiral of 
accelerating contraction and  deeper foreign  indebtedness. But the 
oppressive pressure from the IMF in the  1980s was  not anywhere near as severe 
as 
that after the financial crises of the   1990s. 
 
The financial crises faced by newly industrialized economies (NIEs) in the  
1990s were significantly different from the foreign debt crises in the  
developing countries in the previous decade. Different forms of foreign funds  
flowed to different recipients in developing countries during the two  
periods.  More importantly, derivatives emerged as an integral part of  funds 
flow in the  1990s. 
 
Derivatives played an unprecedented key role in the Asian financial crisis  
of 1997, alongside the growth of fund flows to Asian NIEs, as part of  
financial  globalization in unregulated global foreign exchange, capital  and 
debt markets.  Derivatives facilitate the growth in private fund flows  by 
unbundling the risks  associated with financial vehicles, such as bank  loans, 
stocks, bonds and direct  physical investment, and reallocating the  risks 
more efficiently by expanding  the distribution and the level of  aggregate 
risk. They also facilitate efforts  by many financial entities to  raise 
their risk-to-capital ratios to dodge  regulatory safeguards,  manipulate 
accounting rules and evade taxation. Foreign  exchange forwards  and swaps are 
used to hedge against floating exchange rates as  well as to  speculate on 
fixed exchange rate vulnerability, while total return  swaps  (TRS) are used to 
capture "carry trade" profit from interest rate   differential between 
pegged currencies. 
 
Structured notes, also known as hybrid instruments, which are the  
combination of a credit market instrument, such as a bond or note, with a  
derivative such as an option or futures-like contract, are used to circumvent  
accounting rules and prudential regulations in order to offer investors higher, 
 
though riskier, returns. Viewed at the macroeconomic level, derivatives first 
 make the economy more susceptible to financial crisis and then quicken and 
 deepen the downturn once the crisis begins. Since investors can only be  
seduced  to higher risk by raising the return on higher risk, the quest for  
high return  raises the aggregate risk in the financial system. But  
investors always demand a  profit above their risk exposure which will  leave 
some 
residual risk unfunded in  the financial system. It is in fact a  
socialization of unfunded risk with a  privatization of the incremental  
commensurate 
returns. 
 

(_http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DE23Dj01.html_ 
(http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DE23Dj01.html) )
 
 

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