RE: MD: MD and MP3 technologies are merging / titling
| Why should I have to title my MD tracks when the titles have already been | entered and uploaded by someone else in CDDB? 1. The tracks on the MD may not be exactly the set and sequence of an album listed on the CDDB. 2. The tracks may not yet be listed in the CDDB. 3. The person who provided the titles to the CDDB may have made mistakes in information or in typing. (The titles shown on the CD case may even be wrong and mislead the typist. I have a couple CDs like this.) 4. The person who provided the titles to the CDDB may have entered them in a format that differs from your preference in some varying or unpredictable fashion, such that the editing changes cannot be pre-coded into your title transfering software. 5. You might have made your own mix or edit, or your own microphone recording, or your own computer-composed tune, so the track couldn't possibly be in the CDDB. That's a good, helpful list of points. Titling of MD mixes is not solved by CDDB, but I use CDDB-downloaded titles automatically when I create an MP3 CD. This titles appear in my Rio Volt player, though I did not type them in anywhere. Poor ID3 tagging (typos, wrong titles, no titles, capitalization, poor conventions for artist/filename/directory structure) is a perrennial annoyance and an issue for hi-fi/archival MP3 CD traders. MD titling is such an undeveloped technology that these issues have barely arisen; it would be a nice improvement to get *any* electronic titling, rather than the common track 18. There are major problems with MP3 hi-fi album trades: gaps inserted by the player between live tracks; glitches; artifacts/poor compression; various titling problems. When I buy a CD (with only $0.25 going to the artist, by the way), I feel stupid for not acquiring the album via MP3 CDR trade. When I do MP3 CDR trades, I feel stupid for not simply ordering the CD online (to save time and get guaranteed high quality). When I do MD trades, I can only feel stupid for wasting time -- quality is almost guaranteed to be high, if the copy is from a pressed CD. | MD does titling in the most stupid, boneheaded, manual, tedious, | time-consuming way possible. Apparently, Mr. Hoffman, you have only a portable MD recorder and don't know how titling is on decks with full remotes, let alone on a deck with keyboard input. I find titling on portables to be as bad as you say, but it's not the only way to title a MiniDisc. I am referring to my Sony home deck with dedicated letter buttons -- so tedious and time-consuming that I quickly gave up titling MDs; and portables are even more difficult and time-consuming for entering titles. The former is very tedious, the latter utterly ludicrous (though better than nothing). A keyboard port solves one complaint, CDDB downloading of titling solves another, and inherent preservation of titling across digital copies would solve another. Thus there are several improvements needed in MD titling before it can begin to compete with the superior ergonomics of MP3 titling. | MDs are a dead-end for trades and each time you do copy an MD you lose the | titling ... There are ways to transfer titles from MD to MD. For example, many Sharp portable recorders have the Name Stamp feature that copies the disc name and all track titles from any recordable MD to any other with the same number of tracks, and the Sony MDS-W1 dual MD deck can copy titles between discs. If the tracks are at the same addresses, in many machines one can clone the entire TOC, titles and all. It's good that companies are going beyond the MD standard to help MD titling catch up with MP3 titling (which is inherently preserved via ID3 tagging). I'm glad MP3 is putting the heat on MD and inspiring it to work toward better titling approaches. I hope such improvements become standard and continue; I hope that the best features of MP3 and MD are combined across the industry. Yes, another layer of ATRACking is introduced (unless you have pro-grade equipment that can transfer bit-for-bit in the ATRAC domain). In normal personal copying you won't have too many generations and the effect will be negligible, but it is a drawback for trading. -- Michael Hoffman http://www.amptone.com/audio - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and MP3 technologies are merging / titling
wouldn't this be dependant on the label that the arist used and the contract they got from that label? -- When I buy a CD (with only $0.25 going to the artist, by the way) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and MP3 technologies are merging / titling
Of course, but it's still probably a high average. :) --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: MD and MP3 technologies are merging / titling Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:58:10 -0700 wouldn't this be dependant on the label that the arist used and the contract they got from that label? -- When I buy a CD (with only $0.25 going to the artist, by the way) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and MP3 technologies are merging / titling
Thanks to Michael Hoffman for the links to 8-cm CDRWs for sale at cdr4less.com and yesbuy.com. I'd never yet heard of those companies and had not seen 8-cm CDRWs for sale before. On cdr4less.com's home audio CDR page they perpetuate the myth (repeated to me last week by a Circuit City employee) that home audio CDRs do not work in burners; I hope that isn't an indication of their competence, because it certainly is tempting to get a spindle of 8-cm CDRWs from them. | But what Earth still lacks is an external Mini-CDRW (8-cm only) burner. | It will be at least 5 minutes more before there is such a thing. It | should include headphone output and bass boost, and built-in MP3 | decoding. I think there might be a confusion of terms here. To me a burner is a computer peripheral, and an external burner is one that connects by cable to a USB, parallel, or Firewire port on the computer instead of needing to be installed inside the case. What you're saying there, Michael, doesn't seem to make sense about external burners but could about a portable component recorder. One obstacle is such a device would be required to use only consumer audio discs, and 8-cm consumer audio CDRs don't seem to be available yet. The 8-cm rings in the trays of today's CD recorders (again, folks, I'm talking about audio components, not about computer peripherals) go to waste because there are no 8-cm consumer audio CDRs to record on nor to trick the machines into recording onto 8-cm data CDRs. I wonder if it's possible to swap-trick a CD recorder with a 12-cm consumer audio CDR into recording onto an 8-cm [data] CDR, as long as the music fits? Michael has also written, | Why should I have to title my MD tracks when the titles have already been | entered and uploaded by someone else in CDDB? 1. The tracks on the MD may not be exactly the set and sequence of an album listed on the CDDB. 2. The tracks may not yet be listed in the CDDB. 3. The person who provided the titles to the CDDB may have made mistakes in information or in typing. 4. The person who provided the titles to the CDDB may have entered them in a format that differs from your preference in some varying or unpredictable fashion, such that the editing changes cannot be pre-coded into your title transfering software. 5. You might have made your own mix or edit, or your own microphone recording, or your own computer-composed tune, so the track couldn't possibly be in the CDDB. | MD does titling in the most stupid, boneheaded, manual, tedious, | time-consuming way possible. Apparently, Mr. Hoffman, you have only a portable MD recorder and don't know how titling is on decks with full remotes, let alone on a deck with keyboard input. I find titling on portables to be as bad as you say, but it's not the only way to title a MiniDisc. | MDs are a dead-end for trades and each time you do copy an MD you lose the | titling ... There are ways to transfer titles from MD to MD. For example, many Sharp portable recorders have the Name Stamp feature that copies the disc name and all track titles from any recordable MD to any other with the same number of tracks, and the Sony MDS-W1 dual MD deck can copy titles between discs. If the tracks are at the same addresses, in many machines one can clone the entire TOC, titles and all. | ... and introduce another generation of lossy compression -- unlike MP3s. Yes, another layer of ATRACking is introduced (unless you have pro-grade equipment that can transfer bit-for-bit in the ATRAC domain). In normal personal copying you won't have too many generations and the effect will be negligible, but it is a drawback for trading. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and MP3 technologies are merging / titling
David W. Tamkin wrote: I think there might be a confusion of terms here. To me a burner is a computer peripheral, and an external burner is one that connects by cable to a USB, parallel, or Firewire port on the computer instead of needing to be installed inside the case. I'm pretty sure that the term burner is just a slang term possibly coined by someone in the recording industry because they thought that it sounded cool. Technically any device that is capable of creating a CD with something on it from a blank CD could be called a burner. I'm not sure and I'd have to check with my daughter, but there may be professional equipment capable of making or burning an audio CD from a digital source such as a DAT independent of the need for a computer. But I don't think that I have ever seen a manufacture use the term burner either on the box it came in or on the unit itself. CD Writer also really can't be used generically because it is a trademark name of HP's drive. Even CNET has copped out listing them as CDR/CDRW drives. It doesn't make sense. They should have been called CD writable and CD re-writable. In one the R stands for Recordable, in the other it stands for Re followed by Writable. I would have named them CDWR and CDW thus keeping the term writable constant. Also in computer terms, one never records to a drive. You write to it. It is only in audio that the term recordable is used. Lawrence - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD and MP3 technologies are merging / titling
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I think the term burner came because of using a laser to physically burn the digital information in to the disk, although I believe that only applies to certain devices, technically, although that's what everyone seems to call them. At 04:01 PM 8/5/01 -0400, you wrote: David W. Tamkin wrote: I think there might be a confusion of terms here. To me a burner is a computer peripheral, and an external burner is one that connects by cable to a USB, parallel, or Firewire port on the computer instead of needing to be installed inside the case. I'm pretty sure that the term burner is just a slang term possibly coined by someone in the recording industry because they thought that it sounded cool. Technically any device that is capable of creating a CD with something on it from a blank CD could be called a burner. I'm not sure and I'd have to check with my daughter, but there may be professional equipment capable of making or burning an audio CD from a digital source such as a DAT independent of the need for a computer. But I don't think that I have ever seen a manufacture use the term burner either on the box it came in or on the unit itself. CD Writer also really can't be used generically because it is a trademark name of HP's drive. Even CNET has copped out listing them as CDR/CDRW drives. It doesn't make sense. They should have been called CD writable and CD re-writable. In one the R stands for Recordable, in the other it stands for Re followed by Writable. I would have named them CDWR and CDW thus keeping the term writable constant. Also in computer terms, one never records to a drive. You write to it. It is only in audio that the term recordable is used. Lawrence - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
