Re: MD: Shuffle on G750

2001-03-28 Thread dattier


Peter Ravn wrote,

| I have just observed that the shuffle repeat track order is always the same
| on the same disc!

Try it on a different disc with the same number of tracks.  I had a Sony
portable CD player (E33 maybe?) like that: for any given total number of
tracks it would always use the same shuffle order.  I noticed when I was
playing through a CD series whose songs were parceled out twelve to each
disc; every disc I played in shuffle mode picked up its tracks in the same
sequence as every othe twelve-track disc.

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Re: MD: Shuffle on G750

2001-03-28 Thread Timothy Stockman


well, 1,3,7,15,31 is (2^n)-1, though the rest of the pattern seems irregular.
any ideas?

Sounds something like a shift-register (with XOR taps) pseudo-random generator.
They always generate the same sequence, which never contains zero.  (Zero would
cause the sequence to get "stuck".)  The maximum length of the sequence (given
proper tap selection) is 2^n - 1, where "n" is the length in bits of the shift 
register.
The key to using this type of sequence is to have a long sequence (16 or even 32
bits) and to use a function of some variable, like time/date or length of a key-press,
to determine the starting position.

When properly designed, this type of sequence generator always produces a sequence
2^n -1 long, which would probably not corespond to the number of tracks on the disc,
so it could be used to "shuffle" the order in an array that contained a number of 
unique
elements corresponding to the number of tracks.

With proper precautions, this type of "shuffle" could generate many unique 
non-repeating
sequences, regardless of the number of tracks.


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Re: MD: Shuffle on G750

2001-03-27 Thread Peter Jaques


well, 1,3,7,15,31 is (2^n)-1, though the rest of the pattern seems irregular.
any ideas?

peter

On 27 Mar 01,  1:30PM, Peter Ravn wrote:
 I have tried with a disc with 58 tracks the order was always 1, 3, 7, 15,
 31, 42, 41, 38, 25... and even if I first hear track 3 then the order
 will be the same so the next tracks will be 7, 15, 31, etc :-) and if
 I began at track 31 then the next tracks will be 42, 41, 38... etc

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Re: MD: Shuffle on G750

2001-03-27 Thread Dan Scellen


I think it's pretty amazing that you picked up on that sequence...

Dan

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 well, 1,3,7,15,31 is (2^n)-1, though the rest of the pattern seems
irregular.
 any ideas?

 peter

 On 27 Mar 01,  1:30PM, Peter Ravn wrote:
  I have tried with a disc with 58 tracks the order was always 1, 3, 7,
15,
  31, 42, 41, 38, 25... and even if I first hear track 3 then the order
  will be the same so the next tracks will be 7, 15, 31, etc :-) and
if
  I began at track 31 then the next tracks will be 42, 41, 38... etc

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