Re: MD: Low bit rate / extreme compression encoding

2000-03-29 Thread JR Moore


On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 05:23:08 +0100 "PrinceGaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 
 Hey guys!
 
 For some time I have been listening to an audio stream which I'm 
 receiving at 20kbps
 encoded with Windows Media Player codec.  It's 1960's music and the 
 thing is it's
 quite acceptable (comparable to a intermediate distance AM radio 
 station) and I'm sure
 would be perfectably acceptable for audio books.  When I say 20kbps 
 thats the actual
 data transfer rate, not my connection to my ISP.

Ok.

 
 Some quick arithmetic shows that at 20kbps, a 150MB minidisc would 
 run for over 16
 hours at this rate, fantastic for an audio book and without the 
 terrible distortion you
 get with a similar speed RealAudio stream.  Perhaps once MS has 
 actually hit the
 bullseye and come up with a great algorithm.

No. MS incorporated several codecs with WMA. VQF is much better at
compression. However it is decent at lower bitrates. Better than MP3 and
VQF doesn't go that low.

 
 I know it is 70:1 compression, well okay 35:1 as it's mono but I 
 could happily listen
 to it on a bus, coach or train. 

Umm, it's 70:1 compression. Remeber, compressed audio is all about your
bitrate, not your properties. A 96kbps Mono MP3 @ 44.1 Khz would be the
same size as say a 32khz stereo MP3 at the same bitrate. Only reason most
people think theres a difference is because most encoders won't allow
certin birates to be used.


 Thats seven times higher than MD, 
 hell its over three
 times the 128kbps MP3 format we slag off and being mono halved 
 again.  I would be
 happy to have an audio book recorded in that format and run for 16 
 hours on one
 standard MD, hey for listening while travelling I could live quite 
 happily with it, a stereo
 version would be better (eeek, only 8 hours per MD :-)

Yes, this would be nice, BUT, will the current ATRAC chips PLAY a stream
encoded at that without having to change. I'm thinking it wouldn't. But,
if it is backwards compatable with earlier versions, they just might be
able to pull such a thing off. And if your going to keep it 20kbps, if
your using stereo, it'd STILL be 16 hours, but, youd more than likely
double the birate to 40 kbps.


 
 Okay listening here at home on my hifi the compression artifacts are 
 quite noticeable,
 this codec seems to deal with them a helluva lot better than 
 RealPlayer does, and is
 actually enjoyable even at 20kbps!

RealPlayer G2 7.0 is good at lower qualities, but WMA does handle it
somewhat better.


-J.R.

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MD: Low bit rate / extreme compression encoding

2000-03-28 Thread PrinceGaz


Hey guys!

For some time I have been listening to an audio stream which I'm receiving at 20kbps
encoded with Windows Media Player codec.  It's 1960's music and the thing is it's
quite acceptable (comparable to a intermediate distance AM radio station) and I'm sure
would be perfectably acceptable for audio books.  When I say 20kbps thats the actual
data transfer rate, not my connection to my ISP.

Some quick arithmetic shows that at 20kbps, a 150MB minidisc would run for over 16
hours at this rate, fantastic for an audio book and without the terrible distortion you
get with a similar speed RealAudio stream.  Perhaps once MS has actually hit the
bullseye and come up with a great algorithm.

I know it is 70:1 compression, well okay 35:1 as it's mono but I could happily listen
to it on a bus, coach or train.  Thats seven times higher than MD, hell its over three
times the 128kbps MP3 format we slag off and being mono halved again.  I would be
happy to have an audio book recorded in that format and run for 16 hours on one
standard MD, hey for listening while travelling I could live quite happily with it, a 
stereo
version would be better (eeek, only 8 hours per MD :-)

Okay listening here at home on my hifi the compression artifacts are quite noticeable,
this codec seems to deal with them a helluva lot better than RealPlayer does, and is
actually enjoyable even at 20kbps!

Cheers,
PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will"
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Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/
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