Re: MD: What is Sony thinking?
... The real culprit in this battle is the RIAA, whose silly rules create the problem in the first place. If it weren't for the fact that, for legal reasons, every consumer device capable of recording digital audio sold in the US must be classified as either an audio recorder or a computer peripheral. [...] But this was the era in which MD was born, and I think we're still bearing the legacy of that thinking to this day. Hello! First of all, I would like to introduce myself. I bought my first MiniDisc portable player/recorder (the Sharp MD-MT831; imported from Japan at considerable expense) last summer. I am now thinking of purchasing a MiniDisc/CD/Radio deck for my room which would act as a dubbing station and an alarm clock. This decision came after I recently realized that I've become a pretty big proponent of the MiniDisc format. Either way, with regards to the above, I have to say that I was extremely disappointed with the legislation imposed by the RIAA when I first learned about it. I've heard of many great technologies held back by legislation or politics, and I find it sad to see that the MiniDisc format is one of them. To conclude my introduction, I would like to know if anyone knows anything about the Sharp MD-MX20 deck. It was the first deck I saw that truly suited my needs and thankfully, the least expensive. Does anyone own one? Does anyone have any feedback that may help me in my buying decision? I've already searched C|Net, Minidisco, PlanetMinidisc, Minidisc.org and MiniDisc.ch, but the Sharp MX20 seems to be too new, and no one has any real information on it. Thanks for your time, - Anthony L. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: What is Sony thinking?!?
Agreed. I think that MP3 is far too computer-intensive. Granted, downloading MP3s is far easier if you have a power connection to the Internet instead of a dial-up, but I still feel it's just too much trouble for not enough quality. Jonathan C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tell me about it. In work its great to download mp3s for free music, I dont keep them as files I just transfer them as audio to a md from the back of my sun station. But: At home it takes me about 20mins to download a 3 min mp3 which is crazy. I just dont like them for some reason. I even got a CD burner a few days ago and would not make audio comps for my own listening, way to easy to damage. Ill stick with the burner for data storage. Still prefer the MD over everything for music. Bryan http://bullets.gothic.ie - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: MD: What is Sony thinking?
With respect to the 1X PC - MD problem and why they havent come out with a recorder with a decent built-in USB interface, I think they're play "both sides of the fence" when it comes to issues of whether MD classifies as a music recorder or a computer peripheral. The real culprit in this battle is the RIAA, whose silly rules create the problem in the first place. If it weren't for the fact that, for legal reasons, every consumer device capable of recording digital audio sold in the US must be classified as either an audio recorder or a computer peripheral. Audio recorders (MD and CDR audio) are subject to SCMS and the RIAA's tax, whereas computer peripherals (CDR data and MP3) are not. With the latest growth of CDR and MP3, maybe the RIAA will realize that they've lost the battle anyway. I think the reason that stricter standards were put into place for MD has to do a lot with the era (10 years ago) when the MD standards were put into place. For those of you that remember, the precursor to SCMS (in the late 80s) was an ANALOG system that placed a very narrow notch in the frequency response of the copyrighted music which all audio recorders (even analog cassette decks) were to recognize and refuse to record (not even ONE copy, as SCMS allows). Luckily, extensive NIST tests showed that the notch was very annoying in many types of music, and so the RIAA backed down. But this was the era in which MD was born, and I think we're still bearing the legacy of that thinking to this day. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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chaulsr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And last, personally I prefer MD. It's easy to record, I just snap in a CD and a MD then press several buttons. For MP3, I need to go through all those softwares and have to spare my computer. Agreed. I think that MP3 is far too computer-intensive. Granted, downloading MP3s is far easier if you have a power connection to the Internet instead of a dial-up, but I still feel it's just too much trouble for not enough quality. Jonathan C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: What is Sony thinking?!?
this kinda has to do with this subject, but only a little. last evening we had some nasty snowy weather here and our power was out for about 10 hrs. right after it went out i decided, since i was wide awake, to listen to some music, i got out my trusty portable MD player and started to listen to it. just laying there i realized one super major bigtime realization(ok well maybe it isn't so bigtime) if you are listening to MD on a portable that has been digitally copied, IMO you can not tell the difference between the original and the copy, at least on sub $150 headphones or any earbuds. However just the opposite can be stated about MP3's, i can be listening with crappy $0.99 earphones and definately tell the difference between the original and the copy. Anyway i got that out of my system, i love my MD players and i've converted many people over from getting portable MP3 players to getting MD players, after they realize how much media costs for mp3 players and how bad they exactly sound they realize how big of a piece of crap they are. Hopefully some day there will be a good solid state solution that has no or extremely little cd loss with high compression, but until that time comes i'm sticking with MD. - Original Message - From: "chaulsr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:03 AM Subject: RE: MD: What is Sony thinking?!? From what I observed Sony had changed the way it market MD in the past 2 years. When I first saw MD about 10 years ago, it advertised as Compact, Digital Audio, Near CD sound quality, and most important, Recordable/Editable. As that time Sony is targetting the audio tape, so that make sense for all that claims. And MD does a good job and take over most of the market from audio tape. But what happened in recent years is the new MP3 format which started with a software only implementation and later got hardware implemented, plus the advancement of memory technology which end up a price drop. So a MP3 player make sense and most computer users can easily produce/collect their own MP3 collections. So we now see Sony kindly offer us USB connection and MDLP which extended the fantasy of MD. I guess that's toward the Computer users rather than the audio market. And last, personally I prefer MD. It's easy to record, I just snap in a CD and a MD then press several buttons. For MP3, I need to go through all those softwares and have to spare my computer. And for the long run, MD should be cheaper. Just my 2 cents. Raymond How can the folks at Sony be so thick-headed? The Fall 2000 issue of Sony Style magazine advises us to connect the USB PCLink to our computers to "record mixes to your MD recorder with almost no loss in sound quality." To further reinforce their contention that MD doesn't sound as good as it could, they go on to advertise their MDW-80D premium discs as being constructed in a way that "reduces vibrations during disc rotation to produce even better sound." While MP3 advocates crow about their "near CD sound quality," Sony seems to want to warn people that Minidisc doesn't really sound that good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: md-l-mimedigest V2 #829 Message: md-l-mimedigest V2 #829 (530 bytes) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] === s K O q l l c http://sinamail.sina.com.hk Y U SinaTicker http://sinaticker.sina.com.hk === s K O q l l c http://sinamail.sina.com.hk Y U SinaTicker http://sinaticker.sina.com.hk - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: What is Sony thinking?!?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === or md portables that can transfer files rather than recording i belive...if one thing that lacks when it comes to MD is the recording speed I mean if somehow someway the speed is on the same level as them mp3 players...i am sure there are tons of peoples who wouldn't even have a second thought when it comes to MDbut even then i can live with slow speed when i compare the costs :) - Original Message - From: "Matt Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:57 AM Subject: Re: MD: What is Sony thinking?!? this kinda has to do with this subject, but only a little. last evening we had some nasty snowy weather here and our power was out for about 10 hrs. right after it went out i decided, since i was wide awake, to listen to some music, i got out my trusty portable MD player and started to listen to it. just laying there i realized one super major bigtime realization(ok well maybe it isn't so bigtime) if you are listening to MD on a portable that has been digitally copied, IMO you can not tell the difference between the original and the copy, at least on sub $150 headphones or any earbuds. However just the opposite can be stated about MP3's, i can be listening with crappy $0.99 earphones and definately tell the difference between the original and the copy. Anyway i got that out of my system, i love my MD players and i've converted many people over from getting portable MP3 players to getting MD players, after they realize how much media costs for mp3 players and how bad they exactly sound they realize how big of a piece of crap they are. Hopefully some day there will be a good solid state solution that has no or extremely little cd loss with high compression, but until that time comes i'm sticking with MD. - Original Message - From: "chaulsr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:03 AM Subject: RE: MD: What is Sony thinking?!? From what I observed Sony had changed the way it market MD in the past 2 years. When I first saw MD about 10 years ago, it advertised as Compact, Digital Audio, Near CD sound quality, and most important, Recordable/Editable. As that time Sony is targetting the audio tape, so that make sense for all that claims. And MD does a good job and take over most of the market from audio tape. But what happened in recent years is the new MP3 format which started with a software only implementation and later got hardware implemented, plus the advancement of memory technology which end up a price drop. So a MP3 player make sense and most computer users can easily produce/collect their own MP3 collections. So we now see Sony kindly offer us USB connection and MDLP which extended the fantasy of MD. I guess that's toward the Computer users rather than the audio market. And last, personally I prefer MD. It's easy to record, I just snap in a CD and a MD then press several buttons. For MP3, I need to go through all those softwares and have to spare my computer. And for the long run, MD should be cheaper. Just my 2 cents. Raymond How can the folks at Sony be so thick-headed? The Fall 2000 issue of Sony Style magazine advises us to connect the USB PCLink to our computers to "record mixes to your MD recorder with almost no loss in sound quality." To further reinforce their contention that MD doesn't sound as good as it could, they go on to advertise their MDW-80D premium discs as being constructed in a way that "reduces vibrations during disc rotation to produce even better sound." While MP3 advocates crow about their "near CD sound quality," Sony seems to want to warn people that Minidisc doesn't really sound that good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: md-l-mimedigest V2 #829 Message: md-l-mimedigest V2 #829 (530 bytes) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] === s K O q l l c http://sinamail.sina.com.hk Y U SinaTicker http://sinaticker.sina.com.hk === s K O q l l c http://sinamail.sina.com.hk Y U SinaTicker http://sinaticker.sina.com.hk - To stop getting this
MD: What is Sony thinking?!?
How can the folks at Sony be so thick-headed? The Fall 2000 issue of Sony Style magazine advises us to connect the USB PCLink to our computers to "record mixes to your MD recorder with almost no loss in sound quality." To further reinforce their contention that MD doesn't sound as good as it could, they go on to advertise their MDW-80D premium discs as being constructed in a way that "reduces vibrations during disc rotation to produce even better sound." While MP3 advocates crow about their "near CD sound quality," Sony seems to want to warn people that Minidisc doesn't really sound that good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:md-l-mimedigest V2 #829 Message: md-l-mimedigest V2 #829 (530 bytes) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: What is Sony thinking?!?
It's the same thinking that brought us that beloved END SEARCH button that lets people record over material they want to keep. David Helgerson wrote: How can the folks at Sony be so thick-headed? The Fall 2000 issue of Sony Style magazine advises us to connect the USB PCLink to our computers to "record mixes to your MD recorder with almost no loss in sound quality." -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
