Re: [MCN-L] Bridgeman Images question

[Maggie Hanson]

Thanks so much, all! We really appreciate the additional perspective. 


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Raatz
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Hi Maggie,

I'd like to echo what Amalyah said so succinctly. Mia has had a terrific 
professional relationship with Bridgeman Images in place for ~5 years now.
They represent a selection of our museum's images and primarily assist us with 
requests for commercial uses of such. We regularly provide updated photography 
to Bridgeman to ensure that our collection is represented via quality images.

We also provide hi-res images directly (and freely) for educational, scholarly, 
research, non-commercial uses, including to the museum community for exhibition 
catalogues and support, monographs, catalogues raisonné, etc. People are free 
to download images directly from our Collection website and many of our works 
in the public domain have been shared openly elsewhere on the web (Wikimedia 
Commons for ex.).

As Amalyah mentions, image licensing can coexist with open access policies, and 
the revenue source is indeed helpful.

Best regards,
Heidi


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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:36:18 +0300
From: Amalyah Keshet 
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Haggie:

I've worked very successfully with Bridgeman for years. They are professional, 
friendly, and scrupulously copyright-conscious.

I suggest you contact them, explain the situation, get their side of the story, 
and yes definitely offer to provide better subsitute images.  This will most 
likely lead to their offering to set up a contractual arrangement to represent 
your museum's images, sharing revenue, and I can definitely recommend doing so. 
 It's a very comfortable additional revenue source. You can take it and develop 
the relationship from there.

n.b.  Image files -- the tools that are in demand for high-quality printing
-- can be provided, licensed, sold precisely as such: as high quality digital 
files.  This is separate from the underlying work of art that appears in the 
file; that work of art can be protected by copyright or it can be in the 
publilc domain.  Logically, the value or price of the tool/file is separate 
from that of the artist's copyright clearance, which may or not apply.  
Bridgeman takes care of clearing artists' copyrights if that part of the 
equation applies.  They also represent a large number of
artists:
http://www.bridgemanimages.com/en-GB/bridgeman-copyright-service

Good luck!

*Amalyah Keshet *
*Image Resources and Copyright Management, The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
(retired)*

--
Heidi S. Raatz, MLIS
Visual Resources Librarian | Permissions Officer Minneapolis Institute of Art
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN  55404

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Re: [MCN-L] Bridgeman Images question

[Heidi Raatz]

Hi Maggie,

I'd like to echo what Amalyah said so succinctly. Mia has had a terrific
professional relationship with Bridgeman Images in place for ~5 years now.
They represent a selection of our museum's images and primarily assist us
with requests for commercial uses of such. We regularly provide updated
photography to Bridgeman to ensure that our collection is represented via
quality images.

We also provide hi-res images directly (and freely) for educational,
scholarly, research, non-commercial uses, including to the museum community
for exhibition catalogues and support, monographs, catalogues raisonné,
etc. People are free to download images directly from our Collection
website and many of our works in the public domain have been shared openly
elsewhere on the web (Wikimedia Commons for ex.).

As Amalyah mentions, image licensing can coexist with open access policies,
and the revenue source is indeed helpful.

Best regards,
Heidi


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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:36:18 +0300
From: Amalyah Keshet 
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv 
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Bridgeman Images question
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Haggie:

I've worked very successfully with Bridgeman for years. They are
professional, friendly, and scrupulously copyright-conscious.

I suggest you contact them, explain the situation, get their side of the
story, and yes definitely offer to provide better subsitute images.  This
will most likely lead to their offering to set up a contractual arrangement
to represent your museum's images, sharing revenue, and I can definitely
recommend doing so.  It's a very comfortable additional revenue source. You
can take it and develop the relationship from there.

n.b.  Image files -- the tools that are in demand for high-quality printing
-- can be provided, licensed, sold precisely as such: as high quality
digital files.  This is separate from the underlying work of art that
appears in the file; that work of art can be protected by copyright or it
can be in the publilc domain.  Logically, the value or price of the
tool/file is separate from that of the artist's copyright clearance, which
may or not apply.  Bridgeman takes care of clearing artists' copyrights if
that part of the equation applies.  They also represent a large number of
artists:
http://www.bridgemanimages.com/en-GB/bridgeman-copyright-service

Good luck!

*Amalyah Keshet *
*Image Resources and Copyright Management, The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
(retired)*

-- 
Heidi S. Raatz, MLIS
Visual Resources Librarian | Permissions Officer
Minneapolis Institute of Art
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN  55404

612.870.3196 | hra...@artsmia.org | www.artsmia.org | VisRes Request Form
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[MCN-L] Instagram Feed in Gallery

[Keith Bull]

Hello.

We are running an instagram feed on an android phone in one of our galleries.

The phone is not connected to the internet.

The gallery visitors can scroll through the photos on the account.

Yes, images with movement or panorama won't load completely while offline.

We can live with that.

Does anyone know if it is possible to lock out the "comment" and "send to" 
buttons on instagram as a user, not a poster?

Right now, visitors are able to touch those points and launch the keyboard.

While the phone is disconnected from the network the comments won't go through, 
but we get off the screen with images that we want to present.

To get back to the images requires accessing the "back" button that we've 
physically made unavailable.

We can provide a "secret" capacitive path for the gallery attendants to use to 
return the screen to what we want, but we'd prefer to make it impossible for 
users to get off the image feed at all.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.



Keith Bull

Exhibitions Coordinator

Jane Voorhees Zimmerli Art Museum

Rutgers University

71 Hamilton Street

New Brunswick NJ 08901

848.932.6173

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Re: [MCN-L] Bridgeman Images question

[Amalyah Keshet]

Haggie:

I've worked very successfully with Bridgeman for years. They are
professional, friendly, and scrupulously copyright-conscious.

I suggest you contact them, explain the situation, get their side of the
story, and yes definitely offer to provide better subsitute images.  This
will most likely lead to their offering to set up a contractual arrangement
to represent your museum's images, sharing revenue, and I can definitely
recommend doing so.  It's a very comfortable additional revenue source. You
can take it and develop the relationship from there.

n.b.  Image files -- the tools that are in demand for high-quality printing
-- can be provided, licensed, sold precisely as such: as high quality
digital files.  This is separate from the underlying work of art that
appears in the file; that work of art can be protected by copyright or it
can be in the publilc domain.  Logically, the value or price of the
tool/file is separate from that of the artist's copyright clearance, which
may or not apply.  Bridgeman takes care of clearing artists' copyrights if
that part of the equation applies.  They also represent a large number of
artists:
http://www.bridgemanimages.com/en-GB/bridgeman-copyright-service

Good luck!

*Amalyah Keshet *
*Image Resources and Copyright Management, The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
(retired)*


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Erik Landsberg 
wrote:

> Hi Maggie,
> Not a lawyer, of course, but many museum have a "no commercial
> photography"' notice in their literature, entrance info displays etc.
> Perhaps that would give you grounds for a takedown notice. Just a thought.
> But if PAM has a fully open access policy, would you consider just
> providing Bridgeman with quality replacement images of those works? It
> would be a far easier solution.
> -Erik
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Maggie Hanson 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, all -
> >
> > This question recently came up in our registrars dept. and I thought I'd
> > kick it out to MCN to see if anyone else has encountered this issue and
> > might have guidance. We'd be most grateful for any insight. Our rights
> > specialist sent the following question to a registrars' list-serv and
> > hasn't gotten much of a response:
> >
> > "It has recently come to my attention that Bridgeman Images has been
> > selling images from our museum's collection (about 17 of them). We do not
> > have an agreement with them, and the images are poor quality. I contacted
> > our counsel, and he seemed to state that because everything they have is
> in
> > the public domain, we have no legal ground to stand on. That said, I
> think
> > it would be reasonable to contact them and ask them to take the images
> > down, especially since the images are of such poor quality. Has anyone
> else
> > had this experience?"
> >
> > It might be a non-starter since the underlying works in the images are
> > public domain, but we thought it was worth asking colleagues. Any
> precedent
> > would be useful. To be clear: this is not about us asserting rights, just
> > about wanting to disseminate better images of the works in our collection
> > (esp. when we'd provide better images for free!).
> >
> > Thanks, all! See you in Pittsburgh!
> > Maggie
> >
> >
> > Maggie Hanson
> > Head of Library and Collections Information
> > Portland Art Museum
> > 503-276-4224 | direct
> > portlandartmuseum.org
> >
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