[mdaemon-l] Error sewaktu kirim ke yahoo mail

2018-10-26 Terurut Topik Syafril Hermansyah
On 25/10/18 16.49, Andriansyah (andrians...@lionair.co.id) wrote:

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Mohon tidak menggunakan top posting style saat reply di milis ini.
Selalu gunakan bottom posting atau interleave style seperti contoh
berikut ini

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette#Replies

Top posting merepotkan pembacaan karena perlu waktu scroll up/down untuk
mengerti konteks pembicaraan.

http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/on_top

The fundamental source of poor email style is the practice of quoting
the entire message you’re replying to. If that’s what you do, then it
doesn’t matter whether you put your response at the top or bottom. In
fact, if you’re going to quote the entire message, top-posting probably
is better. But both are poor form.

Writing an email is like writing an article. Only quote the relevant
parts, interspersing your new remarks between the quoted passages. Don’t
quote anything at all from the original message if you don’t have to.

Does it take more time to edit the portions of quoted text included in
your reply? Yes. So does spell-checking and proofreading. It also takes
time to shower and brush your teeth each day.

Ganti email clientnya jika memang tidak bisa menggunakan internet quote
style, misalkan pakai MDaemon webmail atau lainnya

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-of-the-best-desktop-email-clients-for-windows-that-dont-cost-a-dime/

atau installkan tambahan utility WlmQuoteFix dikombinasi dengan autohotkey.

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/
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> Terimakasih pak atas penjelasannya. setelah saya cek sudah sesuai
> setting DSNnya dgn apa yg direkomendasikan dibawah.


Kalau begitu sabar saja menunggu, saat message rate limit yahoo sudah
menurun nanti akan bisa lagi kirim mail ke yahoo.
Umumnya yahoo akan meninjau ulang rate limit terhadap sender IP yang
mengirim mail dari domain yang mengaktfikan DKIM (Yahoo adalah pencetus
DKIM).
Dengan perkataan lain, aktifkan DKIM agar kirim mail ke yahoo bypass
rate limit mereka.

Lihat cara mengaktifkan DKIM disini

https://www.mail-archive.com/mdaemon-l@dutaint.com/msg39107.html

Untuk sementara bisa ubah delivery nya untuk fallback relay ke smrthost.

http://mdaemon.dutaint.co.id/mdaemon/18.5/index.html?default-domain-and-servers_delivery.htm

[x] Send all email directly first, and then to smart hosts if there are
problems

Default smart host: smarthost.isp.net.id


> Tetapi mungkin mmg dikarenakan byk user kami yg forwarded email
> perusahaan mereka ke email yahoo mereka. Saya akan sedikit tertibkan
> mengenai aturan forwarded.


Tidak apa-2x sih melakukan autoforward ke yahoo dengan maksud untuk
mendapatkan backup mail ke akun yang unlimited quota.
Masalah quota ini menjadi pertimbangan utama dibanding akun di free
public mail lain misalkan gmail.com, outlook.com atau icloud.com.
Gmail.com, icloud.com punya problematik lain, setelah mailbox penuh akan
ditolak dengan temporary error (4xx) yang membuat sender host keep retry
yang membuat retry queue menumpuk.



-- 
syafril
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Syafril Hermansyah
MDaemon-L Moderators, running MDaemon 18.5.1-64 bit Beta A
Harap tidak cc: atau kirim ke private mail untuk masalah MDaemon.

The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you
learn, the more places you'll go.
---  Dr. Seuss, I Can Read With My Eyes Shut!


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[mdaemon-l] Error sewaktu kirim ke yahoo mail

2018-10-25 Terurut Topik Andriansyah
Terimakasih pak atas penjelasannya. setelah saya cek sudah sesuai setting 
DSNnya dgn apa yg direkomendasikan dibawah.
Tetapi mungkin mmg dikarenakan byk user kami yg forwarded email perusahaan 
mereka ke email yahoo mereka. Saya akan sedikit tertibkan mengenai aturan 
forwarded.


Thanks and Regards
Andriansyah

-Original Message- 
From: Syafril Hermansyah (syaf...@dutaint.co.id)

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:38 PM
To: mdaemon-l@dutaint.com
Subject: [mdaemon-l] Error sewaktu kirim ke yahoo mail

On 25/10/18 15.09, Andriansyah (andrians...@lionair.co.id) wrote:

Mohon penjelasannya mengenai error log dibawah yg saya dapatkan sewaktu
kirim email ke yahoo.



[696315] <-- 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 36.37.91.140 temporarily 
deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html



Mail ditolak sementara karena terlalu banyak kirim mail ke yahoo.com family.
Yahoo (dan umumnya public mail domain) menerapkan maksimum receiving
mail limit per hours, kalau dilewati akan muncul error macam itu.

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html

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Our recommendations

- The error is temporary. We encourage you to retry sending emails 4
hours after encountering the error.
-If you're not the administrator of the mail server in question, we
suggest you contact the administrator directly to discuss the error.
-If you're an administrator of message content and mailing policy
and you've deployed significant changes or you've received this error
for more than 48 hours, we ask that you review outgoing messages for
objectionable content or practices.
-See our recommended guidelines for bulk mail senders and
postmasters and note we don't disclose further information about our
filtering practices.
<--

mengikuti rekomendasi yahoo, penerapannya di MDaemon menjadi sbb:

http://mdaemon.dutaint.co.id/mdaemon/18.5/index.html?pdc--delivery--retry_queue_settings.htm

ikuti nilai "Keep message in the remote queue for at least XX minutes"
dan "Retry sending undeliverable mail once every xx minutes" serta "If a
message is still undeliverable after xx days" ke standard instalasi
(sesuai gambar).

dan

http://mdaemon.dutaint.co.id/mdaemon/18.5/index.html?default-domain-and-servers_sessions.htm

Limit simultaneous connections by IP to 10




--
syafril
---
Syafril Hermansyah
MDaemon-L Moderators, running MDaemon 18.5.1-64 bit Beta A
Harap tidak cc: atau kirim ke private mail untuk masalah MDaemon.

There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few
who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.
--- Will Rogers


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Berlangganan: Kirim mail ke mdaemon-l-subscr...@dutaint.com
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[mdaemon-l] Error sewaktu kirim ke yahoo mail

2018-10-25 Terurut Topik Syafril Hermansyah
On 25/10/18 15.09, Andriansyah (andrians...@lionair.co.id) wrote:
> Mohon penjelasannya mengenai error log dibawah yg saya dapatkan sewaktu
> kirim email ke yahoo.


> [696315] <-- 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 36.37.91.140 temporarily 
> deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see 
> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html


Mail ditolak sementara karena terlalu banyak kirim mail ke yahoo.com family.
Yahoo (dan umumnya public mail domain) menerapkan maksimum receiving
mail limit per hours, kalau dilewati akan muncul error macam itu.

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html

-->
Our recommendations

- The error is temporary. We encourage you to retry sending emails 4
hours after encountering the error.
-If you're not the administrator of the mail server in question, we
suggest you contact the administrator directly to discuss the error.
-If you're an administrator of message content and mailing policy
and you've deployed significant changes or you've received this error
for more than 48 hours, we ask that you review outgoing messages for
objectionable content or practices.
-See our recommended guidelines for bulk mail senders and
postmasters and note we don't disclose further information about our
filtering practices.
<--

mengikuti rekomendasi yahoo, penerapannya di MDaemon menjadi sbb:

http://mdaemon.dutaint.co.id/mdaemon/18.5/index.html?pdc--delivery--retry_queue_settings.htm

ikuti nilai "Keep message in the remote queue for at least XX minutes"
dan "Retry sending undeliverable mail once every xx minutes" serta "If a
message is still undeliverable after xx days" ke standard instalasi
(sesuai gambar).

dan

http://mdaemon.dutaint.co.id/mdaemon/18.5/index.html?default-domain-and-servers_sessions.htm

Limit simultaneous connections by IP to 10




-- 
syafril
---
Syafril Hermansyah
MDaemon-L Moderators, running MDaemon 18.5.1-64 bit Beta A
Harap tidak cc: atau kirim ke private mail untuk masalah MDaemon.

There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few
who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.
--- Will Rogers


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[mdaemon-l] Error sewaktu kirim ke yahoo mail

2018-10-25 Terurut Topik Andriansyah

Yth Pak Syafril,

Mohon penjelasannya mengenai error log dibawah yg saya dapatkan sewaktu 
kirim email ke yahoo.


Thanks and regards
Andriansyah



=  Session Transcript  =


 [696315] Session 696315; child 0006
 [696315] Parsing message 
 [696315] *  From: andrians...@harnas.co
 [696315] *  To: cumi_asin11...@yahoo.com
 [696315] *  Subject: Fwd: test pagi hari
 [696315] *  Size (bytes): 7285
 [696315] *  Message-ID: 
 [696315] Resolving MX record for yahoo.com (DNS Server: 202.152.5.36)...
 [696315] *  P=001 S=000 D=yahoo.com TTL=(27) MX=[mta5.am0.yahoodns.net]
 [696315] *  P=001 S=001 D=yahoo.com TTL=(27) MX=[mta7.am0.yahoodns.net]
 [696315] *  P=001 S=002 D=yahoo.com TTL=(27) MX=[mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]
 [696315] Attempting SMTP connection to mta5.am0.yahoodns.net
 [696315] Resolving A record for mta5.am0.yahoodns.net (DNS Server: 
202.152.5.36)...

 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[66.218.85.139]
 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[74.6.137.65]
 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.26]
 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[74.6.137.64]
 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[67.195.228.141]
 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.28]
 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.136.101.117]
 [696315] *  D=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[67.195.229.59]
 [696315] Randomly picked 67.195.228.141 from list of possible hosts
 [696315] Attempting SMTP connection to 67.195.228.141:25
 [696315] Waiting for socket connection...
 [696315] *  Connection established 36.37.91.140:57479 --> 
67.195.228.141:25

 [696315] Waiting for protocol to start...
 [696315] <-- 220 mta5034.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ESMTP ready
 [696315] --> EHLO mail.harnas.co
 [696315] <-- 250-mta5034.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
 [696315] <-- 250-SIZE 41943040
 [696315] <-- 250 OK
 [696315] --> MAIL From: SIZE=7285
 [696315] Socket connection closed by the other side (how rude!)
 [696315] Attempting SMTP connection to mta7.am0.yahoodns.net
 [696315] Resolving A record for mta7.am0.yahoodns.net (DNS Server: 
202.152.5.36)...

 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[66.218.85.52]
 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.136.101.117]
 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.26]
 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.28]
 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.25]
 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[66.218.85.139]
 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.136.102.54]
 [696315] *  D=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[74.6.137.65]
 [696315] Randomly picked 66.218.85.52 from list of possible hosts
 [696315] Attempting SMTP connection to 66.218.85.52:25
 [696315] Waiting for socket connection...
 [696315] *  Connection established 36.37.91.140:57631 --> 66.218.85.52:25
 [696315] Waiting for protocol to start...
 [696315] <-- 220 mta4023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ESMTP ready
 [696315] --> EHLO mail.harnas.co
 [696315] <-- 250-mta4023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
 [696315] <-- 250-PIPELINING
 [696315] <-- 250-SIZE 41943040
 [696315] <-- 250-8BITMIME
 [696315] <-- 250 STARTTLS
 [696315] --> STARTTLS
 [696315] <-- 220 2.0.0 Start TLS
 [696315] SSL negotiation successful (TLS 1.2, 256 bit key exchange, 128 
bit AES encryption)
 [696315] SSL certificate is valid (matches mta7.am0.yahoodns.net and is 
signed by recognized CA)

 [696315] --> EHLO mail.harnas.co
 [696315] <-- 250-mta4023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
 [696315] <-- 250-PIPELINING
 [696315] <-- 250-SIZE 41943040
 [696315] <-- 250 8BITMIME
 [696315] --> MAIL From: SIZE=7285
 [696315] <-- 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 36.37.91.140 temporarily 
deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html

 [696315] --> QUIT
 [696315] Attempting SMTP connection to mta6.am0.yahoodns.net
 [696315] Resolving A record for mta6.am0.yahoodns.net (DNS Server: 
202.152.5.36)...

 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.27]
 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.136.101.117]
 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[67.195.228.141]
 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.28]
 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.137.159.26]
 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[98.136.102.54]
 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[74.6.137.63]
 [696315] *  D=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net TTL=(0) A=[67.195.229.59]
 [696315] Randomly picked 74.6.137.63 from list of possible hosts
 [696315] Attempting SMTP connection to 74.6.137.63:25
 [696315] Waiting for socket connection...
 [696315] *  Connection established 36.37.91.140:57887 --> 74.6.137.63:25
 [696315] Waiting for protocol to start...
 [696315] <-- 220 mta4254.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ESMTP ready
 [696315] --> EHLO mail.harnas.co
 [696315] <-- 250-mta4254.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
 [696315] <-- 250-PIPELINING
 [696315] <-- 250-SIZE 41943040
 [696315] <-- 250-8BITMIME
 [696315] <--