Re: Disable cvs/savannah

2009-02-13 Thread Pavel Tsekov
Hello Patrick,

Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 5:01:29 PM, you wrote:

 In order to get everything into shape it would be cool if someone could leave
 a big fat note in cvs that the new repro can be found at www.midnight-
 commander.org.

The new repo is not officially approved, so it might be clearly
considered a fork of the offical MC project.

Best regards,
Pavel Tsekov



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Re: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-13 Thread Pavel Tsekov
Hello Slava,

You might not be aware but I am (still) one of the two official MC
maintainers.

Thursday, December 18, 2008, 2:23:07 AM, you wrote:

 Hello, dear developers! It is no secret that the recent console manager
 Midnight Commander stopped in its development. We do not know the
 reasons why this is happening, but we badly want to see its further
 development. In fact, the Midnight Commander is developing further, but
 distributions in the form of patches, for each distribution its own set
 of patches. In fact, there are many versions of modern MS for each
 distribution.

Please, cool down a bit. The various distributions usually have a set
of patches to MC but the most important one is the UTF-8 patch. The
rest are usually of much lesser interest.

 Our team was formed recently, we have only just begun working on
 Midnight Commander, we have yet to be established, the relationship
 within the team have formed. But we are striving to become a team, which
 will be beneficial to all fans MC (a lot of them). Already, we have
 created assembly, which could satisfy both users of Debian/Ubuntu,
 FreeBSD and Gentoo, and users of Red Hat Linux distributions, Open Suse,
 MandRiva etc.

 You may have to apologize already issued release mc-4.6.3 (actually, we
 do not have the right to publish under that name). It is better to ask
 forgiveness than permission..  :)

You should have done it the proper way by trying to communicate your
changes with official MC instead of making a yet another fork. You
team has just formed and no one knows for how long it will last, nor
what your aims are. Many like you have appeared in the past and soon
lost interest in their own creation. If you are unaware of that fact
you might want to check the archives.

 We are a young team, we ask that you permit the continued development of
 Midnight Commander it was under this name. Also, please refer to us the
 files CVS repository for the preservation of history and development of
 the names of all people, ever participated in the development mc. We
 understand that this may be shocking request, but nevertheless, we hope
 to receive any response - if the answer is we simply will Forque, which
 we hope will develop further. We want to see MC very comfortable and
 pleasant, not as it is now.

Please, try to follow the traditional way of doing things. If you
really want to become a MC developer, be so kind, to do it the proper
way which means post your changes to the mailing list, discuss issues
and so on. You don't become a project member and developer by just
waiting for the right moment, appearing on the scene and taking over
of everything.

Best regards,
Pavel Tsekov



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Re: Further Midnight Commander development

2009-02-13 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello,

I agree with the sentiments expressed by Pavel Tsekov.   If you guys
have collected a new set of patches to Midnight Commander, let us get
those patches posted to the tracking software in midnight-commander.org
and discuss those changes as a community.

Pavel is right that many forks have been created over the years,
probably about a dozen, and either the efforts have died in the worst
cases, or in the better cases, we managed to integrate the code back
into the main repository.

The Midnight Commander development community is small and it is in
my opinion a step backwards to fragment it at this point.

Miguel.

 Hello Slava,
 
 You might not be aware but I am (still) one of the two official MC
 maintainers.
 
 Thursday, December 18, 2008, 2:23:07 AM, you wrote:
 
  Hello, dear developers! It is no secret that the recent console manager
  Midnight Commander stopped in its development. We do not know the
  reasons why this is happening, but we badly want to see its further
  development. In fact, the Midnight Commander is developing further, but
  distributions in the form of patches, for each distribution its own set
  of patches. In fact, there are many versions of modern MS for each
  distribution.
 
 Please, cool down a bit. The various distributions usually have a set
 of patches to MC but the most important one is the UTF-8 patch. The
 rest are usually of much lesser interest.
 
  Our team was formed recently, we have only just begun working on
  Midnight Commander, we have yet to be established, the relationship
  within the team have formed. But we are striving to become a team, which
  will be beneficial to all fans MC (a lot of them). Already, we have
  created assembly, which could satisfy both users of Debian/Ubuntu,
  FreeBSD and Gentoo, and users of Red Hat Linux distributions, Open Suse,
  MandRiva etc.
 
  You may have to apologize already issued release mc-4.6.3 (actually, we
  do not have the right to publish under that name). It is better to ask
  forgiveness than permission..  :)
 
 You should have done it the proper way by trying to communicate your
 changes with official MC instead of making a yet another fork. You
 team has just formed and no one knows for how long it will last, nor
 what your aims are. Many like you have appeared in the past and soon
 lost interest in their own creation. If you are unaware of that fact
 you might want to check the archives.
 
  We are a young team, we ask that you permit the continued development of
  Midnight Commander it was under this name. Also, please refer to us the
  files CVS repository for the preservation of history and development of
  the names of all people, ever participated in the development mc. We
  understand that this may be shocking request, but nevertheless, we hope
  to receive any response - if the answer is we simply will Forque, which
  we hope will develop further. We want to see MC very comfortable and
  pleasant, not as it is now.
 
 Please, try to follow the traditional way of doing things. If you
 really want to become a MC developer, be so kind, to do it the proper
 way which means post your changes to the mailing list, discuss issues
 and so on. You don't become a project member and developer by just
 waiting for the right moment, appearing on the scene and taking over
 of everything.
 
 Best regards,
 Pavel Tsekov
 
 
 
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