Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Hi, I’ve received several questions during the past days which possibly makes sense to summarize in a single topic [1] which I can then reference. Hopefully this specific post will help anyone looking for the same set of answers as well. If any additional common question arises I’ll make sure to add it to this same topic in Discourse. Thanks and please let us know if you have any questions around Discourse or your onboarding process! [1] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Andrea Veri wrote: > Hi, > > As we have been communicating during the past few months GNOME's Mailman > platform is being decommissioned (python2 deprecation, major burden in > managing lists spam). The deadline is currently set to the end of October > 2022. Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags you can re-use to > initiate a new topic in the new platform, if a tag is missing please reach > out to me directly. > > Jehan (from the GIMP Team) kindly provided some instructions you can > follow [3] in order to safely migrate your reading workflow to Discourse. > The new platform supports several login methods including your GNOME > Account and other major OpenID providers. > > After the deadline of the end of October Mailman archives will remain > alive in read only mode for posterity. If the mailing list was used behind > an alias, please let me know so we can re-do the same setup but on > Discourse instead. > > Thanks, > > P.S All the l10n lists are still pending code changes in damned-lies, the > deadline to decommission those lists may slip by a week or two depending > how soon those changes will be made available in DL codebase > > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org > [2] > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2022-September/msg00018.html > [3] > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/welcome-to-gimp-forum-on-gnome-discourse/11534/5 > > -- > Cheers, > Andrea > > Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, > GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, > Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, > GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it > -- Cheers, Andrea Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Hi, I’ve received several questions during the past days which possibly makes sense to summarize in a single topic [1] which I can then reference. Hopefully this specific post will help anyone looking for the same set of answers as well. If any additional common question arises I’ll make sure to add it to this same topic in Discourse. Thanks and please let us know if you have any questions around Discourse or your onboarding process! [1] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Andrea Veri wrote: > Hi, > > As we have been communicating during the past few months GNOME's Mailman > platform is being decommissioned (python2 deprecation, major burden in > managing lists spam). The deadline is currently set to the end of October > 2022. Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags you can re-use to > initiate a new topic in the new platform, if a tag is missing please reach > out to me directly. > > Jehan (from the GIMP Team) kindly provided some instructions you can > follow [3] in order to safely migrate your reading workflow to Discourse. > The new platform supports several login methods including your GNOME > Account and other major OpenID providers. > > After the deadline of the end of October Mailman archives will remain > alive in read only mode for posterity. If the mailing list was used behind > an alias, please let me know so we can re-do the same setup but on > Discourse instead. > > Thanks, > > P.S All the l10n lists are still pending code changes in damned-lies, the > deadline to decommission those lists may slip by a week or two depending > how soon those changes will be made available in DL codebase > > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org > [2] > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2022-September/msg00018.html > [3] > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/welcome-to-gimp-forum-on-gnome-discourse/11534/5 > > -- > Cheers, > Andrea > > Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, > GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, > Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, > GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it > -- Cheers, Andrea Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
* On 2022 21 Oct 12:22 -0500, Felix Miata via mc wrote: > Nate Bargmann composed on 2022-10-21 11:52 (UTC-0500): > > > The best would be if an email host could be found to take over > > this very low traffic but essential list. > > OS/2 mailing lists moved years ago from yahoogroups to https://groups.io/ > which > for me was welcome. At one time groups.io was allowing transfers for no cost. I am not sure if that is still the case. I do recall that above a certain subscriber base there were charges that applied to some groups I am a member of. Perhaps my only negative I can lodge against groups.io is that they insert a text block into the message that breaks cryptographic signed messages. Other than that the service has been fine. A lot of people do use it through its Web interface and I find its Web interface a good compromise between an email list and a Web forum. I certainly prefer it to Discourse. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Nate Bargmann composed on 2022-10-21 11:52 (UTC-0500): > The best would be if an email host could be found to take over > this very low traffic but essential list. OS/2 mailing lists moved years ago from yahoogroups to https://groups.io/ which for me was welcome. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
* On 2022 21 Oct 02:22 -0500, wwp via mc wrote: > Hello, > > well, now users (us) will have to go search for services (forum) instead of > getting service delivered at home (ML), that's definitely a different > approach and no real way to customize the delivery of such service. I agree. I dislike Discourse but now if I want to follow the old GTK mailing list I have to login there. What really turns me off on it is the automatic locking of topics after a very short time (two weeks?) which is ridiculous as sometimes it takes much longer for an issue to resurface and get resolved. Then a user is left with having to start a new thread and hope that readers will follow a link to the locked thread for context. The conversation becomes quite disjointed and nearly useless. My experience with Discourse between two projects is that it is pandering and rather childish with the meaningless awards and congratulations it generates. It's really quite an annoying thing. > I don't clearly see the point in doing this, instead. of course, > because of trying to tie everyone into clicks and monetization, what > the web has now become. Emails are free and free of such monetization, > the current web cannot allow this to keep going (see what Google did > to emails). People I talked about this major turn around me are just > disgusted and don't really want to run into web forums and live in a > web browser. Prepare to see the audience being really different since > now! IIUC, this list was set up under the GNOME umbrella many years ago as the main developer then was one of the founders of GNOME. Midnight Commander has about zero to do with GNOME these days and other than this list being hosted on GNOME servers, it seems to be an independent project. The best would be if an email host could be found to take over this very low traffic but essential list. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
I did not tested that, but as written by Andrea, discourse has a email interface: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 On Fri, 21 Oct 2022, wwp via mc wrote: Hello, well, now users (us) will have to go search for services (forum) instead of getting service delivered at home (ML), that's definitely a different approach and no real way to customize the delivery of such service. I don't clearly see the point in doing this, instead. of course, because of trying to tie everyone into clicks and monetization, what the web has now become. Emails are free and free of such monetization, the current web cannot allow this to keep going (see what Google did to emails). People I talked about this major turn around me are just disgusted and don't really want to run into web forums and live in a web browser. Prepare to see the audience being really different since now! Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Hello, well, now users (us) will have to go search for services (forum) instead of getting service delivered at home (ML), that's definitely a different approach and no real way to customize the delivery of such service. I don't clearly see the point in doing this, instead. of course, because of trying to tie everyone into clicks and monetization, what the web has now become. Emails are free and free of such monetization, the current web cannot allow this to keep going (see what Google did to emails). People I talked about this major turn around me are just disgusted and don't really want to run into web forums and live in a web browser. Prepare to see the audience being really different since now! Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgp4aCPJZkH5X.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Hello, well, now users (us) will have to go search for services (forum) instead of getting service delivered at home (ML), that's definitely a different approach and no real way to customize the delivery of such service. I don't clearly see the point in doing this, instead. of course, because of trying to tie everyone into clicks and monetization, what the web has now become. Emails are free and free of such monetization, the current web cannot allow this to keep going (see what Google did to emails). People I talked about this major turn around me are just disgusted and don't really want to run into web forums and live in a web browser. Prepare to see the audience being really different since now! Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgpIoW_HdRM_z.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Felix, tagging means adding a tag to a specific thread that is created to make sure it can easily be filtered out and most importantly it can easily be configured as a watcher (i.e the process that allows you to receive an email when a new email / response has been added to a thread). Our Discourse instance already has a tag called "mc", which can be used to tag a specific thread at creation time (or later on in the process) to make sure it gets properly filtered for contributors that are only interested in mc conversations. Each Discourse category comes with an email endpoint, let's say you want to create a new thread under the Applications category, you can send an email to the applicati...@discourse.gnome.org email and it gets automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with Mailman. In the background we can configure an automatic tag, that is whenever the Midnight Commander or MC word is mentioned (similar to what happens today with Mailman list name tag on subjects) the "mc" tag is automatically added to your thread, that eases consumption by your contributors which have watchers defined for the "mc" tag. Other interesting information: Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse: 1. Go to Notifications Tags at https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/tags 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how many notifications you want to get) Docs: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94 How to interact with Discourse via email: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 Docs about personal notification settings: https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/notifications Let me know if you need further help, I'll be more than happy to help your transition. Thanks! On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 7:55 PM Felix Miata wrote: > Andrea Veri composed on 2022-10-20 13:09 (UTC+0200): > > > Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags > ... > > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org > > I went there. I saw nothing obviously having anything to do with MC on > home page > or on applications page. MC definitely doesn't require anything to do with > Gnome. > What is "tagging"? How about providing some useful instruction for people > who have > only ever used mailing lists for GNU/Linux app support? > -- > Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > based on faith, not based on science. > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata > -- Cheers, Andrea Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Felix, tagging means adding a tag to a specific thread that is created to make sure it can easily be filtered out and most importantly it can easily be configured as a watcher (i.e the process that allows you to receive an email when a new email / response has been added to a thread). Our Discourse instance already has a tag called "mc", which can be used to tag a specific thread at creation time (or later on in the process) to make sure it gets properly filtered for contributors that are only interested in mc conversations. Each Discourse category comes with an email endpoint, let's say you want to create a new thread under the Applications category, you can send an email to the applicati...@discourse.gnome.org email and it gets automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with Mailman. In the background we can configure an automatic tag, that is whenever the Midnight Commander or MC word is mentioned (similar to what happens today with Mailman list name tag on subjects) the "mc" tag is automatically added to your thread, that eases consumption by your contributors which have watchers defined for the "mc" tag. Other interesting information: Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse: 1. Go to Notifications Tags at https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/tags 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how many notifications you want to get) Docs: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94 How to interact with Discourse via email: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 Docs about personal notification settings: https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/notifications Let me know if you need further help, I'll be more than happy to help your transition. Thanks! On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 7:55 PM Felix Miata wrote: > Andrea Veri composed on 2022-10-20 13:09 (UTC+0200): > > > Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags > ... > > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org > > I went there. I saw nothing obviously having anything to do with MC on > home page > or on applications page. MC definitely doesn't require anything to do with > Gnome. > What is "tagging"? How about providing some useful instruction for people > who have > only ever used mailing lists for GNU/Linux app support? > -- > Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > based on faith, not based on science. > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata > -- Cheers, Andrea Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 01:55:33PM -0400, Felix Miata via mc-devel wrote: > Andrea Veri composed on 2022-10-20 13:09 (UTC+0200): > > > Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags > ... > > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org > > I went there. I saw nothing obviously having anything to do with MC on home > page > or on applications page. MC definitely doesn't require anything to do with > Gnome. > What is "tagging"? How about providing some useful instruction for people who > have > only ever used mailing lists for GNU/Linux app support? > -- > Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > based on faith, not based on science. > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata > ___ > mc-devel mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel It's an historical thing: mc's virtual fs was the fundation of the Gnome project file manager virtual file system abstraction. Miguel de Icasa was one of mc main developers and it used it for Gnome... -- Amike, Marco Ciampa ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Andrea Veri composed on 2022-10-20 13:09 (UTC+0200): > Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags ... > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org I went there. I saw nothing obviously having anything to do with MC on home page or on applications page. MC definitely doesn't require anything to do with Gnome. What is "tagging"? How about providing some useful instruction for people who have only ever used mailing lists for GNU/Linux app support? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ mc mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
Re: Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Andrea Veri composed on 2022-10-20 13:09 (UTC+0200): > Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags ... > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org I went there. I saw nothing obviously having anything to do with MC on home page or on applications page. MC definitely doesn't require anything to do with Gnome. What is "tagging"? How about providing some useful instruction for people who have only ever used mailing lists for GNU/Linux app support? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
