MD: length of a '74' MD

2001-06-10 Thread Christoph Hertel


Hello,

I'm just playing around with my new MD recorder and those funny MDs
themselves. I just noticed that I can record 74:57 minutes on a MD
marked with '74'. I wonder why the people selling those MDs just don't
say it's 75 min MD? Or does the length decrease with the number of
track marks? Or have I just the wrong problems?


Christoph
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Re: MD: length of a '74' MD

2001-06-10 Thread Robert J. Lynn Jr.


They cant sell it as 75minute because its not - its 74 minutes 57 seconds -
those 3 seconds count for a lot.
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 Hello,

 I'm just playing around with my new MD recorder and those funny MDs
 themselves. I just noticed that I can record 74:57 minutes on a MD
 marked with '74'. I wonder why the people selling those MDs just don't
 say it's 75 min MD? Or does the length decrease with the number of
 track marks? Or have I just the wrong problems?


 Christoph
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Re: MD: length of a '74' MD

2001-06-10 Thread PrinceGaz


Actually it's 74m59s, but because each individually recorded track takes
up space in two second clusters, the unused bits left over mean that
only recording in one continuous session allows you to fill all of that
space.  Given that on average one second of space will be lost at the
end of each session, that still allows for 59 sessions, probably more
than most of us use (remeber session does not necessarily mean tracks,
track boundaries if recorded in one session can occur mid-cluster
without loss of space).

Similarly 80min discs allow 80m59s recording and 60min discs if you can
still find them allow 60m59.  Longer play modes (mono, LP2, LP4) give
a multiple of both the maximum recording time (eg. 149m58s) and the
cluster size (eg. 4 secs).

If you really need to get every last scrap of space out of a disc, if
copying tracks from eg. several CDs, by leaving the record session in
pause mode instead of stopping it whenever you change the source disc
will avoid the loss of a second or so each time.  Whenever the TOC is
written to the MD, that will close the current cluster and lose any
free space in it.

PrinceGaz.

From: Robert J. Lynn Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 They cant sell it as 75minute because its not - its 74 minutes 57 seconds -
 those 3 seconds count for a lot.

 From: Christoph Hertel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Hello,
  I'm just playing around with my new MD recorder and those funny MDs
  themselves. I just noticed that I can record 74:57 minutes on a MD
  marked with '74'. I wonder why the people selling those MDs just don't
  say it's 75 min MD? Or does the length decrease with the number of
  track marks? Or have I just the wrong problems?


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Re: MD: length of a '74' MD

2001-06-10 Thread David W. Tamkin


Gaz wrote a bunch of correct stuff, but then,

| If you really need to get every last scrap of space out of a disc, if
| copying tracks from eg. several CDs, by leaving the record session in
| pause mode instead of stopping it whenever you change the source disc
| will avoid the loss of a second or so each time.

No, that won't work; whenever you pause recording the recorder will jump to
the start of the next cluster, and when you release pause it will continue
from there.  The only ways I can think of off-hand to get active tracks to
share a cluster are these:

1. to mark a track manually while recording;
2. to let a change in subcode bits mark a new track during recording from
   digital input;
3. depending on the unit, to let sync mode mark a new track when sound re-
   sumes after silence; or
4. to divide a track after recording.

In my experimentation with Sony's Smart Space, it starts the track after the
silence at the beginning of a cluster when it truncates a longer silence to
three seconds.

| Whenever the TOC is written to the MD, that will close the current cluster
| and lose any free space in it.

Yes.

Unavailable partial clusters (and unavailable runs shorter than six whole
clusters) are recovered when the track[s] using rest of the cluster is/are
deleted and the contiguous open space is at least six whole clusters.

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