Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Bob Rentfro]

Sunil typed:

"Not my fault
if people don't do their homework."

Exactly.
We'd never have any "bargins" or "diamonds in the rough" if a buyer, to be 
"ethically correct", was to inform the seller what the item is worth. People 
who want to sell stuff need to be familiar enough with what they are selling 
to ask a reasonable price to get what the item is worth.
The "do your homework" phrase applies to many parts of our lives...but 
people rarely do their homework (namely most political/religious/ethics etc 
discussions).


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 160K
'87 Acura Legend  178K
Litchfield Park, AZ 

[MBZ] OT: buyers integrity (was: Re: Low miles 83 CD available)

[ernest breakfield]

hi Chuck!

so, your morals change based on the situation, and whether or not
it's to your advantage? (thanks for the warning! ;-P )
just for the sake of argument, where exactly do you draw that line?

would i take advantage of good price with the seller in full
knowledge? absolutely, and i'd negotiate to my best position, and we
could both feel honorable about how it wound up.
would i take advantage of someone who didn't know what they were
selling? not at all. (gender is of no relevance, except that i generally
wouldn't expect that most women would be as likely to know about the
value of cars, based on most of their lower general interest in things
motorized.)


cheers!
e


Chuck Landenberger wrote:

> Ernest,
>
> I believe we are talking about the sale of a car!  If it were some
> life threatening situation, all the criteria change!
>
> As a general practice, I don't believe it's the responsibility of the
> "informed" to share information w/the "uninformed".  If the Hope
> Diamond came up advertised a "chunk of glass", would you not jump on
> a low price?
>
> And as for me, if I found a good deal, the sex of the other party is
> irrelevant.I'd use my knowledge/experience to get the deal that
> is best for me!
>
> It's an open market and let the "seller and buyer both beware",
> prepared with their best tools..  Sorry I couldn't do that in
> latin..  All I know is "caveat emptor"...   This does not mean I
> want to "take advantage" of the other person...  When I sold my '80
> 300SD, I threw in a whole bunch of stuff w/o charge!
>
> Just an opinion...
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ
>
> On Oct 11, 2006, at 4:00 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>
> > Sunil,
> >
> > i realize what's considered acceptable business behavior isn't
> > the same in
> > all cultures, but try asking yourself this; how would you want
> > people to treat
> > *you*? how about your mom/wife/sister?
> >
> > ignoring that, how proud would you be to take advantage of a
> > woman?
> > especially one who didn't know better?
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> >
> > Sunil Hari wrote:
> >
> >> see, when you said she didn't know the value, my eyes lit up.  Not
> >> my fault
> >> if people don't do their homework.  But if she knows what it's
> >> "worth" (esp.
> >> after sitting for years!)  then there's no way in hell.
> >>
> >> If both sides have equal information, I'm a totally reasonable
> >> guy.  But if
> >> there's asymmetry of information, I'll use it to my advantage.
> >> Wouldn't
> >> you?  Or would you pay more in the interest of "fairness?"
> >
> > [snip]

Re: [MBZ] HELP MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK

[Loren Faeth]

No hep fer Texans!


At 06:43 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote:

OK I pushed that Caps Lock button, and now I can't get my hat off my
head.  Somebody hep me!!!

--R

OK Don wrote:
> Either "write" in Paint with the mouse, or get Dragon Naturally
> Speaking and dictate. Don't type until the keyboard is repaired.
>
> On 10/11/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If that doesn't work, hold down the shift key while you type.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Darrell W. Sigmon]

Now if you fellas want a very nice '83 burgundy out and palomino inside, 
Euro headlights 300CD with 72k on it, no wreck, no rust and in super 
excellent condition, I've owned it since '85 and it will 'peel' rubber 
with no problem. It is not really for sale but is someone wants it bad 
enough I'll let it go for a price!!


Darrell W. Sigmon


Sunil Hari wrote:

i'm not gender-biased about suffering fools.  and if it was my mom, i'd
expect her to ask for advice about things she didn't know about.  and if she
went on her own, that's her lesson.

It's like if I didn't know how to swim, i'd stay out of the pool!

It's sad, but several of my life experiences have led me to this sad state
of jaded-ness.  The real exceptions are diesel listers - time and again you
guys have been great.

Notice that I didn't lowball his mom, but some woman at work.

On 10/11/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sunil,

i realize what's considered acceptable business behavior isn't the
same in
all cultures, but try asking yourself this; how would you want people to
treat
*you*? how about your mom/wife/sister?

ignoring that, how proud would you be to take advantage of a woman?
especially one who didn't know better?


cheers!
e


Sunil Hari wrote:


see, when you said she didn't know the value, my eyes lit up.  Not my

fault

if people don't do their homework.  But if she knows what it's "worth"

(esp.

after sitting for years!)  then there's no way in hell.

If both sides have equal information, I'm a totally reasonable guy.  But

if

there's asymmetry of information, I'll use it to my advantage.  Wouldn't
you?  Or would you pay more in the interest of "fairness?"

[snip]


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[MBZ] OT: buyers integrity (was:Re: Low miles 83 CD available)

[ernest breakfield]

Sunil,

obviously, you're missing the point; it's not about gender or whose mom it
was at all, so ignore that. pretend it's your dad, your uncle, your younger
brother, your best friend, or anyone who your interest in outweighs your own
selfish interests.

if i recognize that the junker in your barn is missing a 'C' instead of a
'F' where it says "_ord" on the hood and you don't know any better, how would
you feel after i used my advantage to lowball you? would you like being the
fool? i realize some cultures would say you deserved whatever you let happen to
you, but is that what you *want*?
are you going to have more respect for someone who takes advantage of you,
or someone who is upstanding enough with you to make sure you're dealing fairly?

the point is; while it is obviously a buyer/seller beware market, how would
you want people to treat you? do you have a problem treating people the way you
would like to be treated yourself?


cheers!
e


Sunil Hari wrote:

> i'm not gender-biased about suffering fools.  and if it was my mom, i'd
> expect her to ask for advice about things she didn't know about.  and if she
> went on her own, that's her lesson.
>
> It's like if I didn't know how to swim, i'd stay out of the pool!
>
> It's sad, but several of my life experiences have led me to this sad state
> of jaded-ness.  The real exceptions are diesel listers - time and again you
> guys have been great.
>
> Notice that I didn't lowball his mom, but some woman at work.
>
> On 10/11/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Sunil,
> >
> > i realize what's considered acceptable business behavior isn't the
> > same in
> > all cultures, but try asking yourself this; how would you want people to
> > treat
> > *you*? how about your mom/wife/sister?
> >
> > ignoring that, how proud would you be to take advantage of a woman?
> > especially one who didn't know better?
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> >
> > Sunil Hari wrote:
> >
> > > see, when you said she didn't know the value, my eyes lit up.  Not my
> > fault
> > > if people don't do their homework.  But if she knows what it's "worth"
> > (esp.
> > > after sitting for years!)  then there's no way in hell.
> > >
> > > If both sides have equal information, I'm a totally reasonable guy.  But
> > if
> > > there's asymmetry of information, I'll use it to my advantage.  Wouldn't
> > > you?  Or would you pay more in the interest of "fairness?"
> >
> > [snip]

Re: [MBZ] HELP MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK

[Rich Thomas]

OK I pushed that Caps Lock button, and now I can't get my hat off my 
head.  Somebody hep me!!!


--R

OK Don wrote:

Either "write" in Paint with the mouse, or get Dragon Naturally
Speaking and dictate. Don't type until the keyboard is repaired.

On 10/11/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

If that doesn't work, hold down the shift key while you type.





  

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Chuck Landenberger]

Ernest,

I believe we are talking about the sale of a car!  If it were some  
life threatening situation, all the criteria change!


As a general practice, I don't believe it's the responsibility of the  
"informed" to share information w/the "uninformed".  If the Hope  
Diamond came up advertised a "chunk of glass", would you not jump on  
a low price?


And as for me, if I found a good deal, the sex of the other party is  
irrelevant.I'd use my knowledge/experience to get the deal that  
is best for me!


It's an open market and let the "seller and buyer both beware",  
prepared with their best tools..  Sorry I couldn't do that in  
latin..  All I know is "caveat emptor"...   This does not mean I  
want to "take advantage" of the other person...  When I sold my '80  
300SD, I threw in a whole bunch of stuff w/o charge!


Just an opinion...

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ


On Oct 11, 2006, at 4:00 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:


Sunil,

i realize what's considered acceptable business behavior isn't  
the same in
all cultures, but try asking yourself this; how would you want  
people to treat

*you*? how about your mom/wife/sister?

ignoring that, how proud would you be to take advantage of a  
woman?

especially one who didn't know better?


cheers!
e


Sunil Hari wrote:

see, when you said she didn't know the value, my eyes lit up.  Not  
my fault
if people don't do their homework.  But if she knows what it's  
"worth" (esp.

after sitting for years!)  then there's no way in hell.

If both sides have equal information, I'm a totally reasonable  
guy.  But if
there's asymmetry of information, I'll use it to my advantage.   
Wouldn't

you?  Or would you pay more in the interest of "fairness?"


[snip]


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Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Sunil Hari]

i'm not gender-biased about suffering fools.  and if it was my mom, i'd
expect her to ask for advice about things she didn't know about.  and if she
went on her own, that's her lesson.

It's like if I didn't know how to swim, i'd stay out of the pool!

It's sad, but several of my life experiences have led me to this sad state
of jaded-ness.  The real exceptions are diesel listers - time and again you
guys have been great.

Notice that I didn't lowball his mom, but some woman at work.

On 10/11/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sunil,

i realize what's considered acceptable business behavior isn't the
same in
all cultures, but try asking yourself this; how would you want people to
treat
*you*? how about your mom/wife/sister?

ignoring that, how proud would you be to take advantage of a woman?
especially one who didn't know better?


cheers!
e


Sunil Hari wrote:

> see, when you said she didn't know the value, my eyes lit up.  Not my
fault
> if people don't do their homework.  But if she knows what it's "worth"
(esp.
> after sitting for years!)  then there's no way in hell.
>
> If both sides have equal information, I'm a totally reasonable guy.  But
if
> there's asymmetry of information, I'll use it to my advantage.  Wouldn't
> you?  Or would you pay more in the interest of "fairness?"

[snip]


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Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[ernest breakfield]

Sunil,

i realize what's considered acceptable business behavior isn't the same in
all cultures, but try asking yourself this; how would you want people to treat
*you*? how about your mom/wife/sister?

ignoring that, how proud would you be to take advantage of a woman?
especially one who didn't know better?


cheers!
e


Sunil Hari wrote:

> see, when you said she didn't know the value, my eyes lit up.  Not my fault
> if people don't do their homework.  But if she knows what it's "worth" (esp.
> after sitting for years!)  then there's no way in hell.
>
> If both sides have equal information, I'm a totally reasonable guy.  But if
> there's asymmetry of information, I'll use it to my advantage.  Wouldn't
> you?  Or would you pay more in the interest of "fairness?"

[snip]

Re: [MBZ] HELP MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK

[OK Don]

Either "write" in Paint with the mouse, or get Dragon Naturally
Speaking and dictate. Don't type until the keyboard is repaired.

On 10/11/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If that doesn't work, hold down the shift key while you type.




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exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Sunil Hari]

see, when you said she didn't know the value, my eyes lit up.  Not my fault
if people don't do their homework.  But if she knows what it's "worth" (esp.
after sitting for years!)  then there's no way in hell.

If both sides have equal information, I'm a totally reasonable guy.  But if
there's asymmetry of information, I'll use it to my advantage.  Wouldn't
you?  Or would you pay more in the interest of "fairness?"

On 10/11/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Levi Smith wrote:
> See, I've heard that from other people too.  I don't get it.  If I'm
selling
> something, people can offer whatever they want.  That's what it's worth
to
> them.  If I don't want to accept it that's fine.  I certainly wouldn't
hold
> it against them.
>

I don't hold lowball offers against people unless they waste a bunch of
my time in making them.  If someone comes out, test drives a car, etc.
and then shows they aren't really serious, I start to get a little
annoyed.


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Re: [MBZ] 1983 240D manual transmission

[Loren Faeth]

Assuming the clutch and adjustment are working ok, and the shift linkage is 
in proper adjustment, then pull the trans, clean it up and replace the 
synchro rings as necessary.  it becomes pretty obvious when you pull the 
cover off.  I have only seen 1 bad manual trans in 30+ years of MBs.  That 
one I believe was run dry, and then WAS filled with 90W.  It was not on one 
of my cars, but one i agreed to look at for another guy.  I replaced a 
couple of bearings, some synchro rings and the seals.  While you are in 
there, may as well check the bearings and replace the seals.


Careful disassembly, and cleanliness are the order of the day.  On the 
older ones, there were split roller bearings with brass cages and such.  No 
trouble if you are careful, but lots of rollers can fall out if you are not 
careful.  I can't say about the construction of the newer trans used on the 
123.


At 04:28 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote:
Any body have any input on the fix for a 1983 240 4 speed manual 
transmission grinding into 3rd gear?

Mike
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[MBZ] 1983 240D manual transmission

[MICHAEL ESH]

Any body have any input on the fix for a 1983 240 4 speed manual transmission 
grinding into 3rd gear?
Mike

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[David Brodbeck]

Levi Smith wrote:
> See, I've heard that from other people too.  I don't get it.  If I'm selling
> something, people can offer whatever they want.  That's what it's worth to
> them.  If I don't want to accept it that's fine.  I certainly wouldn't hold
> it against them.
>   

I don't hold lowball offers against people unless they waste a bunch of
my time in making them.  If someone comes out, test drives a car, etc.
and then shows they aren't really serious, I start to get a little annoyed.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Turbodiesel Mini-Mog

[David Brodbeck]

Zeitgeist wrote:
> Looks like loads of fun.  Scroll down to the bottom and see the finished
> product.
>
> "Power output is from 160 to 180hp and 320 to 360ft.lbs of torque."
>
> http://www.hasenwerk.ca/syncrortdi/default.shtml
>   

That's one of the cleanest engine swaps I've ever seen.  That TDI looks
like it belongs in there.  It has that great "what the factory should
have built" quality to it.

Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA

[Gary Hurst]

national association of clock and clock and clock and clock and clock and
clock and watch and clock and clock and clock and clock and clock collectors
is how i remember it

On 10/11/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Just joined MBCA; ( paid for 1 year, so i will see what it is like?) yes
i hope they don't have a bunch of OLD FARTS, COCKY, like in the National
Association of Watch & clock collectors; i am 58 yrs old
Steve from Central Okla.

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Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Mike Canfield]

Not just that it's less than it's worth, it's nearly 5 times less than what 
it is worth and the buyer knows it.  Make a fair offer and no one would be 
insulted but 2K for a nearly 10K car is a bit low to me.  Just my $.02 
though.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available


See, I've heard that from other people too.  I don't get it.  If I'm 
selling

something, people can offer whatever they want.  That's what it's worth to
them.  If I don't want to accept it that's fine.  I certainly wouldn't 
hold

it against them.

I've run into it lately where we're kind of looking for a house.  We found
one we rather liked that was originally listed for some ungodly amount of
money.  When we looked at it it was in the really high end of what we 
might

be able to afford.  So after thinking about it, we could probably offer a
price close to what they were asking if it were perfect for us.  But it's
not.  There's enough little things that would add significantly to the 
cost,

so we could only offer some amount less than half of what they were
originally asking.  But we never officially submitted that because we 
might
offend them.  Nothing personal, that's what we could afford to pay based 
on

what we have and what we would need to do...

I just don't get the "I'm offended because you're offering less than what 
I
think it's worth" thinking...  Seems like if it's that important to you 
you

shouldn't be selling it...  (:

Levi

On 10/11/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Cuz there is money involved.Money makes people do strange 
things..


A $2000 offer for that car is nothing more than an insult.  Frankly, If
someone lowballed me like that on a car I wouldn't sell it to them or
anyone
they call friend for twice the money.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available


> Why don't you be a good friend and tell her that the car is really 
> worth

> close to 5 digits.  Be a man about it.
>
> Luther
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:11 -0500, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>> She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it
>> with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:
>>
>>> Could you pitch an offer of $2000 for me?
>>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Alma, Ark
> '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
> '83 300SD (241 kmi)
> '82 300CD (162 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
>
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Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA

[Zeitgeist]

Bwaaaahaaa, the 37th and 43rd legislative races are a hoot!

On 10/10/06, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Then again, the GOP has a bunch of old farts out here.  Hard to find
somebody without geritol at gatherings.  Nice to see that the GOP is
funding young punks from the local University for their ticket this
fall.  At least the dems will have somebody to run against



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Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[ernest breakfield]

if she hasn't driven it in 4 years, it's not worth 5 figures; things (like
the AC system) go bad when they're not used.


cheers!
e


Redghost wrote:

> I did tell the wife to let her know the car is worth at least 5 figure
> if it is in as good condition she is making out and to get that price
> to look at selling in PDX.  Turns out she has been considering selling
> the car for a few years and I think she toys with the idea once a year,
> can not make up her mind (has not driven the car in four years) and
> lets it go another year.
>
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
>
> > Why don't you be a good friend and tell her that the car is really
> > worth close to 5 digits.  Be a man about it.
> >
> > Luther
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:11 -0500, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it
> >> with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.
> >>
> >> On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:
> >>
> >>> Could you pitch an offer of $2000 for me?
> >>>
> >
> >
> --
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> Seattle Bioburner
>
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA

[Redghost]

Bunch of old farts around here that are involved in the club 
activities.  There are a bunch of new members every month, but I think 
they are old farts too.  It would be interesting to have a few more 
youngsters with kids show up and make it look like there is a future 
for the club with the younger set.


Then again, the GOP has a bunch of old farts out here.  Hard to find 
somebody without geritol at gatherings.  Nice to see that the GOP is 
funding young punks from the local University for their ticket this 
fall.  At least the dems will have somebody to run against


On Oct 10, 2006, at 10:44 PM, Stephen D Murrell wrote:

Just joined MBCA; ( paid for 1 year, so i will see what it is like?) 
yes
i hope they don't have a bunch of OLD FARTS, COCKY, like in the 
National

Association of Watch & clock collectors; i am 58 yrs old
Steve from Central Okla.

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Redghost]

I did tell the wife to let her know the car is worth at least 5 figure 
if it is in as good condition she is making out and to get that price 
to look at selling in PDX.  Turns out she has been considering selling 
the car for a few years and I think she toys with the idea once a year, 
can not make up her mind (has not driven the car in four years) and 
lets it go another year.


On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:

Why don't you be a good friend and tell her that the car is really 
worth close to 5 digits.  Be a man about it.


Luther

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:11 -0500, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it
with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.

On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:


Could you pitch an offer of $2000 for me?





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Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] a nice coupe fixer upper, doenst need much work

[R A Bennell]

That is almost enough to make me cry. My 300D is a 1976 and it sure doesn't 
look like that. Too bad no one took
care of the poor thing.

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] a nice coupe fixer upper, doenst need much work


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/76-Mercedes-280-C-2-door-H-T-sunroof_W0QQitemZ230037681888QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6783QQr
dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: [MBZ] HELP MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK

[Levi Smith]

If that doesn't work, hold down the shift key while you type.

Levi

On 10/11/06, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Press the Caps Lock key at the left end of the keyboard. :)

Tom

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I CAN ONLY SEND MESSAGES IN ALL CAPS.  PLEASE HELP.

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[MBZ] OT: Turbodiesel Mini-Mog

[Zeitgeist]

Looks like loads of fun.  Scroll down to the bottom and see the finished
product.

"Power output is from 160 to 180hp and 320 to 360ft.lbs of torque."

http://www.hasenwerk.ca/syncrortdi/default.shtml
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'87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] HELP MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK

[Dave Wakin]

reboot.

Dave Wakin




I CAN ONLY SEND MESSAGES IN ALL CAPS.  PLEASE HELP.

Re: [MBZ] HELP MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK

[Potter, Tom E]

Press the Caps Lock key at the left end of the keyboard. :)

Tom

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[Rich Thomas]

I CAN ONLY SEND MESSAGES IN ALL CAPS.  PLEASE HELP.

--R

Re: [MBZ] 201 status

[Jim Cathey]

(Our e-mail feed is down courtesy of our ISP, I have no idea if
this is going to get through.  Consider it a test!)

October 9, 2006

Finished up the modified defogger relay (the Road Trip Relay) that runs
the cooler plug.  This should correct all the faults of the original
installation.

...No, not quite done yet.  The timer works well, _except_ that
when engaged it clicks on for a half second, off for another half
second, then comes on for the remainder of the time.  Apparently the
charging time of the timing capacitor is significant, and the new
circuit (which essentially lost D2) didn't charge the capacitor until
it was engaged, unlike the original circuit, which kept it charged in
readiness.  I think I can add another diode to allow restoration of D2
which should cure the double-start problem.

This time for sure!  Modification (in addition to the large capacitor
[C3] that was added earlier) consisted of adding Q3, another
general-purpose PNP transistor (I used 2N3906), R8, 3900 ohms, and D6.
The modifications also required rewiring D1 by cutting two traces and
adding a jumper.  The schematic of the modified relay, for future
reference, is available in several formats:

Illustrator:http://cathey.dogear.com/mb190d/defogger.ai
PostScript: http://cathey.dogear.com/mb190d/mdefogger.eps
PDF:http://cathey.dogear.com/mb190d/mdefogger.pdf
GIF:http://cathey.dogear.com/mb190d/mdefogger.gif

The original circuit remains essentially the same, except that the
relay coil is powered during the timing cycle via the new Q3 instead
of through D1 from the output.  (This eliminates triggering the relay
when the always-on switch [for the solar charger] is engaged.)  D1
remains in order to jump-start the relay.  D6 is added so that it
keeps the timing capacitor charged while the Start input is energized,
eliminating the retriggering problem.

If it were not for the Solar Charger switch, the relay modifications
would consist _only_ of the addition of C8 and D6.  (In which case an
external diode is needed to keep from back-powering the ignition while
the relay is timing out.  With the full set of modifications the
external diode is no longer necessary.  As it's already in the car,
however, I'm going to just leave it there, it doesn't hurt anything.)

...Coming home at night showed that I have again lost the rear window
defogger, plus the high beam indicator light, and the windshield
washer fluid level light.  The SRS light also came on a few times.
Sigh.  I _did_ get a box of stuff from Rusty for the car, especially
my new glow plug, so that was nice.  I wonder when I'll get a chance
to put it in?

October 10, 2006

Checked into the rear window defogger, and it appears that the lamp in
the switch has gone out, and that otherwise it is working properly.
As this lamp is an LED this is extremely rare failure, it may be
possible that the ground for that switch (used only for the lamp) is
bad.  The high-beam lamp in the cluster also appears to be bad, as is
the washer fluid lamp.  I think I need to schedule an instrument
cluster removal soon.

I installed the finished Road Trip Relay, which passed all its tests.

...I had a little time after work, so I pulled the instrument cluster
and the defogger switch.  (What a pain.)  The defogger switch has a
light bulb inside, not an LED!  First time I've ever seen that on a
car this new.  Of course the bulb was burned out, as was the one for
the windshield washer fluid level.  I'll replace them, probably with
good used.  (It's not like either one gets that much on-time.)  The
high-beam indicator lamp, however, is OK.  Something else is wrong
there it seems.

I then replaced the two burned-out bulbs.  My parts box is full of
mostly burned-out bulbs as it turns out.  (I just grab them at the
U-Pull when I see them.)  But eventually I found two that worked.  The
high-beam indicator was a little more involved.  I disassembled the
cluster only to find that the PCB trace to the lamp had been worn
through by some of the plastic of the cluster, probably due to age and
vibration, perhaps in conjunction with a too-tight mounting screw.  I
soldered a wire across the break.  Then the bulb worked again, and I
reassembled the cluster.  While I was there I numbered the big cluster
connector's pins on the back (which are labeled on the trace side)
with a Sharpie.  I can install it again tomorrow, it's dark outside!

October 11, 2006

Installed the instrument cluster.  A guy without a left hand probably
couldn't do this, because only my left hand can reach up behind the
dash (once the heating duct pipe is disconnected and its boot removed
from the area) to reach the retaining collar of the speedometer cable.
This is a real PITA job, one of the worst design features of the car.
Would have been an excellent car to use an electronic speedometer on.

-- Jim

[MBZ] trim your posts!!

[Glenn M. Brown]

Kaleb,
I was wondering when you/someone were going to bring this up . . . annoying.
G. M. Brown
Rochester, NY

Re: [MBZ] CENTER VACUUM ELEMENT REPLACING

[andrew strasfogel]

Any pictures of this operation that you could share would be GREATLY
appreciated!

Andrew
1983 300TD with a broken center vent.


On 10/11/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi; i remove the glove box; center vents & maybe the Inst. cluster; my
hand is small enough to go thru vent holes; the vent holes let your drop
light in to see what you are doing; if hooking up bracket to open center
flap; i put small bolt & lock  nut leaving slightly loose for play &
mvmt. or you can buy the plastic, i think connector from M.B.; also put a
magnet inside in case you drop the bolt or nut, or THE tools!; one of my
cars still has allen wrench somewhere in there; if the vac element is ok,
able to check with glove box out using extra length of v. hose, you are
lucky & just need the flap connector (ea. of my M.Bs had to have the
center connector fixed, only one had a bad V. element also) that is lost
or broken (original plastic M.B. part); my element on one car was
,diaphram broke so i just pried off the "fuses",that's what they are
called??? CLIPS that hold it on, & some broke, if being careful you could
get the clips off without breaking & buy new diaphram cheaper, maybe &
rebuild, i used some clips from hdware store to put back on new element
since old ones either broke or fell down?!?; then put vents back in , a
bit of a job; but i think the hardest part is putting the rubber part
back on the lower flap area first then putting back around the 2 vents,
it is the pits!!!; actually now i think might be easier by pulling the
dash off?!?HA! HA!
Hope this helps some; Steve from Tecumseh, Ok

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Re: [MBZ] a nice coupe fixer upper, doenst need much work

[andrew strasfogel]

As Kaleb would say,

HAHAHAHAHA!


On 10/10/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/76-Mercedes-280-C-2-door-H-T-sunroof_W0QQitemZ230037681888QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Keeping it simple with antenna

[andrew strasfogel]

If anyone has a good working USED automatic Hirschmann antenna for a 1983
300TD (wagon) I would be interested.  I need the capability for three
settings on the mast (can only do fully up and fully retracted with the
aftermarket antenna).  If anyone wants a decent aftermarket Hirschmann for
their W123 300TD, email me privately.

On 10/10/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm with Jim. I have the normal manual antenna and keep thinking I should
swap it to a power antenna just to make
it less of a target for vandals. I would have to find some sort of
aftermarket unit that would work as I don't
intend to spend a fortune on it.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping it simple with antenna


> Has anyone decided to replace their electric antenna with a fixed one?

No, but I've gone the other way.  On the Frankenheap.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Vickers VT21 Steering pump WAS: vt27

[72benz250]

Hi all,

I did not see any response on this. I also noticed I wrote VT27 as oposed to 
VT21.

Anybody worked on these before? will a generic puller from the autoparts store 
work?

Thanks for any help.

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> 
> Looks like I resolved my Zenith 32/40 carb problems, I think. Well I fired 
> her 
> up on Sunday, and moved her, part of the problem with the carbs, and when I 
> shut 
> her down There was a spray from the steering pump reservoir top. 
> 
> When I opened it, the fluid was pink from all the air bubbles. Then I found 
> the 
> puddle under the pump :( 
> 
> Ok, so I found the seal kit and the manuals on the CD. On job 47-720 it has a 
> few specialized tools. I only see the sealing ring puller being used. 
> 
> First question is can I rent a generic tool set from my local parts shop to 
> do 
> this job? how difficult is it to replace the seals? 
> 
> Any tips or tricks before I dive into this project? 
> 
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See, I've heard that from other people too.  I don't get it.  If I'm selling
something, people can offer whatever they want.  That's what it's worth to
them.  If I don't want to accept it that's fine.  I certainly wouldn't hold
it against them.

I've run into it lately where we're kind of looking for a house.  We found
one we rather liked that was originally listed for some ungodly amount of
money.  When we looked at it it was in the really high end of what we might
be able to afford.  So after thinking about it, we could probably offer a
price close to what they were asking if it were perfect for us.  But it's
not.  There's enough little things that would add significantly to the cost,
so we could only offer some amount less than half of what they were
originally asking.  But we never officially submitted that because we might
offend them.  Nothing personal, that's what we could afford to pay based on
what we have and what we would need to do...

I just don't get the "I'm offended because you're offering less than what I
think it's worth" thinking...  Seems like if it's that important to you you
shouldn't be selling it...  (:

Levi

On 10/11/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Cuz there is money involved.Money makes people do strange things..
>
> A $2000 offer for that car is nothing more than an insult.  Frankly, If
> someone lowballed me like that on a car I wouldn't sell it to them or
> anyone
> they call friend for twice the money.
>
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
>
>
> > Why don't you be a good friend and tell her that the car is really worth
> > close to 5 digits.  Be a man about it.
> >
> > Luther
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Mike Canfield]

Cuz there is money involved.Money makes people do strange things..

A $2000 offer for that car is nothing more than an insult.  Frankly, If 
someone lowballed me like that on a car I wouldn't sell it to them or anyone 
they call friend for twice the money.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available


Why don't you be a good friend and tell her that the car is really worth 
close to 5 digits.  Be a man about it.


Luther

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:11 -0500, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it
with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.

On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:


Could you pitch an offer of $2000 for me?





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Alma, Ark
'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work

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[MBZ] JOINED MBCA

[Stephen D Murrell]

Just joined MBCA; ( paid for 1 year, so i will see what it is like?) yes
i hope they don't have a bunch of OLD FARTS, COCKY, like in the National
Association of Watch & clock collectors; i am 58 yrs old
Steve from Central Okla.

[MBZ] CENTER VACUUM ELEMENT REPLACING

[Stephen D Murrell]

Hi; i remove the glove box; center vents & maybe the Inst. cluster; my
hand is small enough to go thru vent holes; the vent holes let your drop
light in to see what you are doing; if hooking up bracket to open center
flap; i put small bolt & lock  nut leaving slightly loose for play &
mvmt. or you can buy the plastic, i think connector from M.B.; also put a
magnet inside in case you drop the bolt or nut, or THE tools!; one of my
cars still has allen wrench somewhere in there; if the vac element is ok,
able to check with glove box out using extra length of v. hose, you are
lucky & just need the flap connector (ea. of my M.Bs had to have the
center connector fixed, only one had a bad V. element also) that is lost
or broken (original plastic M.B. part); my element on one car was
,diaphram broke so i just pried off the "fuses",that's what they are
called??? CLIPS that hold it on, & some broke, if being careful you could
get the clips off without breaking & buy new diaphram cheaper, maybe &
rebuild, i used some clips from hdware store to put back on new element
since old ones either broke or fell down?!?; then put vents back in , a
bit of a job; but i think the hardest part is putting the rubber part
back on the lower flap area first then putting back around the 2 vents,
it is the pits!!!; actually now i think might be easier by pulling the
dash off?!?HA! HA!
Hope this helps some; Steve from Tecumseh, Ok

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Luther Gulseth]

wow

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:24:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> trim your posts!!
>
> Redghost wrote:
>
>> She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it
>> with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.
>>
>
>



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Alma, Ark
'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Luther Gulseth]

Why don't you be a good friend and tell her that the car is really worth close 
to 5 digits.  Be a man about it.

Luther

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:11 -0500, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it
> with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.
>
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:
>
>> Could you pitch an offer of $2000 for me?
>>



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

trim your posts!!

Redghost wrote:

She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it 
with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.





--
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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL,
 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA

[Redghost]

Welcome to Washington State where that is the way to  get your gal 
elected.


On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:16 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

If Chuck somehow "loses" the MBCA DAL election, I will demand however 
many

recounts it takes to declare him a winner.



On 10/10/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Dave,

Just to be clear...  I said to Gary:  "We both like what we like and
still keep liking Benzes, old and new."  I've owned both!Most of
all, I enjoy having many Benz owners as friends...  The cars are what
has engendered those friendships..

I didn't say "that we all like old and new Benzes".

To each his own...

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
Don't know whether my cars are classified "new" or "old" and don't
care.  I know I like them both...
1992 500E
1986 190E 2.3 16V


On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:50 PM, dave walton wrote:

Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like 
old

and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant
number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that 
the

"New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And
that is NOT a compliment.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hey Gary,

Have a good tomorrow..  We all make decisions and I wasn't
trying to change your mind...

Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done
good..!!!

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1992 500E
1986 190E 2.3 16V...

PS.   Yup, it is insane..  We both like what we like and
still keep liking Benzes, old and new!

On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing.  and my tomorrow thing
doesn't
involve MBCA.

this is pretty insane.  it's like i have to justify why i don't eat
mashed
potatoes.  I don't like mashed potatoes.  i don't like mbca.  i
don't mess
with either.

i like old mercedes cars.  i like the internet.  i like old
cameras. i like
old watches.   i like my crappy imac.  i like poker.  i like the
six string
bass guitar, even though i suck at it.  i like futbol.  i like diet
mountain
dew.  i mess with all these things.  i wish i had more time to mess
with
them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the
things i
like.  why then would i want to mess with things i don't
particularly like?

i'm just a simple guy like this


On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Gary,

I can't deal with yesterday.  All my attention is on
TOMORROW!

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ

On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


i never took them seriously.  Like most bullies, they are all
huff and
bluff.

it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in
this sort
of behavior.  what kind of organization even tolerates such 
people

let alone
assigns them positions of responsiblity?  why would i want
anything
to do
with such an organization?

i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes 
no

sense to
me to mess with this organization.


On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did
not do I
would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just 
wrong.


Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA



Gary,

If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally 
EIGHT

years ago, would you still not talk to him today...

MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times
"they
are achangin'".

The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you 
might

even
find a few customers

Just an opinion.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my
version of it
anyway.

once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA
members.  It
was a
fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend
George
Murphy,
who then shut down the list.

This really rubbed me the wrong way.  The list belongs to the
members, not
to George.  It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in
irresponsiblity, in
ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that
list.
So i
suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate"
George
as I felt
someone like this had no business in a position of any club
responsibility.

I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an
official
capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is
being
treated
as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to
investigate.  so
i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a
couple of
hundred
bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's
feelings by.
What kind
of people are these MBCA representatives?

 It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in,
which

Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Redghost]

She got scared away by all the attention and now needs to discuss it 
with her husband.  I think we will have answers in a week or so.


On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:


Could you pitch an offer of $2000 for me?

On 10/10/06, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If she gets wind of prices in PDX, I think she may just take it to
Oregon and make a mint.  Hope she sells it for reasonable to one of 
you


On Oct 9, 2006, at 9:42 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:


I was going to offer $2k for it, and hope she bit.  The extra money
would go
to shipping it to me.

On 10/9/06, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


She is not aware of the value of the model.  It depends on her 
vision

of return on investment and what she is offered before it hits the
market.  I would be surprised if she sells for under $3k


On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:


how much does she want?

On 10/9/06, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A woman who works with my wife has a really nice 83 CD she has 
kept
stored for a number of years.  We had expressed interest in the 
car

when my wife understood it to be a SD, and wanted to purchase.
Since
I
learn it is not SD, I do not need it.

It is a white with leather, all the options and supposed to be 
kept

in
showroom condition.   This is the womans ulti-penultimate new car.
Her
last one was a 05 Corvette.  The car has only 75k miles and seller
does
not know true value of the car.  I figure somebody here would 
like a

crack at it first.

Let me know and I can pass along your info

no affiliation other than stated above.


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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] OT: U.S. switch to new low-sulfur diesel going well: EIA

[OK Don]

FYI --

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2006-10-10T192113Z_01_WBT006070_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENERGY-USA-DIESEL.xml&src=rss
or http://tinyurl.com/lxqpn

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The switch-over to new ultra-clean diesel fuel
is going smoothly and supplies should be readily available at retail
pumps when the rules take effect on Sunday, U.S. officials said on
Tuesday."

--
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Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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  On-highway diesel prices, by week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp   


  US

 NATL  EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST

 DATEAVG   COAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA  

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADD

 I IA  IB  IC  II III  IV V

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061009  2.506  2.533  2.649   2.654   2.471   2.448   2.446  2.584  2.697
2.751
061002  2.546  2.567  2.678   2.694   2.503   2.467   2.490  2.679  2.789
2.835
060925  2.595  2.600  2.730   2.746   2.526   2.506   2.526  2.827  2.892
2.910
060918  2.713  2.699  2.832   2.844   2.625   2.624   2.636  3.052  3.014
3.002
060911  2.857  2.826  2.955   2.958   2.757   2.787   2.770  3.236  3.137
3.125
060904  2.967  2.911  3.009   3.032   2.850   2.937   2.872  3.318  3.199
3.175
060828  3.027  2.955  3.035   3.074   2.897   3.026   2.923  3.346  3.229
3.200
060821  3.033  2.953  3.049   3.078   2.890   3.041   2.923  3.349  3.237
3.221
060814  3.065  3.017  3.077   3.130   2.964   3.065   2.974  3.311  3.218
3.220
060807  3.055  3.026  3.061   3.104   2.989   3.070   2.988  3.208  3.113
3.130
060731  2.980  2.958  2.991   3.030   2.924   2.988   2.925  3.052  3.066
3.093
060724  2.946  2.925  2.972   3.002   2.888   2.951   2.895  2.987  3.047
3.097
060717  2.926  2.906  2.970   2.992   2.864   2.927   2.868  2.960  3.051
3.097
060710  2.918  2.887  2.947   2.963   2.849   2.919   2.866  2.966  3.060
3.113
060703  2.898  2.874  2.948   2.951   2.834   2.887   2.845  2.958  3.056
3.119
060626  2.867  2.864  2.952   2.956   2.816   2.819   2.822  2.960  3.068
3.140
060619  2.915  2.907  2.960   2.990   2.867   2.873   2.859  3.018  3.117
3.185
060612  2.918  2.909  2.979   2.997   2.866   2.874   2.848  3.041  3.149
3.217
060605  2.890  2.881  2.969   2.992   2.825   2.837   2.805  3.043  3.159
3.227
060529  2.882  2.873  2.966   2.987   2.815   2.824   2.798  3.044  3.161
3.227
060522  2.888  2.877  2.982   2.987   2.820   2.836   2.801  3.024  3.175
3.234
060515  2.920  2.907  3.003   3.014   2.853   2.870   2.829  3.074  3.192
3.242
060508  2.897  2.884  2.972   2.983   2.834   2.841   2.814  3.054  3.180
3.244
060501  2.896  2.892  2.979   2.987   2.843   2.853   2.832  3.012  3.098
3.163
060424  2.876  2.888  2.961   2.978   2.843   2.847   2.817  2.903  3.026
3.103
060417  2.765  2.788  2.865   2.876   2.743   2.735   2.725  2.756  2.881
2.933
060410  2.654  2.676  2.769   2.767   2.629   2.614   2.601  2.680  2.812
2.881
060403  2.617  2.639  2.731   2.727   2.593   2.578   2.579  2.629  2.753
2.812
060327  2.565  2.586  2.700   2.681   2.536   2.523   2.528  2.601  2.698
2.727
060320  2.581  2.606  2.702   2.697   2.558   2.533   2.552  2.608  2.716
2.738
060313  2.543  2.567  2.687   2.681   2.507   2.491   2.497  2.566  2.725
2.747
060306  2.545  2.571  2.656   2.682   2.516   2.500   2.499  2.545  2.711
2.739
060227  2.471  2.493  2.593   2.593   2.441   2.417   2.443  2.509  2.623
2.688
060220  2.455  2.487  2.593   2.580   2.437   2.398   2.427  2.497  2.594
2.674
060213  2.476  2.509  2.617   2.591   2.464   2.419   2.447  2.500  2.621
2.709
060206  2.499  2.536  2.659   2.618   2.490   2.445   2.463  2.503  2.645
2.739
060130  2.489  2.530  2.661   2.618   2.481   2.431   2.455  2.474  2.640
2.733
060123  2.472  2.516  2.668   2.610   2.462   2.423   2.432  2.435  2.608
2.674
060116  2.449  2.489  2.663   2.605   2.424   2.408   2.415  2.411  2.565
2.603
060109  2.485  2.528  2.676   2.626   2.473   2.451   2.453  2.421  2.577
2.601
060102  2.442  2.481  2.645   2.590   2.420   2.412   2.414  2.392  2.519
2.538
051226  2.448  2.481  2.643   2.599   2.416   2.420   2.421  2.410  2.523
2.543
051219  2.462  2.499

[MBZ] a nice coupe fixer upper, doenst need much work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/76-Mercedes-280-C-2-door-H-T-sunroof_W0QQitemZ230037681888QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available

[Ralph W]

I might be willing to trade in my daily driver CD for a lower milage 
straight rust free version. CD's are easily the most desireable of the 123 
breed. More details please. Of course Sunil has first dibs but I'm sure this 
car is worth more than a measely 2K. Heck it's got at least another 250K 
left on the clock.


Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon