Re: Segfault when viewing HTML files with mc -v

2012-07-30 Thread Andrew Borodin
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:38:53 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 (I'm on Linux 64-bit.  This happens with current Git master as well as the
 4.8.4 release.  4.8.3 does not have the issue.

Thanks for the bugreport. But best way to report bugs is to create ticket at
midnight-commander.org.

Since segfault is serious bug, I created ticket myself:
https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/2858.
Please test that fix.

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Re: Segfault when viewing HTML files with mc -v

2012-07-30 Thread Yury V. Zaytsev
On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 11:11 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 
 
 but you can't file any bugs there.  You guys might want to sort out
 all those different and spread out pages.

Right, and it has the following right under the summary:

Location: 
  * http://midnight-commander.org 

This is not a real bug tracker, this is just a record in Launchpad's
database for the new bug tracker at m-c.o, so that Launchpad users can
link to the bugs that are filled in Trac.

Maybe the presentation is misleading, but that's something only
Canonical has control over and all other projects are in the same
situation. 

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Re: Segfault when viewing HTML files with mc -v

2012-07-30 Thread Alexander Kriegisch
Nikos, never mind, I had the same problems when first I wanted to create a 
ticket with some patches for bugfixes and new features. And do not be shocked 
about the security warning in the browser. The developers say it is meant to be 
this way.

My impression is that this project is kind of dead anyway. Nobody ever really 
cared about my inquiries on this list or my well documented ticket #2742 on 
midnight-commander.org, even though I am offering major improvements for 
subshell support and worked my ass off to get the patches working in a way 
which might seem fit to be committed (I do not even speak C, so it was kinda 
hard for me, but this is my own problem, I am just mentioning it).

I think that the honourable guys working in their spare time on this project 
just do not have enough of it to spend. So if you or anyone else on this list 
really knows how to write good C code and are interested in pushing this 
project forward, I think you should contact the core developers and offer your 
assistance. My abilities are too limited C-wise, so I think fresh blood needs 
to come from other directions.

Sorry to the development team if this message might sound a bit polemic, I do 
not mean to insult anyone. It is always easier to talk than to act, I am aware 
of that. But I do think this project needs another structure in order to gain 
more momentum. What I can do to help I am offering here and now: I am a 
professional agile project management coach (http://scrum-master.de, sorry the 
page is in German). What spare time I have I can dedicate to setting up a Scrum 
or Kanban process for you guys if you are interested.

Alexander Kriegisch


Am 30.07.2012 um 10:11 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com:

 On 30/07/12 09:27, Andrew Borodin wrote:
 On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:38:53 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 (I'm on Linux 64-bit.  This happens with current Git master as well as the
 4.8.4 release.  4.8.3 does not have the issue.
 
 Thanks for the bugreport. But best way to report bugs is to create ticket at
 midnight-commander.org.
 
 Yeah, I tried to find the bug tracker, but couldn't find it in the page I 
 *thought* is MC's homepage:
 
 
  http://www.gnu.org/software/mc/
 
 It's at the top when googling midnight commander.  Likewise, googling for 
 midnight commander bug tracker gets you to:
 
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/mc-bugs
 
 which at the top of the page claims:
 
  New official bug tracker for Midnight Commander project
 
 but you can't file any bugs there.  You guys might want to sort out all those 
 different and spread out pages.
 
 (I did in the past sign up in the real bug tracker, but this isn't something 
 I could have remembered years after.)
 
 
 
 Since segfault is serious bug, I created ticket myself:
 https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/2858.
 Please test that fix.
 
 Yep, that fixes it.
 
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Re: Transifex and mc.pot

2012-07-30 Thread Andrew Borodin
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:34:46 +0200 David Mart?n wrote:
 I feel that I'm doing something wrong about translations... I keep my es.po
 file updated to latest git sources. Not every day nor every week, but on
 a regular basis. But if I upload the file to Transifex it REFUSES quite a few
 messages. I suppose it's because an older mc.pot file. The mc.pot seems to be
 uploaded just before every release, but this way the release is published
 with old translations.

Transifex detects changes in mc.pot in repo and automatically downloads mc.pot
and merges it into all .po files. And yes, actually mc.pot is gerenerated before
release. I think, we should make it more often, not for after every change in 
i18n stuff, but after more or less accumulated number of changes.

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Re: Segfault when viewing HTML files with mc -v

2012-07-30 Thread Yury V. Zaytsev
On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 10:58 +0200, Alexander Kriegisch wrote:
 Nikos, never mind, I had the same problems when first I wanted to
 create a ticket with some patches for bugfixes and new features. And
 do not be shocked about the security warning in the browser. The
 developers say it is meant to be this way.

If you were to contribute a paid-for wildcard SSL certificate the
warning would of course go away. That's what you get for using free
self-signed certificates.

 My impression is that this project is kind of dead anyway. Nobody ever
 really cared about my inquiries on this list or my well documented
 ticket #2742 on midnight-commander.org, even though I am offering
 major improvements for subshell support and worked my ass off to get
 the patches working in a way which might seem fit to be committed

I see it from the ticket history that Slava accepted it at some point,
but probably it was postponed until later and he never got back to it. 

If I were you, I would just post reminders from time to time, which
always worked well for me. I'm sure it is not bad will...

 Sorry to the development team if this message might sound a bit
 polemic, I do not mean to insult anyone. 

I think it's not a process problem (anymore), but simply a workforce and
communication problem. The core team is as small as 3 persons working on
mc in their spare time plus a number of less frequent contributors.

The core team is focused on architectural improvements and most urgent
bugs, tickets come next... Worse even it's substantially harder for most
of them to communicate in English, so tickets that require a lot of
communication naturally get put off till later.

I used to help with that in the past, but now I really can't make any
more time for that, and some will even argue that I wasn't any good at
it anyways.

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Re: Segfault when viewing HTML files with mc -v

2012-07-30 Thread Andrew Borodin
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:32:49 +0200 Yury V. Zaytsev wrote:
 Worse even it's substantially harder for most of them to communicate in
 English, so tickets that require a lot of communication naturally get put off
 till later.

Some communication problems in non-native language exist, yes. But actually
requirement for ticket is a guarantee that request/bugreport as ticket will be
kept in Trac forever. Request via e-mail/forum/jabber/etc has a good chance to 
be
forgotten and lost.

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