Re: contrib directory badly needed

2003-02-06 Thread Pavel Roskin
Hello!

 Good idea. Moreover mc homepage should be more informative. If nobody
 protests, I could improve the mc homepage when I have more time, or
 even rebuild it from scratch. I develop some commercial sites
 (http://www.rpg-portal.pl http://www.nostromorpg.pl), so you could be
 sure I know how things work in web design.

Both sites don't resolve, so I cannot see your work.

I agree that the homepage needs to be improved.  Please avoid Javascript
and frames and make sure that the site remains useful with lynx.

It would be great if you could show your preliminary design before you
spend too much time on the new homepage.

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Re: contrib directory badly needed

2003-02-06 Thread Adam Byrtek / alpha
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 07:52:49AM -0500, Pavel Roskin wrote:
 Both sites don't resolve, so I cannot see your work.

Sorry, some network problems. I'll kill the server admin when I catch
him.

 Please avoid Javascript and frames and make sure that the site
 remains useful with lynx.

Don't worry, I prefer simple and useful design.

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contrib directory badly needed

2003-02-05 Thread bulia byak
 Maybe we need a directory for contributed changes that don't integrate
 well into the main codebase.

YES! I browsed this list's archives and found lots of proposed patches 
that were never included into mc. I think we need to go through them once 
again and sort them into those that must be finally merged (e.g. the 
file coloring patch which I will take care of after I finish the hotlist)
and those that should be at least kept in the contrib section. 

Also, some things that are merged are not documented. For example until
recently I did not know about the wonderful --with-charset option. It's 
not in the man page or even in the FAQ! And by the way, why is it 
disabled by default?

Note that the main strength of FAR, even though it is closed source, is 
its community of plugin writers and plugin web sites. This allows many 
people to contribute to FAR even without the main author's approval. 
With mc, if your patch was not accepted, you get zero visibility at all:
the only place where your patch still lingers is the mailing list 
archives that are notoriously inconvenient to search. 

This must be changed. Is it too difficult to provide a section on the 
web page for storing patches and other useful things, with short 
author-supplied descriptions?
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Re: contrib directory badly needed

2003-02-05 Thread Adam Byrtek / alpha
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:13:40PM -0500, bulia byak wrote:
 This must be changed. Is it too difficult to provide a section on the 
 web page for storing patches and other useful things, with short 
 author-supplied descriptions?

Now there is a Patches section on the mc BTS, so the situation is a
lot better. Supplying patches with official source is not a good thing
- it would look like we support them, but when unmaintained they will
be useless or broken within one release. IMO BTS is a good place for
patches (we could put a link to it somewhere in documentation).
Moreover when somebody wants to publish his patch - he could do this
on his homepage. 

However 'contrib' dir would be a great thing for add-ons like
mc-burner or some special vfses.

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Re: contrib directory badly needed

2003-02-05 Thread bulia byak
 Now there is a Patches section on the mc BTS, so the situation is a
 lot better. 

I don't think so - it has a different purpose. Savannah account is a 
temporary storage for patches that are to be discussed and eventually 
either applied or rejected. What is needed, however, is a permanent 
storage for things that are not in mc but live their own parallel 
life.

 Supplying patches with official source is not a good thing
 - it would look like we support them

I do not suggest to include them in the distribution. Just give them 
a prominent and permanent space to live on the mc web site (or 
linked from it).

 Moreover when somebody wants to publish his patch - he could do this
 on his homepage. 

Not everyone has one, and it's nearly impossible to find something 
specific if the storage is not centralized (unless you know exactly
the name of the thing you're looking for).

 However 'contrib' dir would be a great thing for add-ons like
 mc-burner or some special vfses.

Yes.


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Re: contrib directory badly needed

2003-02-05 Thread bulia byak
 Good idea. Moreover mc homepage should be more informative. If nobody
 protests, I could improve the mc homepage when I have more time, or
 even rebuild it from scratch. I develop some commercial sites
 (http://www.rpg-portal.pl http://www.nostromorpg.pl), so you could be
 sure I know how things work in web design.

I think that would be fantastic!


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