Steve,
Enjoyed it immensely. Also helped considerably in "finalizing" (if that's
possible) the concepts I've been working with. Must do it again some time.
Regards,
Oudeyis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gabosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Forum for the discussion of theoretical issues raised by Karl Marx and
thethinkers he inspired" <marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 13:36
Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst (response
toarrowlessness)
At 12:00 PM 7/5/2005 +0200, Oudeyis wrote: "Steve, I really do not have
enough time to devote to answering this message as it deserves. So please
excuse the briefness of my responses."
No problem at all. I am happy to let that response be the last major word
on this discussion for now, which we can certainly return to when time
permits.
As for the final question asked, "What say you comrade?" I say, thank you
for the stimulating discussion, we'll get back to these important and
stimulating topics as time goes on.
Below are some passages that stand out for me as excellent thinking and
research points for me to work with.
Victor suggests, asks, points out:
* that I am "... arguing that all reflective thought is ideal ..."
* "So what do you call reality? Ilyenkov is quite clear as to what he
calls reality ..."
* "What is virgin materiality? If by virgin materiality you mean that
part of nature men have yet to have contacted ..."
* Sorry, but I'm afraid your argument that thought as a function of
practice and thought as received social wisdom are both ideal are not
acceptable to me or to Ilyenkov."
* "Your views that all reflective thought is ideal is much more consistent
with the views of Lukacs, Adorno, Marcuse and Horkheimer and more recently
of Habermas than with Ilyenkov ..."
* "... you've determined that all human consciousness is ideal ..."
* "Wow! I wrote the previous paragraph before reading this one ..."
* " ... you are confirming my description of your argument as more
consistent with Critical Theory than with EVI's Marxist-Leninism."
* "The identification of scientific theory as an integral part of the
ideal is an invention of Lukacs that was expanded by his Critical Theorist
epigones."
* "At no point does Ilyenkov describe scientific work as ideal."
* "What say you comrade?" Oudeyis
I say: thanks again,
- Steve
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