Re: mc is over!?

2015-05-30 Thread Steve Rainwater
If you're looking for new developers, hostility towards people
volunteering to help is probably not a good approach. 

Looks like the project is hosted here (in case any other newbies are
reading):

https://www.midnight-commander.org/

Turns out I already have an account, probably from filing bug reports
over the years. There's some good info there. I checked out a copy of
the code today and got a clean compile. I'm going to be upgrading my box
from Fedora 21 to 22 next week, so it may be a few more days before I
get chance to do any coding.

Is the list of active developers on the above site up to date or is that
the list old developers who announced they were leaving? 

-Steve


On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 02:16 +0200, Egmont Koblinger wrote:
 You ask for source code repo and stuff? Do apologize to me,it's alot
 of shots andd beers speaking of me right now, but if you ask these
 questions and couldn't figure out the answers for yourself (I mean:
 the answer is straight there on the opening homepage of mc) then i'm
 afraid you might not be the kind of person the project's looking for.
 Sry
 
 Sent from mobile
 
 On May 28, 2015 11:57 PM, Steve Rainwater srainwa...@ncc.com
 wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm another long time user of mc. I've used it on Windows,
 Solaris,
 HP-UX, and currently on GNU/Linux (mostly Fedora and CentOS).
 I use it daily and find it an indispensable tool. Thanks to
 everyone who's worked on it over the years! If mc development
 is really coming to an end without new developers, I'm willing
 to devote a little time to working on it. I'm a C programmer
 and have submitted patches here and there to other projects
 like Apache and LibXML2.
 
 I don't really care much about new mc features but I would
 like to see work done on fixing bugs. There are mc bugs that
 have annoyed me for many years, like the keybinding breakage
 with with GNOME terminal that happened four or five years back
 and still isn't fixed.
 
 Can someone point me to the developer resources like the
 source code repo? I guess a good starting point is check out
 the current code and get it compiling. Do new developers need
 to create an account anywhere to get access?
 
 -Steve
 
 
 On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 20:03 +0100, Michal Pirgl wrote:
  Hi
 
  I have been using mc for many years and I would like to
 thank to
  everyone who spent their time on this project.
 
  I also cannot promise 20hrs in a week but I would like to
  participate/develop as much as I can to help in free time.
 
  Regards,
  Michal
 
 
 
  From: Mike Smithson mdooligan gmail com
  To: mc-devel gnome org
  Cc: mc gnome org
  Subject: Re: mc is over!?
  Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 07:26:22 -0700
 
  
 
  Bah. Mc is not over. Things change, that's all.
 
  I've been into mc since I don't know when. The first time I
  used it. Mid/late 90s I'm guessing. I saw how it floundered
  in the 4.6 series. I shrugged and kept tweaking and hacking
 my
  version. A few years went by and I looked it up again,
 purely
  out of curiosity.
 
  I was delighted that someone had given it a full work over
 into
  the 4.8 series. There were some persistent, puzzling, and
 very
  annoying bugs that are now gone.
 
  Excellent work, gentlemen. Thank you very much.
 
  My list of personal patches went from ~30 down to ~5, where
 they
  sit now, mostly minor interface tweaks. Mc works, and it
 works
  very well. If development stagnates for a while, so be it.
 There
  is actually very little to do. Mc is as close to perfect as
  software gets. There will always be bugs and minor tweaks,
 and
  that's what needs to be worked on, now and forever.
 
  Yes, mc in its current incarnation is a model from the
 1990s. I
  like it that way. I'm not a big fan of C++. I also don't
 like
  eye candy in a tool that is all about functionality and
 utility,
  and I very much appreciate a file manager that can operate
 when
  XWindows cannot, or the system is barely bootable.
 
  It's the perfect size: big enough to be feature-rich and
 highly
  usable, yet small enough that a single individual can
  (theoretically) get his head around the entire code base.
 It's
  also fun to hack.
 
  I cannot guarantee 20hrs/week, but I

Re: mc is over!?

2015-05-28 Thread Steve Rainwater
Hi all,

I'm another long time user of mc. I've used it on Windows, Solaris,
HP-UX, and currently on GNU/Linux (mostly Fedora and CentOS). I use it
daily and find it an indispensable tool. Thanks to everyone who's worked
on it over the years! If mc development is really coming to an end
without new developers, I'm willing to devote a little time to working
on it. I'm a C programmer and have submitted patches here and there to
other projects like Apache and LibXML2. 

I don't really care much about new mc features but I would like to see
work done on fixing bugs. There are mc bugs that have annoyed me for
many years, like the keybinding breakage with with GNOME terminal that
happened four or five years back and still isn't fixed. 

Can someone point me to the developer resources like the source code
repo? I guess a good starting point is check out the current code and
get it compiling. Do new developers need to create an account anywhere
to get access?

-Steve


On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 20:03 +0100, Michal Pirgl wrote:
 Hi
 
 I have been using mc for many years and I would like to thank to
 everyone who spent their time on this project.
 
 I also cannot promise 20hrs in a week but I would like to
 participate/develop as much as I can to help in free time.
 
 Regards,
 Michal
 
 
 
 From: Mike Smithson mdooligan gmail com
 To: mc-devel gnome org
 Cc: mc gnome org
 Subject: Re: mc is over!?
 Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 07:26:22 -0700
 
 
 
 Bah. Mc is not over. Things change, that's all.
 
 I've been into mc since I don't know when. The first time I
 used it. Mid/late 90s I'm guessing. I saw how it floundered
 in the 4.6 series. I shrugged and kept tweaking and hacking my
 version. A few years went by and I looked it up again, purely
 out of curiosity.
 
 I was delighted that someone had given it a full work over into
 the 4.8 series. There were some persistent, puzzling, and very
 annoying bugs that are now gone.
 
 Excellent work, gentlemen. Thank you very much.
 
 My list of personal patches went from ~30 down to ~5, where they
 sit now, mostly minor interface tweaks. Mc works, and it works
 very well. If development stagnates for a while, so be it. There
 is actually very little to do. Mc is as close to perfect as
 software gets. There will always be bugs and minor tweaks, and
 that's what needs to be worked on, now and forever.
 
 Yes, mc in its current incarnation is a model from the 1990s. I
 like it that way. I'm not a big fan of C++. I also don't like
 eye candy in a tool that is all about functionality and utility,
 and I very much appreciate a file manager that can operate when
 XWindows cannot, or the system is barely bootable.
 
 It's the perfect size: big enough to be feature-rich and highly
 usable, yet small enough that a single individual can
 (theoretically) get his head around the entire code base. It's
 also fun to hack.
 
 I cannot guarantee 20hrs/week, but I would be very interested to
 work through bug reports and small enhancement requests at my
 own pace, and see what I can get done.
 
 As a last thought for this email:
 
 I suppose what we have here is a complete lack of consensus as to
 the direction to take if we were to move into a 5.0 series.
 My thinking is along the lines of complete modularity: a basic
 interface design (that already exists) and everything else is
 plugins. What if I want to use mc for inventory control? Make a
 plugin to work with SQL instead of filesystem. Perhaps there
 needs to be room for people to experiment with this sort of
 thing. A 4.9beta branch that starts off as mess and arguments but
 slowly gets sorted into something with vision.
 
 That's my 2 cents worth.
 
 Take care, and best wishes for those who are moving on to bigger
 and better things. Thank you for your labors.
 
 
 
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 Peace and Cheer
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