Re: Happy 20th Birthday!

2014-10-31 Thread Marco Ciampa
MC was a great help for me to understand Unix file system in 1997 when I
was doing my first steps with Linux. One of first installations was on a
SCO Unix. It was the first project I translated into Italian and doing it
I learned so many new things, gettext for a start...

I like it so much that I use mcedit as my standard system editor and I am
using it right now writing this email as a mutt companion.

My very first action when I have installed a new Linux is:

 apt-get install mc 

or

 yum install mc

...

I all agree with this last email apart from this:

 I think forums work better than mailing lists. I want to frame things up
 and respond to critique. And make it easy to do so.

I really do not think so but, I respect other tastes.

Peace.

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Happy 20th Birthday!

2014-10-30 Thread Mike Smithson

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:00:05 -0700, mc-devel-requ...@gnome.org wrote:


Today's Topics:

   1. Happy 20th Birthday! (Egmont Koblinger)

...

Sadly, as this post points out, mc almost died twice already ? and the
really sad aspect that casts a shadow to the current birthday is that I
personally feel it's dying again for the third time.

The initial passion from the new maintainers has faded.  They hardly have
time to work on the project.  Many patches or important bugreports go
unnoticed for long months or even years.  Some tickets have heated
technical discussions between some non-maintainers, yet the maintainers
remain silent.  Some contributors have already expressed that they've  
lost

motivation due to the lack of response from developers, and alas more
(including myself) are likely to follow.  (This whole issue has been  
raised
in [5].)  I really don't know how this problem could be solved... I'm  
just

hoping that we'll be able to figure out something.

Anyways, for now, let's celebrate 20 years of Midnight Commander :)


1994? Yes, there are few records of the history of this obscure code.

I've been using mc since the days when it sucked. The 4.6 years were
pretty good, it worked well already, and some major things were hacked
out. 4.8 series is awesome. I got away from it for a few years, came
back, and some clever people had worked it right over. Sure, they missed
a few things, but the code cleanup was great.

Thank you who ever you are.

I would help, I have a bunch of patches I apply to every new version.

I don't understand the ticket system. I set one up, someone made a bizarre
reply to it, and that's all that happened. I even showed the exact code
that accomplished it. Nobody said yes or no, there was no dialog whether
it sucked or was good. Someone just told me to make a ticket. Sounds like
Russians to me. :)

I would love to help. Tell me how.

ps I like having my personal hacks for something like mc. It is my file
manager. I don't use Nautilus or whatever. Maybe mc-4.8.13 is getting very
close to as perfect as software can get. It is very effective.

I think forums work better than mailing lists. I want to frame things up
and respond to critique. And make it easy to do so. Developers *are* users.

mc is not Twinkies(tm) in crisp plastic wrap. It's more like something you
cook at home.

There ya go. Midnight Commander Cookbook.

A million magic hacks.




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Happy 20th Birthday!

2014-10-29 Thread Egmont Koblinger
Recently I did some digging about the history of mc.  It's unclear when the
first version was released, the oldest I could find is mc-0.3 released on
Apr 29, 1994 [1].

Version 1.0, the first one bearing the name Midnight Commander was
released on Oct 29, 1994 [2]; exactly 20 years ago.  (If you wonder what
the original name was: check out the links!)

A short blog entry from its author is at [3].

A very long, interesting story about mc's history can be read at [4].

Sadly, as this post points out, mc almost died twice already – and the
really sad aspect that casts a shadow to the current birthday is that I
personally feel it's dying again for the third time.

The initial passion from the new maintainers has faded.  They hardly have
time to work on the project.  Many patches or important bugreports go
unnoticed for long months or even years.  Some tickets have heated
technical discussions between some non-maintainers, yet the maintainers
remain silent.  Some contributors have already expressed that they've lost
motivation due to the lack of response from developers, and alas more
(including myself) are likely to follow.  (This whole issue has been raised
in [5].)  I really don't know how this problem could be solved... I'm just
hoping that we'll be able to figure out something.

Anyways, for now, let's celebrate 20 years of Midnight Commander :)


[1] http://www.informatica.co.cr/linux-desktops/research/1994/0504.html
[2] http://www.informatica.co.cr/linux-desktops/research/1994/1031.html
[3] http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Oct-06.html
[4] http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/Ch04/mc.shtml
[5] https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/3004
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