2011/10/12 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 20:55, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote:
Initially the project will be developing a Core for basing products on
and will split UX and hardware adaptations out into seperate projects
within the community surrounding the Core. -- hence the there's no
the Mer Handset UX.
There's some reasons why this split. [...]
Thanks makes sense and is well explained. Having said that, I'd be
concerned that a small Core with a few hackers won't be possible to
gain enough momentum to capture a new middle-tier-or-above vendor.
Honestly, I think where success lies is with small to medium vendors
instead. That's who will have the most strength from this. Of course,
the solutions that we intend to provide will be usable for bigger
organisations too.
2) We want to move much of the politics out of the Mer project and
motivate people to create and build their own projects, though basing
on Mer, much in the same way site projects are based upon Apache
httpd. - we can't and don't want to govern projects utilizing the
core, let them innovate on their own terms.
Apache's an interesting choice of example given there *is* an
overarching Apache project and brand under which projects like JCL,
Tomcat, HTTPD, Commons Lang, Commons Collections and so on all
operate.
Agreed, perhaps Linux would be a better comparison
There was a discussion about same topic some days back on IRC and the
conclusion we reached was: [...]
It's a little disappointing that so much is happening in realtime on
IRC, preventing those who can't participate 24x7 from contributing.
It's still a massive step-up on private conference calls within MeeGo,
but it is still a barrier to openness when ad-hoc discussions result
in decisions without any pre-prepared agenda. Even post-communication
to the mailing lists would be sufficent.
Agreed - we had a hiccup with DNS so that's blocking Mer mailing lists
for a little bit.
Well put. But what is the success criteria? My suggestion would be
that a vendor is looking for an ecosystem-in-a-box whilst providing
the differentiation capabilities they feel they need to succeed in
their market. That means a good core; points where they can integrate
either an off-the-shelf OSS UI or build their own differentiating one;
good tools (both for app developers and their own developers looking
to adapt to their hardware) and an assurance that some things (e.g.
security updates for some packages) will be got for free.
Let's face it - if giant companies have difficulties making
ecosystems, we'll have even more difficulties. What I think really has
value is the fact that you can avoid hiring a lot of Linux people to
maintain a simple stack. That it's easy to get things made - want an
alarm clock? here, take a beagleboard and an LCD and some speakers,
write some QML, there you go.
A bootstrapping project which delivers a tight Linux userland with Qt
might not provide sufficient leg up for it to appear on a list of
options compared with the perceived weight of Ubuntu/Debian/... (or
even, heaven forbid, Tizen).
The problem is, again that if those solutions are really so great and
easy, why aren't people having an easy time building products using
these things?
With Tizen, it's vaporware right now. But we intend on utilizing Tizen
in the core where possible - our angle is just ease through Qt instead
and a open innovative process.
So, I suppose my question is: what's the perceived problem? How does
Mer address it? How is success measured? And is Core the focus because
it's the right answer for the perceived problem or because it's
pragmatically the thing which can be delivered now?
Success for Mer is measured in people using it to innovate and for
people to make prototypes and products using it. The Core is the focus
as this is the simple thing many really lust for is a simple,
easy-to-port working Linux platform, openly developed and governed
that doesn't rely on the whims of corporate choices and roadmaps, that
you can build your business on without risking bankruptcy at every new
keynote opportunity.
Success for myself is if I have a stable foundation for my business to
make products in a world like in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38 - and having fun developing
the core at same time.
BR
Carsten Munk
Cheers,
Andrew
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