Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
* Miguel de Icaza mig...@novell.com schrieb: I agree with Pavel here. mc-dev has been for the most part dormant, and some terrible decisions (like that whole mhl fiasco) could have been avoided. I wouldn't call it fascio, rather a good lection that even the OSS world isn't free of people who press quasi-religous cruft and their own vanity over technical issues and resist against any attempt for a rational discussion. For a bunch of weeks we've formed a new, heavily motivated team, fixed a lot of ancient bugs, added lots of good patches floating around on other places for years and were working on several interesting features. In these few weeks we had a really active and motivated community with an very open and friendly climate. It was *YOU* destroyed that by climbing out of your deep dark tomb and behaving like the old king coming back which everyone has to submit to. It was you caused a lot of wasting resources (not just computer's but also human's) for your personal crusade against a lot of things we've done so far, without even listening to reasons why we did this, not because you had the slightest technical argument, but just because it didn't happen under your command. And that is exactly the reason why I abondened and created my own fork (*1) - as long as you are ruling here, I don't see the slightest bit of common ground. (and BTW, this was one of the major reasons why I've removed all my branches from mc.o git: I dont support dictators). cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
* Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de schrieb: oh, forgot the link ;-o *1) git://git.metux.de/free-mc.git cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
Hello, It was *YOU* destroyed that by climbing out of your deep dark tomb and behaving like the old king coming back which everyone has to submit to. It was you caused a lot of wasting resources (not just computer's but also human's) for your personal crusade against a lot of things we've done so far, without even listening to reasons why we did this, not because you had the slightest technical argument, but just because it didn't happen under your command. You are making a soap opera out of my only objection, which was the dropping of glib under poor rationale. I have not opposed any other patch, I have merely provided some feedback on some patches that required tuning. And that is exactly the reason why I abondened and created my own fork (*1) - as long as you are ruling here, I don't see the slightest bit of common ground. (and BTW, this was one of the major reasons why I've removed all my branches from mc.o git: I dont support dictators). Feel free to post the logs. You basically threw a tantrum when things did not go the way you wanted. Miguel. ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
*1) git://git.metux.de/free-mc.git Thanks for the link. I guess we can go and pick any good changes from there and merge them into mc now. Miguel. ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
Hello Denys, Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:15:45 PM, you wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Pavel Tsekov ptse...@gmx.net wrote: You might not be aware but I am (still) one of the two official MC maintainers. De jure, maybe you are. De facto, the project is an orphan. How many more times do I need to submit my patches to get your attention? If I am not mistaken most of your patches were incomplete and you wouldn't bother to fix them. I see how comfortable is to be on the right side at the right time for people like yourself. You just hope to get your patch inside the codebase without caring about its quality. How many millennia do we need to wait to get UTF-8 support? As much as it is needed do be done properly. ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Pavel Tsekov ptse...@gmx.net wrote: Hello Denys, Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:15:45 PM, you wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Pavel Tsekov ptse...@gmx.net wrote: You might not be aware but I am (still) one of the two official MC maintainers. De jure, maybe you are. De facto, the project is an orphan. How many more times do I need to submit my patches to get your attention? If I am not mistaken most of your patches were incomplete and you wouldn't bother to fix them. Oh really. I just checked. http://mlblog.osdir.com/gnome.apps.mc.general/2004-10/index.shtml http://www.mail-archive.com/mc-devel@gnome.org/msg05103.html 24/10/2004 - I posted the patch for the 1st time sometime later - I added it to bug database as well 07/11/2005 - patch was rediscovered and an active discussion started (which means there was more than one reply per year) 12/08/2006 - patch got applied By this time, of course, I didn't track the fate of the patch. THREE YEARS for a teensy patch like this???!! http://mlblog.osdir.com/gnome.apps.mc.general/2004-10/txt4mW4MB9qlO.txt You are glacial. Another patch, which I posted more than once, and this one is not applied: http://www.mail-archive.com/mc-devel@gnome.org/msg05526.html You didn't even have any objections. You just dropped the ball. You know, I have more interesting things to do in this life than spending three more years getting it applied. Especially that it is a bit bigger, who knows, maybe I'm being optimistic about three years here... -- vda ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
Hi Denys, Would you please cool down a little bit? Don't you think we can resolve this peacefully w/o further mutual accusations, don't we? I think that both parties will benefit from this... It's crystal clear that current development model desperately needs a change. But Pavel has some valid points too. Let's cooperate. When I saw Pavel Roskin gone it made me sad. We owe him a lot. Behaving like Enrico won't help to get the problems solved but rather make them unsolvable. OK? Thank you for your understanding. -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
Hello, I am not really unavailable. In fact if someone bothered to ping me personally I would have noticed immediately. The list traffic was stalled for quite some time and I haven't been reading it on a regular basis for a while so I missed the interesting part. I agree with Pavel here. mc-dev has been for the most part dormant, and some terrible decisions (like that whole mhl fiasco) could have been avoided. Anyway, I am making making my way trough the mailing list volume for the last two months. I would not like to comment before I have gone trough all threads but some threads caught my attention already - search for mhl Does it feel familiar, is it what MC really needs ? Is this someone's excercise ? Luckily that mhl thing got nuked. ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re[2]: Further Midnight Commander development
Hello Oswald, Saturday, February 14, 2009, 4:47:44 PM, you wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 08:20:29PM +0200, Pavel Tsekov wrote: You don't become a project member and developer by just waiting for the right moment, appearing on the scene and taking over of everything. would you bet? Yes, I would. I have known Patrick for quite some time and past communication with him makes me pretty sure that the odds are on my side. Would you bet to the opposite ? you may be the best maintainer on earth (you aren't, but wth), but by being unavailable you marginalize your project and thus yourself. so while the new ones might not be official maintainers, they are de-facto maintainers. those who do the work decide, even if my hair stands on end occasionally. I am not really unavailable. In fact if someone bothered to ping me personally I would have noticed immediately. The list traffic was stalled for quite some time and I haven't been reading it on a regular basis for a while so I missed the interesting part. Anyway, I am making making my way trough the mailing list volume for the last two months. I would not like to comment before I have gone trough all threads but some threads caught my attention already - search for mhl Does it feel familiar, is it what MC really needs ? Is this someone's excercise ? Best regards, Pavel Tsekov ___ Mc-devel mailing list http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
