[Marxism-Thaxis] Contradiction in text
wikipedia on Krupskaya: Although she was highly regarded within the party, Krupskaya was unable to prevent Joseph Stalin's consolidation of power after Lenin's death[citation needed]. She was then politically isolated by Stalin and his supporters.[citation needed] Krupskaya apparently favored Stalin in the great debates between the Left Opposition and the CPSU majority of the 1920s. In 1925, she attacked Trotsky in a polemic that was in response to Trotsky's tract The Need To Study October. In it, she stated that Marxist analysis was never Comrade Trotsky’s strong point.[11] In relation to the debate around Socialism in one country versus Permanent Revolution, she asserted that Trotsky under-estimates the role played by the peasantry.[12] Furthermore, she held that Trotsky had misinterpreted the revolutionary situation in post-WWI Germany.[13] ^^ CB: If she apparently favored Stalin, the implication would be not that she was politically isolated by Stalin, but was politically aligned with Stalin. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
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Of course lots of people who were politically aligned with Stalin in the 1920s eventually found themselves in a labor camp or looking at the wrong end of a gun later on. Just ask Bukharin. Jim F. http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant -- Original Message -- From: c b cb31...@gmail.com To: Forum for the discussion of theoretical issues raised by Karl Marx and the thinkers he inspired marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu, a-l...@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Contradiction in text Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:10:33 -0500 wikipedia on Krupskaya: Although she was highly regarded within the party, Krupskaya was unable to prevent Joseph Stalin's consolidation of power after Lenin's death[citation needed]. She was then politically isolated by Stalin and his supporters.[citation needed] Krupskaya apparently favored Stalin in the great debates between the Left Opposition and the CPSU majority of the 1920s. In 1925, she attacked Trotsky in a polemic that was in response to Trotsky's tract The Need To Study October. In it, she stated that Marxist analysis was never Comrade Trotskys strong point.[11] In relation to the debate around Socialism in one country versus Permanent Revolution, she asserted that Trotsky under-estimates the role played by the peasantry.[12] Furthermore, she held that Trotsky had misinterpreted the revolutionary situation in post-WWI Germany.[13] ^^ CB: If she apparently favored Stalin, the implication would be not that she was politically isolated by Stalin, but was politically aligned with Stalin. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=_qHxab1yoyfSE2Cs_DN4gQAAJ1AP8ttsZd_TbiVxkZxsC3mBAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
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On Feb 3, 2010, at 1:16 PM, farmela...@juno.com wrote: Of course lots of people who were politically aligned with Stalin in the 1920s eventually found themselves in a labor camp or looking at the wrong end of a gun later on. Just ask Bukharin... ...Krupskaya apparently favored Stalin in the great debates between the Left Opposition and the CPSU majority of the 1920s. In 1925, she attacked Trotsky in a polemic that was in response to Trotsky's tract The Need To Study October... CB: If she apparently favored Stalin, the implication would be not that she was politically isolated by Stalin, but was politically aligned with Stalin. The truth is that Krupskaya was politically aligned with Zinoviev. In 1925 Zinoviev was in a bloc with Stalin (and against Bukharin and Trotsky) and so Krupskaya echoed his attacks against Trotsky. In 1926-1927 Zinoviev was politically aligned with Trotsky in the United Opposition and Krupskaya likewise. Similarly, Bukharin through the mid-1920's (until late 1927) was aligned against Zinoviev and Trotsky, and so aligned with Stalin. If the Stalin apparatus had not abolished political life inside the CPSU at the end of 1927, Bukharin would have become aligned with Trotsky in 1928. The economic policy discussion (which Stalin systematically avoided while single-mindedly building the bureaucratic apparatus on which his subsequent totalitarian misrule was to be based) determining those alliances is best described in the brilliant book by Alexander Erlich, The Soviet Industrialization Debate, 1924-1928. Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Contradiction in text
On 2/3/10, farmela...@juno.com farmela...@juno.com wrote: Of course lots of people who were politically aligned with Stalin in the 1920s eventually found themselves in a labor camp or looking at the wrong end of a gun later on. Just ask Bukharin. Jim F. http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant CB: Krupskaya wasn't in a labor camp or at the wrong end of a gun, so This wikipedia note says she was unable to prevent Stalin's consolidation of power, implying that she was trying to prevent Stalin's consolidation of power. But why would she be trying to prevent his consolidation of power if Krupskaya apparently favored Stalin in the great debates between the Left Opposition and the CPSU majority of the 1920s. -- Original Message -- From: c b cb31...@gmail.com To: Forum for the discussion of theoretical issues raised by Karl Marx and the thinkers he inspired marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu, a-l...@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Contradiction in text Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:10:33 -0500 wikipedia on Krupskaya: Although she was highly regarded within the party, Krupskaya was unable to prevent Joseph Stalin's consolidation of power after Lenin's death[citation needed]. She was then politically isolated by Stalin and his supporters.[citation needed] Krupskaya apparently favored Stalin in the great debates between the Left Opposition and the CPSU majority of the 1920s. In 1925, she attacked Trotsky in a polemic that was in response to Trotsky's tract The Need To Study October. In it, she stated that Marxist analysis was never Comrade Trotsky’s strong point.[11] In relation to the debate around Socialism in one country versus Permanent Revolution, she asserted that Trotsky under-estimates the role played by the peasantry.[12] Furthermore, she held that Trotsky had misinterpreted the revolutionary situation in post-WWI Germany.[13] ^^ CB: If she apparently favored Stalin, the implication would be not that she was politically isolated by Stalin, but was politically aligned with Stalin. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=_qHxab1yoyfSE2Cs_DN4gQAAJ1AP8ttsZd_TbiVxkZxsC3mBAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Contradiction in text
On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:58 PM, c b wrote: On 2/3/10, farmela...@juno.com farmela...@juno.com wrote: Of course lots of people who were politically aligned with Stalin in the 1920s eventually found themselves in a labor camp or looking at the wrong end of a gun later on. Just ask Bukharin. Jim F. http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant CB: Krupskaya wasn't in a labor camp or at the wrong end of a gun, so This wikipedia note says she was unable to prevent Stalin's consolidation of power, implying that she was trying to prevent Stalin's consolidation of power. But why would she be trying to prevent his consolidation of power if Krupskaya apparently favored Stalin in the great debates between the Left Opposition and the CPSU majority of the 1920s. Thus does Wikipedia stupidity end up in Thaxis inanity. As I pointed out today, Krupskaya was a Zinovievite; with Stalin against Trotsky when that was Zinoviev's stance, with Trotsky against Stalin when Zinoviev joined Trotsky to form the United Opposition in 1926. As to Stalin's role in the great debates of the 1920's--let me quote the title of Erlich's chapter on Stalin: An Exercise in Evasion. And the CPSU majority (the members, not the apparatus) favored either Bukharin or Trotsky, with Stalin acting only within the apparatus and the Central Committee it controlled by manipulation and indirect election. Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
