RE: MD: Copy-Proof CDs (Long)
On 14 Sep 99, at 13:45, Simon Mackay wrote: Hi everyone What has happened to permitting "fair use" of copyright materials? It's alive and healthy; however, "I really want it" is not now and never has been considered "fair use". For those who are interested, Stanford University has a comprehensive :fair use" web page at http://fairuse.stanford.edu/. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.cloud9.net/~salzberg - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Copy-Proof CDs (Long)
Hi everyone What has happened to permitting "fair use" of copyright materials? Have governments and rights-holders, especially publishers, lost the sight of the spirit of the DAT Pact and, the Betamax decision and other copyright decisions to allow home recording for purposes such as archiving, transfer to another media for use in equipment capable of playing that media; recording broadcasts for use at a later time or in a different location; and making custom-built recordings of songs. Often it is the publisher who is obsessed about copyright more than the artist. Artists who go for "burden-free" distribution such as MP3 have had a fair bit of grief from their publishers because the publisher loses control of the work. Publishers who object to technologies like digital radio, Internet radio and Internet-based music distribution; utilise technical methods to prevent recordings from being copied at all and take action against retailers importing music themselvss are really trying to control how each copy of music is distributed. Some publishers even want to take action against the sale of second-hand music so they still have control over each copy of music. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Copy-Proof CDs (Long)
From: John Chrapowicki Bottom line; why do I want to buy a disc that won't play on my PC, that won't play on my hi-fi system, that I can't transfer to listen to on my portable minidisc player? Actually, I don't think I have anything that one of these discs will play on. The answer is a no-brainer: NO SALE. While I agree 100%, I certainly will buy a number of them...just so I can return them. *I* know they won't play, but I'll still go through the exercise to make a point. :-) Rick. Right on, here in Britain if the product is faulty in any way, and I guess that includes CDs with that "Compact Disc Digital Audio" not playing in any device also with that marking, they can be exchanged or refunded. Well that's what I do anyway. [UK readers comment]- Then again I'm the sort of guy that tunes in to Watchdog every week on TV, and isn't afraid to complain-- even to the point of refunds on used computer software from shops with signs saying they don't! The motto "The customer is always right" is the one to believe in-- and actually I think if V2 produce another SCMS Final disc, we should all buy it, then take it back and demand a refund. And do the same at other shops in our local city. Once V2 realise their high-street sales are suffering they'd have no choice but to come back in line! Cheers, PrinceGaz - the shop-owners nightmare - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Copy-Proof CDs (Long)
From: John Chrapowicki Bottom line; why do I want to buy a disc that won't play on my PC, that won't play on my hi-fi system, that I can't transfer to listen to on my portable minidisc player? Actually, I don't think I have anything that one of these discs will play on. The answer is a no-brainer: NO SALE. While I agree 100%, I certainly will buy a number of them...just so I can return them. *I* know they won't play, but I'll still go through the exercise to make a point. :-) Rick. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alienshore.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Copy-Proof CDs (Long)
I forwarded the note on copy-proof CDs to a colleague of mine who sent this reply which makes a few interesting points: Quote I had seen a press release on this a few weeks back (July 28th) , but some of the details were different: http://www.emediapro.net/news99/news732.html See also: http://www.c-dilla.com Curiously I could find no details of the AudioLok product at all on their web site, but their SafeDisc product at least indicates some knowledge of CD-ROM technology and copy-protection systems. As a concept, though, it raises some interesting points. The ultimate copy-proof disc is one that will play on no players at all. Tragically for the purveyors of copy protection, not many people could be enticed into buying discs that won't ever play. In protecting the content there has to be a trade off that does allow the consumer access to the content that they have paid for. What I read in this press release sounded to me like they were proposing something curiously close to the 'ultimate copy-proof disc'. The report I originally read did not contain the reference 'and even to prevent a digital signal from being passed through a player's digital outputs', which eliminates the most obvious way to get around the protection. I wonder, was this line added to the report at a later time or was is just not reported initially? So we have wonderful copy protected CDs. You cannot play them on your PC. You cannot play them if you use digital connections between your CD player and amplifier. And of course, you cannot play them in your hi-fi CD-R deck. Bummer if any of that limits your options. Another aside; my experience with DVD players and CD-Rs leads me to think that DVD players are far less tolerant of mastering errors in CD audio than are regular CD players, will these discs play in DVD video players? And one step further on, will they play in DVD audio players? I hope they will work in DVD players, or they will have to have a really big sticker saying 'WARNING: This disc will not play in PC CD drives, or in home hi-fi systems that use optical interconnects, or in any CD-R deck; also incompatible with DVD video and DVD audio players.' Herein lies what I see as a major problem with the copy protection scheme. A high quality analogue link to a high quality sound card would allow the audio to be re-digitized with only minimal loss. Certainly good enough if all you plan to do is encode to MP3 and post on the internet. So I feel that they need to re-evaluate the one remaining hole in their protection scheme. They need to eliminate any form of analogue output. Then they could simplify the sticker to say 'WARNING: will not play on any CD player at all', and they would have the ultimate copy-protection system. This copy-protection scheme eliminates too many legitimate consumers. How many discs will be returned; 'it won't play on my PC', 'it won't play on my CD-R etc. How do you market that kind of good publicity? People expect CD audio discs to be compatible with CD audio players, hey - is that such a crazy idea? CD-ROM drives are marketed as being CD audio compatible, as are CD-R decks. This proposal flies directly in the face of that. 'You need a certain special type of player to work with the protection system' - maybe they could charge extra for a 'feature' like that. Such an obvious business idea I am amazed some bunch of Hollywood lawyers hasn't already tried it. But hold on, anyone know what happened to that wonderfully successful DIVX system? :) Bottom line; why do I want to buy a disc that won't play on my PC, that won't play on my hi-fi system, that I can't transfer to listen to on my portable minidisc player? Actually, I don't think I have anything that one of these discs will play on. The answer is a no-brainer: NO SALE. (Or maybe I will have to get a pirated copy that I *can* play...) EndQuote - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
