Unwanted natural sorting of numbers
Hello,
I've noticed when Midnight Commander sorts filenames alphabetically, it
treats numbers specially as to sort filenames a1, a3 and a20 in this
order, contrary to the expected a1, a20, a3 order provided by most if
not everything else (examples I had readily available: ls, sort, Konqueror
file manager, KDE file chooser, Opera's file chooser, Python's
sorted(os.listdir('.'))). As a reference, FAR Manager sorts like everything
else too. It's just Midnight Commander the one sorting weirdly. (I'm using
the C collation locale, although as far as I understand this is not
dictated by locales.)
While this may look nice on the basis that the number 3 comes before the
number 20 and so on (when treated as such!), this is extremely irritating
because almost everything else will sort files correctly and contradict
Midnight Commander's file sorting. It's even dangerous, as it may lead to
user confusion and mistakes that could derive in data loss. Allow me to
explain my particular case as an example: I use Midnight Commander as my
central file management tool. However, in order to view image files, I've
associated my own image viewer with the F3 (view) action for image files.
This image viewer allows me to walk forwards and backwards within the
directory starting from the file I used to open it, so for example I'm in a
directory with files a1.png, a3.png and a20.png as seen in Midnight
Commander. I hit F3 on a1.png, and then go forwards to the next file
expecting to view what was next in Midnight Commander - a3.png; however
the image viewer (and any other application I have) will jump to a20.png
if they're alphabetically sorting files. I may then see something I don't
like, and decide to delete the next file to the one I started browsing, so
when I'm back to Midnight Commander I go and delete the wrong file
(a3.png).
Could you implement an option to disable this kind of user-friendly
natural sort algorithm that could easily backfire on users and end up being
unfriendly?
Thanks
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Re: Unwanted natural sorting of numbers
Which version of midnight commander are you using?
I don't see such behavior on 4.6.1.
Milan Cermak
Dne 2.12.09 17:11, Miguel Pérez napsal(a):
Hello,
I've noticed when Midnight Commander sorts filenames alphabetically,
it treats numbers specially as to sort filenames a1, a3 and a20 in
this order, contrary to the expected a1, a20, a3 order provided by
most if not everything else (examples I had readily available: ls, sort,
Konqueror file manager, KDE file chooser, Opera's file chooser, Python's
sorted(os.listdir('.'))). As a reference, FAR Manager sorts like
everything else too. It's just Midnight Commander the one sorting
weirdly. (I'm using the C collation locale, although as far as I
understand this is not dictated by locales.)
While this may look nice on the basis that the number 3 comes before
the number 20 and so on (when treated as such!), this is extremely
irritating because almost everything else will sort files correctly and
contradict Midnight Commander's file sorting. It's even dangerous, as it
may lead to user confusion and mistakes that could derive in data loss.
Allow me to explain my particular case as an example: I use Midnight
Commander as my central file management tool. However, in order to view
image files, I've associated my own image viewer with the F3 (view)
action for image files. This image viewer allows me to walk forwards and
backwards within the directory starting from the file I used to open it,
so for example I'm in a directory with files a1.png, a3.png and
a20.png as seen in Midnight Commander. I hit F3 on a1.png, and then
go forwards to the next file expecting to view what was next in Midnight
Commander - a3.png; however the image viewer (and any other
application I have) will jump to a20.png if they're alphabetically
sorting files. I may then see something I don't like, and decide to
delete the next file to the one I started browsing, so when I'm back to
Midnight Commander I go and delete the wrong file (a3.png).
Could you implement an option to disable this kind of
user-friendly natural sort algorithm that could easily backfire on
users and end up being unfriendly?
Thanks
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On Nov 24 18:19, Slava Zanko wrote: P.S. guys from cygwin devel-team: mc-4.6.1 too old for supporting, mc-4.7.0-pre2 and newest don't compile on current cygwin (because cyrrent cygwin don't have ipv6 support :( ). Is you have any ideas about? Cygwin 1.7 with IPv6 support exists quite some time and the official release is due very soon now. See http://cygwin.com/#beta-test There's no reason anymore to build against Cygwin 1.5.25. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Unwanted natural sorting of numbers
I'm using Midnight Commander 2:4.7.0-pre1-3 from the Debian testing package
on AMD64. Maybe it's something introduced by a Debian patch, or maybe it's
something new in version 4.7.0?
2009/12/2 Milan Cermak milan.cer...@sun.com
Which version of midnight commander are you using?
I don't see such behavior on 4.6.1.
Milan Cermak
Dne 2.12.09 17:11, Miguel Pérez napsal(a):
Hello,
I've noticed when Midnight Commander sorts filenames alphabetically, it
treats numbers specially as to sort filenames a1, a3 and a20 in this
order, contrary to the expected a1, a20, a3 order provided by most if
not everything else (examples I had readily available: ls, sort, Konqueror
file manager, KDE file chooser, Opera's file chooser, Python's
sorted(os.listdir('.'))). As a reference, FAR Manager sorts like everything
else too. It's just Midnight Commander the one sorting weirdly. (I'm using
the C collation locale, although as far as I understand this is not
dictated by locales.)
While this may look nice on the basis that the number 3 comes before
the number 20 and so on (when treated as such!), this is extremely
irritating because almost everything else will sort files correctly and
contradict Midnight Commander's file sorting. It's even dangerous, as it may
lead to user confusion and mistakes that could derive in data loss. Allow me
to explain my particular case as an example: I use Midnight Commander as my
central file management tool. However, in order to view image files, I've
associated my own image viewer with the F3 (view) action for image files.
This image viewer allows me to walk forwards and backwards within the
directory starting from the file I used to open it, so for example I'm in a
directory with files a1.png, a3.png and a20.png as seen in Midnight
Commander. I hit F3 on a1.png, and then go forwards to the next file
expecting to view what was next in Midnight Commander - a3.png; however
the image viewer (and any other application I have) will jump to a20.png
if they're alphabetically sorting files. I may then see something I don't
like, and decide to delete the next file to the one I started browsing, so
when I'm back to Midnight Commander I go and delete the wrong file
(a3.png).
Could you implement an option to disable this kind of user-friendly
natural sort algorithm that could easily backfire on users and end up being
unfriendly?
Thanks
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