Re: Unity redefines F10
[Theodore Kilgore, 2011-04-30] One of the reasons the don't bother about keeping the mc keys is that they do not put mc in the distro. Why I have no idea as it is the first thing I have to add. Well, AFAIR the same could be said about several distros, starting with Debian (which might account for mc being missing in the default Ubuntu install) and, I think, Red Hat as well. Why? I have no idea, either. yeah, I don't understand why they all do not include mc even in the = 200 MiB installations. The system is not usable without mc after all. They also should include my favourite $FOO application! What? Other 10 million users didn't even hear about $FOO? Well, that's their problem. I want my $FOO in default installation because I'm too lazy to prepare preseed file, put it somewhere on the web and later start the installer with url=http://mysever/debian_installer_preseed; as it requires even more work than apt-get install mc after the installation. Distro bastards! -- Piotr Ożarowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645 ___ mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Control-backslash doesn't work on console in MC
Hi, I have installed MC 4.7.0.9 on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system. I'm using MC on the console, on the so called Virtual Terminals. I have setup console with the console-tools: # dpkg-reconfigure console-setup console-setup configuration Code used on the console: UTF-8 Character set on the console: Latin2 - central Europe and Romanian Characters on the console: Terminus Font size: 8x16 When in console I can write the backslash character with AltGr+Q key combination, but when in MC I can't so when in MC I do AltGr+Q I get a dialog where one can setup the highlighting end. Now I expect when in MC that when I hit Ctrl+AltGr+Q to get the directory hotlist, but instead nothing happen. In the MC I have setup the Input/Output: UTF-8 and 8 bit input. What am I missing here? How can I solve this problem? Any advices will be appreciated! -- Regards, Paul ___ mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Unity redefines F10
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:27 +0200, Piotr Ozarowski wrote: yeah, I don't understand why they all do not include mc even in the = 200 MiB installations. The system is not usable without mc after all. Hi Piotr! Actually, do you know what are the criteria in place for making the selection? The popcon data or what? I've seen people filling a whishlist bug against Ubuntu, but given that these distro bastards are consistently making the system less usable by keyboard people to the benefit of mouse draggers (one recent achievement was a brilliant change in the /etc/inputrc, which hasn't been modified for years!), I think there is little chance it will ever get there... I'm pretty sure the pointing devices wiseguys own the joints all over the place, and they might even be already on my track now that I am denouncing this publicly... g -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev ___ mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Control-backslash doesn't work on console in MC
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 12:06 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: Now I expect when in MC that when I hit Ctrl+AltGr+Q to get the directory hotlist, but instead nothing happen. Why this is what you expect, are the keycodes generated supposed to be the same? Why you are using these AltGr combinations at all, you don't have backslash on your keyboard? -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev ___ mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Unity redefines F10
* Jabba Laci jabba.l...@gmail.com [110429 00:06]: Hi, I installed the new Ubuntu (11.04) today and I noticed that Unity redefines F10, thus quitting from mc is not that easy anymore. Now I'm using ESC + 0, but F10 would be better. Do you know how to get back F10 in Unity? I haven't found it yet. I am running Ubuntu netbook remix (10.10) on my Asus netbook. After I installed it, I could not successfully remap any of the keys. Shortly after that, I found that I had the alternative of logging in with the gnome desktop and was happy to leave unity behind. Have you tried booting into gnome, going to preferences and setting up keymapping there, then rebooting to unity and see what has happened? BTW: I'm with T. Kilgore and others that MC could provide more remapping features, but there might be some answers on the ubuntu forums. Or it might be worthwhile to make a complaint or a bug report about the unity feature. HTW -- Tim tim at johnsons-web dot com or akwebsoft dot com http://www.akwebsoft.com ___ mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Unity redefines F10
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011, Yury V. Zaytsev wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:27 +0200, Piotr Ozarowski wrote: yeah, I don't understand why they all do not include mc even in the = 200 MiB installations. The system is not usable without mc after all. Hi Piotr! Actually, do you know what are the criteria in place for making the selection? The popcon data or what? I've seen people filling a whishlist bug against Ubuntu, but given that these distro bastards are consistently making the system less usable by keyboard people to the benefit of mouse draggers (one recent achievement was a brilliant change in the /etc/inputrc, which hasn't been modified for years!), I think there is little chance it will ever get there... I'm pretty sure the pointing devices wiseguys own the joints all over the place, and they might even be already on my track now that I am denouncing this publicly... g Yury, First: Not all the distros are the same about things like this. Tried Slackware lately, which is still going strong after all these years? Second: There really are problems to solve as far as keymappings are concerned. To me, it seems that the big issue is the switch over to Unicode. As one consequence of this, some of the MC keymappings are really messed up in the X environment unless one takes some kind of special action. Most particularly, the ones involving Alt- combinations. I wonder if there are any long-range plans to deal with that. Third: The issue of other keyboards besides American or English is a serious one. The message about the Hungarian keyboard strikes rather close to home. My wife is Hungarian. She decided years ago to adjust to the US keyboard, on the grounds that not to do so would have made things even worse. But it took her a while at the beginning. I do not know if you know that the y and z key locations are opposite to what is done in English? This dates back to the days of the bread-powered typewriter. As to your complaints about mouse draggers I am not sure I would have indulged in your colorful language, at least not in print. But unfortunately, the mouse draggers as you refer to them seem to act in total ignorance of the traditional strengths of Linux and its predecessor, Unix. In this apparent ignorance, they have tended to do rather too many things which are in-one's-face. The following describes one of the consequences of this wilful ignorance: An application program should be willing to coexist with the directory hierarchy which exists on a user's machine instead of telling the user where things are supposed to be kept. If one goes to a certain directory where one keeps files of type X and starts application X_processor, then X_processor ought to look for its fodder in $PWD, as the first default. Some applications with graphical content are good about this. But some otherwise very nice applications (office suites, for example, and some image viewing programs) fail miserably, and quite consciously so. The designers have decided so (and have sometimes told me so when I submitted bug reports) based upon the design philosopy of the project. What that boils down to is that the design philosopy of their project presumes to tell me how I am supposed to organize the files and applications on _my_ computer instead of letting me make my own decisions about that. I don't think that is funny. The similar behavior of Windows 95 was one of my main motivations to seek out Linux, way back in 1996. Alas, all of the above is so unnecessary. All that would be needed would be for a few of the mouse draggers actually to learn something about the history and origins of the operating system and environment which they claim to be improving, and then everyone could be much happier. Theodore Kilgore ___ mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Control-backslash doesn't work on console in MC
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:36:34 +0200 Csanyi Pal wrote: I expect that Ctrl+AltGr+Q should gives the Control-backslash, that is the directory hotlist. Please run cat, press Ctrl+AltGr+Q and show the result here. -- Andrew ___ mc mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
