Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Lee Einer]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> What would bethe purpose of an innocent person using the 5th? If they
> perhaps, by giving information, incrimiate themsleves in a different unknown
> crime?
> 
>

Again, time for history, recent and not so recent. The fifth amendment
protects you, at least in theory, from your confession being admissible
if the police obtain it by beating the living shit out of you until you
sign. This protection is not a wacky US invention, it is also found in
British common law. It is a protection every bit as vital to a free
society as habeus corpus.

You are surely more civilized in Canada, but in the US we have a long
and rich history of police-coerced confessions using beatings, rubber
hoses, sleep deprivation, even electric shock. This is what "compelling
you to be a witness against yourself" can look like in practice. It
doesn't just pertain to the witness stand.

As to the purpose of an innocent person using the fifth while on the
stand? There are a variety of reasons why. in the McCarthy hearings of
the 1950s, people were questioned about their political beliefs, which
were not a crime and were nobody's business but their own. They took the
fifth in many cases, and rightly so. Besides it being no business of
McCarthy and his cronies, the information was used to persecute and
harrass.  What they were accused of was no crime, but a forthright
answer would have been used to destroy their reputations and their
livelihoods.

And of course, just maybe, while that liquor store was being robbed you
were home f**king the daylights out of your best friend's wife. That's
not a crime, and is in fact exculpatory, but you would probably want to
keep it to yourself.

Lee

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Lee Einer]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> I uderstand the fifth but still don't see why you have it, that's true.
> Seems like an easy out to delay the inevitable to me.
> 
> My original question concerned how this telemetry is an invasion of privacy.
> 

> 
The original post spoke of how the data on the box would be available
not only in a legal proceeding but also routinely to auto manufacturers
and auto insurance companies.

That, particularly if it is accompanied by any identifying data as to
the driver, is intrusive. How and where I drive, so long as I obey
traffic laws, is nobody's business but my own.

Ironic also that this will be benefiting auto manufacturers and
insurance companies, but they are not footing the bill for this black
box- the individual buying the car is paying for it, whether he/she
wants it or not. Shouldn't the auto companies and insurers be the ones
paying for the *(^#%$ thing if they are the ones realizing the benefit?

The only way that this would not be an invasion of privacy is if the
data is surrendered with the consent of the owner, or if the box is
obtained through legitimate legal means such as a search warrant.

Lee

Re: [MBZ] snowmobile - was autodimming mirrors

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:
> 
> > Of course if its really bad here I'll just take a snowmobile. My '71
> > Arctic Cat 303 rotary powered snowmobile will go lots of places a
> > jacked up 4x4 won't...
> 
> Rotary, as in like a Wankle cycle engine?

I didn't remember an Artic Cat wankel, but I know Evinrude made one,
and there was probably a Johnson equivalent. 

If you want a rotary bike that didn't get Guigario'd to death
(I hate the instrument cluster and tailight housing on the RE5, thanks
to Guigario - ItalDesign) Hercules made an air cooled wankel bike.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo diesel

[Peter Frederick]

They work just fine when they work but they don't last like the Bosch 
in-line pumps.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Jeff Zedic]

What would bethe purpose of an innocent person using the 5th? If they
perhaps, by giving information, incrimiate themsleves in a different unknown
crime?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Jeff Zedic]

I uderstand the fifth but still don't see why you have it, that's true.
Seems like an easy out to delay the inevitable to me.

My original question concerned how this telemetry is an invasion of privacy.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Lee Einer]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Lee,
> 
> You seem to miss my point. I'm saying, ifyou did it, own up to it. I'm not
> into all this legal hocus pocus(see O.J.)
> 
Sorry, I missed that. Sounded to me like you misunderstood the Fifth
Amendment and why it was written.

Lee

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Jeff Zedic]

Lee,

You seem to miss my point. I'm saying, ifyou did it, own up to it. I'm not
into all this legal hocus pocus(see O.J.)

It's a question of personal responsibilty.


Jeff Zedic
(I almost always fess up)

p.s. (I'm lying about that)

Re: [MBZ] Stop Snowing!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its 19 here right now, that was the high for today

John M McIntosh wrote:


Well given the snow in the pacific NW I can say

(a) the 83 diesel is mmm a pig with michelin hydro-edge tires: no  
traction and slides.
(b) the 90's diesel with michelin mxv4, with assisting ASD and ABS:  
traction and much better stopping.



both started fine at 23F




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Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Lee Einer]

You have a right to not incriminate yourself precisely because if you
had no such right you would be compelled to incriminate yourself.

Go here-

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/not_guilty/coerced_confessions/5.html

to see what form that may take in practice.

And no, "taking the fifth" is not a tacit admission of guilt, it is a
declination to answer a question when on trial for a criminal offense.
Isn't it quite obvious that one may choose not to answer a question
without being guilty of the crime of which one is accused?

I think many people have a misunderstanding of this aspect of the Fifth
Amendment fostered by a popular misquote-

On the telly, you always here the (guilty) guy say on the stand "I
refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me." Although
IANAL, I believe that language is unnecessary and  prejudicial. The
Fifth amendment states in pertinent part that no person "shall be
compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself" - that
just stays that you cannot be compelled to give testimony when you are
the defendant in a criminal trial.

Lee

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Hmmm, I still don't understand the 5th..why would an innocent person use
> it?
>  So basically, using the 5th is a tacit admission of guilt, no?
> 
> If I caused  serious accident, I'd admit faultwhere's the problem?
> 
> 
> Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Stop Snowing!

[John M McIntosh]

Well given the snow in the pacific NW I can say

(a) the 83 diesel is mmm a pig with michelin hydro-edge tires: no  
traction and slides.
(b) the 90's diesel with michelin mxv4, with assisting ASD and ABS:  
traction and much better stopping.



both started fine at 23F


On 30-Nov-06, at 1:50 PM, Donald Snook wrote:



I can't wait to get my snow tires tomorrow.



Donald H. Snook




John
1983 300TDt  371k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  181k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] A380 Crosswind certification

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:
> Talk about crabbing until the last second!
>   

It looks like they might be using the same sort of procedure as 747s,
which are allowed to touch down while still in a crab.  The landing gear
is built to withstand the side loads from this kind of touchdown.  Large
four-engine jets can't use the sideslip technique to correct wind drift
that those of us who have flown small aircraft are familiar with,
because the outboard engine on the low wing would strike the ground.

Re: [MBZ] Stop Snowing!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

We didnt even open our office today, that was nice.

Donald Snook wrote:


Here in Wichita, KS we have 6-7 inches on the ground and are expecting
up to 12 inches. I think it is letting up, so we may stay at 7 inches.
After all this discussion about snow tires I finally decided to call my
local tire place and see if I get some tires. This was yesterday. Had I
called them before 5 my snow tires would be here.  However, I forgot.
So, we have  6 inches of snow on the ground and My snow tires won't
arrive until tomorrow.  My wife works at a local university and they
closed early. So, she thought she would come to my office and we could
trade cars.  She was really nervous about driving my car, so I followed
her home.  Well HOLY CRAP, this car sucks on the snow.  I know it is
mostly because of the Bridgestone high performance summer tires, but I
was all over the place.  It sure was nice driving back to Work in her
4X4 Explorer. 

 

I can't wait to get my snow tires tomorrow.  

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K  (nestled in the warm garage) 

1997 Ford Explorer (plowing the roads in 4WD). 


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Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Jeff Zedic]

Hmmm, I still don't understand the 5th..why would an innocent person use
it?
So basically, using the 5th is a tacit admission of guilt, no?

If I caused  serious accident, I'd admit faultwhere's the problem?


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Tyler Backman]

Randy,

Legally, would data logged by an onboard computer in a car be  
considered from a 3rd party witness, or from the defendant?


Tyler

On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:22 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

While I would agree with you that it is an invasion of privacy and  
should not be used without your permission -
sort of like having the right to remain silent -I would also say  
that you might one day use the information to
defend against allegations that you did wrong - an eyewitness so to  
speak.


Randy (yes - I'm a lawyer)

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[R A Bennell]

While I would agree with you that it is an invasion of privacy and should not 
be used without your permission -
sort of like having the right to remain silent -I would also say that you might 
one day use the information to
defend against allegations that you did wrong - an eyewitness so to speak.

Randy (yes - I'm a lawyer)

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS W140 Vs W126


When I mentioned I was curious about the advantages of the W140 & W126 I
hadn't seen the below yet.   Makes me thankful I have the Low-Tech 91 300D
and 78 240D!  I have since found out the below isn't necessarily news to
everyone  ---

I find all this kinda scarey.

The NHTSA ruled on 8/21 that carmakers must inform customers when their cars
are equipped with black boxes.  About 2/3rds of current year models have
them which record data such as throttle position, speed, steering wheel
angle, brake usage, seatbelt use, air bag deployment and other info for law
enforcement to learn about accidents and car makers to learn about safety
feature effectiveness.  Insurance companies will also have access to the
data.  "The car went out of control" won't work anymore...

The above appeared in PCA, "Panorama" of  Nov 06 issue.  Sounds like a
extreme invasion
of privacy - as usual in the name of "safety".  At least they didn't say
it's "for the children".   It's a guarantee this info will end up in court
someday.  IMHO.

Makes me glad my newest car is 15 years old.  ;-)  Whether I do something
wrong or not I don't want my every action recorded and analyzed.

Of course, what *I* want doesn't matter.



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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 Vs W126


>I have to say the W126 in my opinion is the best Mercedes sedan ever!
>
> If it is a W126 with crate 3.5L engine and you don't want it, let us know.
>
> Trampas
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:05 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 Vs W126
>
>> If a W140 Diesel (with factory reblt engine) and a very nice late W126
>> Diesel with exc engine and all other things being in comparable
>> condition,
>> which car is preferable?
>
> For ease and economy of long-term maintenance?  The W126 hands-down.
> The W140's are supposed to be a pretty nice ride.  The SDL will have
> a bigger back seat area.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Tyler Backman]

It is the same as the idea behind the 5th amendment of the US  
constitution. People have the right to admit guilt, but they should  
not be forced or required to incriminate themselves if they choose  
not to. Using data logged by the owners car to incriminate them  
against their wishes violates what many people feel should be a  
fundamental human right to choose not to bear witness against  
yourself. I suppose the actual act of logging the data is not a  
problem, as long as it can not be disclosed to any 3rd party without  
the car owners permission, even if by court order. I actually think  
that the data logging could help prevent police from wrongly accusing  
drivers of traffic violations, as the exact speed, time, and location  
of the vehicle would be logged.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/ 
constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentv


Tyler Backman

On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Jeff Zedic wrote:


Larry,

Please explain to me how a driver's incompetence causing an accident
involving personal injury, and a vehicle's ability to provide the  
telemetry

to PROVE that incompetence is a "invasion of privacy"?


Is there no such thing as personal responsibility anymore? Does  
nobody ever

plead guilty and admit fault?

If this can make people see their faults and improve their driving  
why not?
The US REALLY needs to rein in ts litigousness and get back to  
reality.


I'm writing this because I'd like to hear opinions on this. It is  
such an

incredibly foreign concept for me.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[kevin kraly]

Well, if we're gonna speed and do crazy stuff, I guess we'll be  in the W126 
300SD rather than the 06 Dodge pickup with the electronically controlled 
Cummins Turbo diesel.  Speaking of the above mentioned 300SD, the seat will 
be going in soon now that I "think" I've got the connector wired up the 
proper way.  .  Dad was going to cut the wires and splice the already wired 
connector in rather than installing the existing wiring and pins into 
another good connector shell.  Hopefully, the wires aren't crossed up too 
badly, and Jim C's "draping wires" theory will work.  IF the wires have been 
tampered with and are not draping the right way, I'm close enough where I 
can figure it out by switching a few of the wires around.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula, waiting for her passenger's seat 

Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[Jeff Zedic]

Larry,

Please explain to me how a driver's incompetence causing an accident
involving personal injury, and a vehicle's ability to provide the telemetry
to PROVE that incompetence is a "invasion of privacy"?


Is there no such thing as personal responsibility anymore? Does nobody ever
plead guilty and admit fault?

If this can make people see their faults and improve their driving why not?
The US REALLY needs to rein in ts litigousness and get back to reality.

I'm writing this because I'd like to hear opinions on this. It is such an
incredibly foreign concept for me.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Jeff Zedic]

Keep in mind that we're lucky here in Toronto. They get MUCH worse snow to
the south of us in uptate NYMUCH WORSE! They get lake effect snowfall
and we get the warmth from the lakes instead!! hahaha...suckers!

I see a few cars with snows on, but mostly people wait until the first
snowfallit's still 6 above hre so no worries for a while. It was 14
yesterday. (Sorry, Celsius!)

We won't see snow for a while yet!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

[MBZ] Stop Snowing!

[Donald Snook]

Here in Wichita, KS we have 6-7 inches on the ground and are expecting
up to 12 inches. I think it is letting up, so we may stay at 7 inches.
After all this discussion about snow tires I finally decided to call my
local tire place and see if I get some tires. This was yesterday. Had I
called them before 5 my snow tires would be here.  However, I forgot.
So, we have  6 inches of snow on the ground and My snow tires won't
arrive until tomorrow.  My wife works at a local university and they
closed early. So, she thought she would come to my office and we could
trade cars.  She was really nervous about driving my car, so I followed
her home.  Well HOLY CRAP, this car sucks on the snow.  I know it is
mostly because of the Bridgestone high performance summer tires, but I
was all over the place.  It sure was nice driving back to Work in her
4X4 Explorer. 

 

I can't wait to get my snow tires tomorrow.  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K  (nestled in the warm garage) 

1997 Ford Explorer (plowing the roads in 4WD). 

[MBZ] Monovalve insert

[Glenn M. Brown]

Does anyone out there in listland have a picture or diagram of the internal 
order of things of a monovalve in an '84 300D Turbo which they can send me 
offlist?  Since I purchased this car in '96, this is the second monovalve 
repair I've needed.  Since I haven't driven this car in the winter months until 
now, this doesn't say much for the reliability of this part.  Upon opening 
things up, there is one somewhat fat washer encompassing the monovalve insert 
shaft, a flex/spring steel washer sitting on top of this, and the core winding 
sitting on top of these.  I seem to recall that the first time I replaced this 
that there were three washers, or am I mistaken?  TIA
G. M. Brown
Rochester, NY

Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo diesel

[Tyler Backman]

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I'm sure that it used the factory Bosch VE rotary pump. It's not that  
bad, it just isn't as robust as the inline pumps because it is  
lubricated by the fuel. It doesn't handle as wide a range of  
viscosity, or running the tank empty repeatedly as well as the pump  
used on a mercedes. It is the same pump as used by cummins, VW, and  
many others. By any other standard it is an excellent injection pump  
that can last half a million miles if taken care of. I don't think it  
has any performance disadvantages.


On Nov 30, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:


I wonder what pump was used in the 13 second Volvo featured on
the May 2005 Finnish drag racing video? That was one quick brick.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[LarryT]

When I mentioned I was curious about the advantages of the W140 & W126 I 
hadn't seen the below yet.   Makes me thankful I have the Low-Tech 91 300D 
and 78 240D!  I have since found out the below isn't necessarily news to 
everyone  ---


I find all this kinda scarey.

The NHTSA ruled on 8/21 that carmakers must inform customers when their cars
are equipped with black boxes.  About 2/3rds of current year models have
them which record data such as throttle position, speed, steering wheel
angle, brake usage, seatbelt use, air bag deployment and other info for law
enforcement to learn about accidents and car makers to learn about safety
feature effectiveness.  Insurance companies will also have access to the
data.  "The car went out of control" won't work anymore...

The above appeared in PCA, "Panorama" of  Nov 06 issue.  Sounds like a 
extreme invasion

of privacy - as usual in the name of "safety".  At least they didn't say
it's "for the children".   It's a guarantee this info will end up in court
someday.  IMHO.

Makes me glad my newest car is 15 years old.  ;-)  Whether I do something
wrong or not I don't want my every action recorded and analyzed.

Of course, what *I* want doesn't matter.



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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 Vs W126



I have to say the W126 in my opinion is the best Mercedes sedan ever!

If it is a W126 with crate 3.5L engine and you don't want it, let us know.

Trampas


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 Vs W126


If a W140 Diesel (with factory reblt engine) and a very nice late W126
Diesel with exc engine and all other things being in comparable
condition,
which car is preferable?


For ease and economy of long-term maintenance?  The W126 hands-down.
The W140's are supposed to be a pretty nice ride.  The SDL will have
a bigger back seat area.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Redghost]

My 48" stack of towel is getting a bunch of use.  As they approach the 
weight of a newborn babe, I change them out.


On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Gump has auto frosting mirrors in the cold and she also chose not to
start with BioD in the tank at 16*F


The Frankenheap started just fine this morning at about 8 degrees
on #2.  Did plug in the block heater though.  Started fine at work
after sitting all day at about 16 degrees.

I can't tell if the mirrors are autofrosting or not, 'cause the
windows for sure _are_!  The car was very damp from all the rain,
it had 2" of water in the back footwell mere days ago.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] A380 Crosswind certification

[OK Don]

Talk about crabbing until the last second!

On 11/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://www.mbl.is/mblvideo/157.wmv
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[MBZ] A380 Crosswind certification

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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors + stopping times

[BillR]

"How long does it take to STOP that 3 ton Suburban full of passengers with
1/10th tread left?"

Levi, If memory serves from my time in the frozen wastelands [when I used to
be an EMT], it all depends on the size of the tree.
BillR
Jacksonville, FL

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors


That is definitely true.  Drivers are the biggest factors in the driving and
there are plenty of people who don't have a clue about their vehicles other
than "yeah it's got 4wd" and no clue about how the 4wd or awd works and what
effect that will have.  So they pretty much just say "yeah I got 4wd so snow
doesn't bother me" with no clue about what kind of tires they have or how
much tread is on them...
How long does it take to STOP that 3 ton Suburban full of passengers with
1/10th tread left?

Levi

On 11/30/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
> > If its bad enough out that I can't get somewhere in my 190D I shouldn't
> be out on the streets because its not safe no matter what.
>
> I'm guessing you live somewhere flat.
>
> When I lived in Houghton, MI, there were sometimes places I couldn't get
> to because I didn't have enough traction to climb the hills.  Driving
> was otherwise reasonably safe, I just didn't have enough grip in my 2WD
> van.
>
> Unfortunately, a lot of people have unreasonable expectations of what
> 4WD can do, and they get themselves in trouble.  When we had a snowstorm
> here in the Seattle area earlier this week, I counted a lot more SUVs in
> the ditch than passenger cars.  My guess is the SUV drivers were driving
> with less caution due to their "superior" vehicles, or maybe went out
> when passenger car drivers decided to stay home.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting

[R A Bennell]

So, I wonder if EBay would let Britney or Paris sell their cars on line with 
photos? You have heard of the way the
current starlets avoid "panty  lines" right?

Randy

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At 12:03 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1930-INTERNATIONAL-1-TON-TRUCK-GREAT-CONDITION-SHOW_W0QQitemZ270058935575QQihZ017QQ
categoryZ31846QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>I wonder if this kind of an auction scheme really works?
>
>Curt
>
>

Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Lee Einer]

An immutable reality of the road is that he who goes faster than he can
stop will some day meet with grief.

Here in El Otro Las Vegas we had several inches of snow fall over night.
I was driving on the main drag early this AM, hubs locked, 4wd engaged,
at 20-25 mph. I judged that to be max safe speed. Some clown in a box
van passed me going over the posted speed limit. Idiot. I half expected
to see him down the road either OFF the road or wrapped around a
telephone pole. Didn't happen this time. It will happen some time if the
driver doesn't wise up.

I have no illusions about what my intrepid Isuzu Amigo can do in the
snow. 4WD does help in the snow, but the bottom line is that the rubber
you have on the road is the rubber you have on the road, same traction
whether 2wd or 4wd. 4wd will help you take off and go, it will not help
you stop and it will not do much to help you turn.

My favorite dumbass thing is the SUV owners who think their SUV will go
through a deep flooded wash. You can see them on the news every monsoon
in Phoenix and Tucson- on the roofs of their SUVs, waving to the rescue
helicopter. Note: 4WD does not convert your SUV into a submersible craft.

And then there's this- The biggest SUV on the road for the biggest
morons on the road-

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=Pr-yKGiBnRc&search=suck

Lee

Levi Smith wrote:
> That is definitely true.  Drivers are the biggest factors in the driving and
> there are plenty of people who don't have a clue about their vehicles other
> than "yeah it's got 4wd" and no clue about how the 4wd or awd works and what
> effect that will have.  So they pretty much just say "yeah I got 4wd so snow
> doesn't bother me" with no clue about what kind of tires they have or how
> much tread is on them...
> How long does it take to STOP that 3 ton Suburban full of passengers with
> 1/10th tread left?
> 
> Levi
> 
> On 11/30/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Curt Raymond wrote:
>>> If its bad enough out that I can't get somewhere in my 190D I shouldn't
>> be out on the streets because its not safe no matter what.
>>
>> I'm guessing you live somewhere flat.
>>
>> When I lived in Houghton, MI, there were sometimes places I couldn't get
>> to because I didn't have enough traction to climb the hills.  Driving
>> was otherwise reasonably safe, I just didn't have enough grip in my 2WD
>> van.
>>
>> Unfortunately, a lot of people have unreasonable expectations of what
>> 4WD can do, and they get themselves in trouble.  When we had a snowstorm
>> here in the Seattle area earlier this week, I counted a lot more SUVs in
>> the ditch than passenger cars.  My guess is the SUV drivers were driving
>> with less caution due to their "superior" vehicles, or maybe went out
>> when passenger car drivers decided to stay home.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Levi Smith]

Yeah, here in NY, I've heard Thanksgiving to Easter as a basic reference
point.  That said we have yet to see any real snow so far this year.
They're talking about maybe this weekend though...

Levi

On 11/30/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Bear in mind that us Okie's can barely spell snow, much less know how
to use the tires appropriate for driving in it.
Do I take it that you Northerners put the snow tires on in the late
fall, and leave them on till the flowers come up in the spring?

On 11/30/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The nokians will last 4-5 years hereas the Blizzaks will be great for
1-2
> and then decline. I sold them for 10 years. Get the Hakkas! (unless you
plan
> on selling th car sooner)
>

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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[OK Don]

Bear in mind that us Okie's can barely spell snow, much less know how
to use the tires appropriate for driving in it.
Do I take it that you Northerners put the snow tires on in the late
fall, and leave them on till the flowers come up in the spring?

On 11/30/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The nokians will last 4-5 years hereas the Blizzaks will be great for 1-2
and then decline. I sold them for 10 years. Get the Hakkas! (unless you plan
on selling th car sooner)



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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Levi Smith]

That is definitely true.  Drivers are the biggest factors in the driving and
there are plenty of people who don't have a clue about their vehicles other
than "yeah it's got 4wd" and no clue about how the 4wd or awd works and what
effect that will have.  So they pretty much just say "yeah I got 4wd so snow
doesn't bother me" with no clue about what kind of tires they have or how
much tread is on them...
How long does it take to STOP that 3 ton Suburban full of passengers with
1/10th tread left?

Levi

On 11/30/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Curt Raymond wrote:
> If its bad enough out that I can't get somewhere in my 190D I shouldn't
be out on the streets because its not safe no matter what.

I'm guessing you live somewhere flat.

When I lived in Houghton, MI, there were sometimes places I couldn't get
to because I didn't have enough traction to climb the hills.  Driving
was otherwise reasonably safe, I just didn't have enough grip in my 2WD
van.

Unfortunately, a lot of people have unreasonable expectations of what
4WD can do, and they get themselves in trouble.  When we had a snowstorm
here in the Seattle area earlier this week, I counted a lot more SUVs in
the ditch than passenger cars.  My guess is the SUV drivers were driving
with less caution due to their "superior" vehicles, or maybe went out
when passenger car drivers decided to stay home.


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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[David Brodbeck]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> If its bad enough out that I can't get somewhere in my 190D I shouldn't be 
> out on the streets because its not safe no matter what.

I'm guessing you live somewhere flat.

When I lived in Houghton, MI, there were sometimes places I couldn't get
to because I didn't have enough traction to climb the hills.  Driving
was otherwise reasonably safe, I just didn't have enough grip in my 2WD van.

Unfortunately, a lot of people have unreasonable expectations of what
4WD can do, and they get themselves in trouble.  When we had a snowstorm
here in the Seattle area earlier this week, I counted a lot more SUVs in
the ditch than passenger cars.  My guess is the SUV drivers were driving
with less caution due to their "superior" vehicles, or maybe went out
when passenger car drivers decided to stay home.

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Jeff Zedic]

The nokians will last 4-5 years hereas the Blizzaks will be great for 1-2
and then decline. I sold them for 10 years. Get the Hakkas! (unless you plan
on selling th car sooner)


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[ned kleinhenz]

Nokians seem to be more expensive than Blizzaks.
In recent prices I've seen, before shipping, mounting balancing ect, Nokians
cost ~ $100 to $120. Blizzaks seem to be in the $70 to $85 range.

I'll share the following information, with the careat that it is what I
learned 8 years ago and the current line of Blizzaks may now be different.
Blizzaks were snow tires for half their tread life, and summer tires for the
latter half of tread life.  I suspected that summer half of the tread life
was probably not a fun, performance tire.  So, at that time I bought Nokian
NRW's and used the same set for 6 winters (Dec - Mar).  In that sixth
winter, we had a deep snow fall just before Christmas.  My 124, with its old
Nokians, was often the only vehicle plowing its way down unopened roads and
streets.  So, in my experience, Nokians are effective snow tires right
through 50k+ mi. of tread wear.

Many people like Blizzaks.  I have no first hand experience with Blizzaks,
and don't know thier current philosophy about winter effective tread life.

Ned Kleinhenz

Re: [MBZ] Short notice

[Rich Thomas]

Looks like there might be an audio shop in there?  I bought a whole 
storage cabinet and a bunch of random boxes full of stuff from a dept 
store that had gone out of business, the auction guys did not want to 
deal with it as they were selling all the fixtures, etc. The cab was 
full of screws, little electronic gizmos, and stuff for installing 
stereos, and the boxes had some very good power tools in them, amongst a 
lot of other junk (confiscated knives, switchblades, razors, brass 
knucks, and dope pipes from shoplifters).  Whole deal was $500 a few 
years back, I figured I got about $2k worth of stuff, not counting the 
collectible weaponry and smoking accessories.


--R

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http://www.murphyauctions.net/afxauto.html


  

Re: [MBZ] OT:snowmobile

[Curt Raymond]

It sure is. Mine is a '71 303cc, Arctic Cat used the Sachs wankel 303 from 
'70-'72 and a 295cc higher output from '73-'75. The 303 is about 19hp, the 295 
is about 24hp.
Max speed on my 303 seems to be about 50mph although I've still got some clutch 
issues to work out that keep me from hitting full speed. The engine is a torque 
monster and the sled weighs a ton so it'll pull a big load if I hook it to a 
sleigh. Long enough that its relatively comfortable with both my wife and I 
riding at the same time.
My website has my '71 and a '72, www.deadsledwrenchers.net check under Arctic 
Cat.
Polaris and Johnson/OMC also had rotary powered sled, the Polaris used the 303 
and an interesting dual rotor 606, Johnson/OMC used a different (much larger) 
motor.
The 2 stroke rotary motors make a really cool sound "brrrup brrrup brrrup".

Curt

Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:02:07 -0600 
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rumor has it that Curt wrote:  > Of course if its really bad here I'll just 
take a snowmobile. My '71 > Arctic Cat 303 rotary powered snowmobile will go 
lots of places a > jacked up 4x4 won't...  
Rotary, as in like a Wankle cycle engine?  I "need" one of those!! Even though 
it's rare for there to be more than 4 in (10 cm) of snow on the ground...  I 
used to dream about owing a car (Mazda), a bike (Suzuki), and a chainsaw 
powered by rotary. I figured it would make a great lawnmower engine too!  So 
far I haven't owned _any_ of them.  --   Philip
 
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Blizzaks were originally designed by Metzler, in Germany.  They had blue 
tread and black sidewalls.  When Metzler got out of the PKW tire business, 
they sold the Blizzak line to Bridgestone.

I've never bought anything from tirerack because i could always buy locally 
for the same or less.  There used to be a place called Eurotire in NJ that 
I always bought from because they always had better tires and better 
prices, even with mounting and balancing added on.  Sadly, Eurotire is no 
longer around.  Being a Dieseller, I have no need for v rated 
tires.  Tirerack may well be THE place for V rated tires.

Caveat emptor


At 12:18 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:
>I have yet to find any place nearby that is cheaper to buy them locally and
>have them installed than it is to buy from Tirerack and have them shipped
>then installed.  If you have such a place, good for you!
>
>Blizzaks may not last 6-7 winters (though my wife's and my parents have
>lasted that long).  It depends on how warm and dry and how many miles you
>put on.  They're also only the "good tread" for the first 55%, but if your
>tires are worn down that much then they're not going to be near as good in
>the snow anyway...
>
>Levi
>
>On 11/30/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I can actually buy Blizzaks from a dealer just about anyplace i go.  Cell
> > phone tires, I'd have to drive at least 1500 miles to get them, or mail
> > order them and that gets expensive.   Pay more for a tire, pay $$$ for
> > shipping, and then pay extra for mounting and balancing.  Easily adds $25
> > to $50 a tire.
> >
> > Several years ago I bought some firestone radial snow tires for the
> > 240D.  after 6-7 winters, they are still good enough to use t

Re: [MBZ] Interesting

[Loren Faeth]

They  don't say if it is a six-speed Special, but it looks like it could 
be.  I doubt the seller has even heard of a six-speed Special IH.


At 12:03 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1930-INTERNATIONAL-1-TON-TRUCK-GREAT-CONDITION-SHOW_W0QQitemZ270058935575QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31846QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I wonder if this kind of an auction scheme really works?

Curt


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[MBZ] Short notice

[Redghost]

http://www.murphyauctions.net/afxauto.html

Sorry for the short notice on this auction.  you can bid online.  I am 
sure that Kaleb needs this stuff in the worst way.  Bound to be able to 
get himself a truck to haul it to okie land, along with a bunch of $500 
cars.


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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Levi Smith]

I have yet to find any place nearby that is cheaper to buy them locally and
have them installed than it is to buy from Tirerack and have them shipped
then installed.  If you have such a place, good for you!

Blizzaks may not last 6-7 winters (though my wife's and my parents have
lasted that long).  It depends on how warm and dry and how many miles you
put on.  They're also only the "good tread" for the first 55%, but if your
tires are worn down that much then they're not going to be near as good in
the snow anyway...

Levi

On 11/30/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I can actually buy Blizzaks from a dealer just about anyplace i go.  Cell
phone tires, I'd have to drive at least 1500 miles to get them, or mail
order them and that gets expensive.   Pay more for a tire, pay $$$ for
shipping, and then pay extra for mounting and balancing.  Easily adds $25
to $50 a tire.

Several years ago I bought some firestone radial snow tires for the
240D.  after 6-7 winters, they are still good enough to use this
winter.  I
have been quite pleased with them.  A LOT less money than cell phone
tires.

At 08:18 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:
>Blizzaks are nearly the best there is.Second only maybe to Nokian
>Hakkapelitta's.
>
>They make a world of difference over all seasons.
>
>Mike
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>From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires
>
>
> >A few years ago I was caught in a snowstorm, and after getting tired of
the
> > rear end sliding around on Remington tires, I stopped at  a tire shop
in
> > the town I was in and they had a set of 4 used very little
Blizzacks.  I
> > put them on the 300SDL, and have been using them each winter
since.  My
> > SDL
> > is pretty close to a snowplow with those on.  I did end up with an
extra
> > set of factory wheels in need of paint, and those have the Blizzacks
> > on.  Last fall I painted them with a rattle can (NAPA) and they look
> > decent
> > now.
> >
> > Blizzacks work nicely on LWB126 cars IMHO
> >
> > Loren
> > 86 300SDL
> > et al
> >
> >
> > At 04:13 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:
> >>We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in
> >>America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires.  On
my
> >>most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted
on
> >>a second set of wheels (2 tires not four).  Well, I sold that car to
OK
> >>Don and I am without snow tires.  So, while I was picking up my car at
> >>my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any
> >>snow tires.  He told me they would not help on my car.  He said that
> >>they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124.  This
> >>sounds like malarkey to me.   Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126
> >>(esp. LWB 126).  Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all
over
> >>the place?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Donald H. Snook
> >>
> >>1990 300SEL 133K
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[LarryT]

Hans wrote:>


It's common courtesy to note whether a left handed or right handed Cresent 
is needed.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder



Torque specs are: maximal acheivable pull with a metric Crescent wrech.

On11/29/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl
balls.
Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?

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Re: [MBZ] Interesting

[Chuck Landenberger]

Oh Curt..

Did you mean the auction for the Old Truck was "Interesting"

Pic looked very interesting to me!!!Just an OF enjoying the  
view!  No interest in the truck!


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Nov 30, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1930-INTERNATIONAL-1-TON-TRUCK-GREAT- 
CONDITION- 
SHOW_W0QQitemZ270058935575QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31846QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I wonder if this kind of an auction scheme really works?

Curt

[MBZ] OT: I want this in the worst way

[Curt Raymond]

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It looks like a scam to me but it is so cool

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Chris wrote:<>

Well, under the circumstances that's understandable.  I would imagine he 
didn't want to make eye contact with you. Considering ...  well, you know.

I hope everyone know that Oil Analysis and Mobil 1 willl prevent this 
dastardly situation.
;-)

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>I thought I saw one, but being ball-less, he hid under the pistons.
>
>  CM
>
>
>
> LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Christopher asked:<
> Not  perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single
> dimple. What on earth could those have been?>>
>
> Did you see any little metal men around looking sad?
> ;-)
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> Sorry, couldn;t resist.
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>> When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws 84
>> 300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls. Not
>> perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single 
>> dimple.
>> What on earth could those have been?
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
>> -2006 GSD, "Anke"
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>> -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger"
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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Curt Raymond]

Bite me. ;)

It was 57 this morning in lovely and historic Winchendon, MA (The wooden toy 
capital of the US), 65 in the house which is about where we keep it unless 
company comes over. Its probably 62 out now, too warm for the sweater I wore to 
work today but too cold not to wear it.

Curt

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Ahhh...good old back east winter issues... My big issue was if I was going to 
kick the furnace on once this  morning. It  did get down to 31 degrees last 
night. It was 60 degrees in the house.  I  thought it was fine, the girls 
whined. Took it up to 62 and the whining  stopped.  Bob Rentfro Wearing 
sweaters in AZ
 
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Oh a wise guy? Why I oughta...

I'll stand by my statement, with snowtires on in the winter if I can't go 
somewhere with my 190D I've got no business being out. That was DOUBLY true 
with the 240D, that car was outstanding in the snow.
I have driven a Subaru in the snow, good cars, nicely balanced, nicely geared. 
In my experience people drive them like nuts...

In your example if theres a coating of ice over everything I again stick by my 
statement that most people have no business being out. Okay, if you're wife is 
in labor you've got to go out but an ice storm says to me "no unneeded travel" 
a trip to the store because we're out of milk can wait a day. Sure, I can 
probably make it but what about the guy in the Caddy on bald tires thats sure 
the traction control will allow him to make it? I'm not so worried that my car 
won't carry me I'm expecting some other idiot will plow me off the road...

Maybe thats why I'm such a safe motorcycle rider, I expect that all the other 
drivers are out to get me and take precautions against it.

Curt

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text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  It is true that no one really 
"needs" 4wd.  HOWEVER...  Saying that if you can't get there in your 190D then 
it's not safe for anyone no matter what is NOT.  Anytime you'd like to test 
your 190D against my 97' Suby with Blizzaks  and see who has more control in 
slippery stuff (including stopping but NOT  due to AWD) I will be more than 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D Manual Trans FLYWHEEL

[Loren Faeth]

ok, thanks!

I did read your post with the PNs and that is why I asked Kaleb for 
clarification.  Thanks again for the info!


My quest for a manual trans flywheel for an OM 617 still stands, if anyone 
knows where i can find one.


At 10:39 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:14:28 -0600 Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yes, but 300D 4 and 5 speeds were sold in Canada and there are a fair
> number of grey market cars out there in the US.  I know chances of
> finding  a flywheel are slim, and I planned on using the 240D flywheel,
> but why not ask?

Especially since they're not the same.


> Are all OM 617 engines built with the flywheel and crank balanced
> separately?

That's what the FSM would lead you to believe. In putting together my
240D/3.0, however, I have a 617.912-12 engine (originally assembled with
an automatic transmission) and a 617 manual flywheel (gotten from a
123.130 whose 617.912-10 had punched the connecting rod for #1 through the
block). The machine shop messed up the original balance of the flywheel,
so they rebalanced it by itself.

I slapped the two together and they've been working fine for the last
50,000 miles or so.


Craig

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Near flawless 14" Mercedes Rim (15 hole).  This was my spare and was only
used a couple times.
It is great to mount a snow tire on and the other one on your spare. Easy to
switch tires
In bad weather and back to regular tires in good weather. Or, as I did, put
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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Loren Faeth]

I can actually buy Blizzaks from a dealer just about anyplace i go.  Cell 
phone tires, I'd have to drive at least 1500 miles to get them, or mail 
order them and that gets expensive.   Pay more for a tire, pay $$$ for 
shipping, and then pay extra for mounting and balancing.  Easily adds $25 
to $50 a tire.


Several years ago I bought some firestone radial snow tires for the 
240D.  after 6-7 winters, they are still good enough to use this winter.  I 
have been quite pleased with them.  A LOT less money than cell phone tires.


At 08:18 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:

Blizzaks are nearly the best there is.Second only maybe to Nokian
Hakkapelitta's.

They make a world of difference over all seasons.

Mike
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>A few years ago I was caught in a snowstorm, and after getting tired of the
> rear end sliding around on Remington tires, I stopped at  a tire shop in
> the town I was in and they had a set of 4 used very little Blizzacks.  I
> put them on the 300SDL, and have been using them each winter since.  My
> SDL
> is pretty close to a snowplow with those on.  I did end up with an extra
> set of factory wheels in need of paint, and those have the Blizzacks
> on.  Last fall I painted them with a rattle can (NAPA) and they look
> decent
> now.
>
> Blizzacks work nicely on LWB126 cars IMHO
>
> Loren
> 86 300SDL
> et al
>
>
> At 04:13 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:
>>We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in
>>America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires.  On my
>>most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on
>>a second set of wheels (2 tires not four).  Well, I sold that car to OK
>>Don and I am without snow tires.  So, while I was picking up my car at
>>my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any
>>snow tires.  He told me they would not help on my car.  He said that
>>they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124.  This
>>sounds like malarkey to me.   Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126
>>(esp. LWB 126).  Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over
>>the place?
>>
>>
>>
>>Donald H. Snook
>>
>>1990 300SEL 133K
>>
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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Christopher McCann]

I thought I saw one, but being ball-less, he hid under the pistons.
  
  CM
  
  

LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Christopher asked:<
Not  perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single 
dimple. What on earth could those have been?>>

Did you see any little metal men around looking sad?
;-)

Sorry, couldn;t resist.

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Subject: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder


> When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws 84 
> 300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls. Not 
> perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single  dimple. 
> What on earth could those have been?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Chris
>
>
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -2006 GSD, "Anke"
> -1985 300SD, 217K, "Wulf"
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This is also true.But you see, the guy with the model has figured a 
way around that problem and realizes that the Ferrari is a status symbol 
rather than something practical to drive.  He saves alot on tickets and 
insurance too.LOLOL

Mike
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> which is exactly what you say when your ferrari breaks and the guy with 
> the
> '06 vette cruises by.
>
> On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Minus about 1/3 in taxes that leaves just over a quarter of a million.
>> Figure in the cost of a dining room big enough to house a Ferrari and a
>> way
>> to get it in there and how much is left to buy the Ferrari, used.  Then
>> again, how long would it take you t

Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari

[Sunil Hari]

which is exactly what you say when your ferrari breaks and the guy with the
'06 vette cruises by.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Minus about 1/3 in taxes that leaves just over a quarter of a million.
Figure in the cost of a dining room big enough to house a Ferrari and a
way
to get it in there and how much is left to buy the Ferrari, used.  Then
again, how long would it take you to get enough overtime to do
that.THAT'S 10 YEARS of 40 hour weeks before taxes.
  The man get's the incredible bragging rights of saying he built such an
amazing thing that he never could buy and he has a freekin brand new
Ferrari
in his dining room man!!!
  It's kinda like I once heard a friend say when asked why he spent $60K
on
his Ferrari instead of the new '06 Corvette..He put it this way.."In
six
years you will have an old, used Chevyand I will still have a
f!#$%in Ferrari man!!"

Mike
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> if he had worked at a regular job for 20,000 hours (approximate $20/hr),
> that's $400,000 to buy a ferrari and then have it in the dining room.
>
> On 11/30/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of Ferraris, Hagerty's Classic Car Auction on Classic ESPN is
a
>> real decadent luxury - I think it airs at 10 pm ET on Tuesdays.  A
>> McLaren
>> fetched over $1 mm and several other rarities in beautiful condition
sold
>> for over half a mill on the most recent show.  Best of all, they offer
>> tips
>> on finding a collector car and restoration advice.
>>
>> On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Chuck,
>> > Did you watch the video clip that goes along with it?  It is pretty
>> > interesting.  He said something like buying a car like this would
cost
>> > alot
>> > of money and I had no money so I had to build it.
>> >
>> > Very eccentric to say the least.
>> >
>> > Just how much would it cost JUST to have the custom gearbox built by
>> > the
>> > original designer in 1:3 scale?  That alone had to be a pretty
>> penny.  Not
>> > to mention the other exotic materials used in a Ferrari.
>> >
>> > He learned how to MAKE glass and rubber!!  The man is an absolute
>> > mechanical
>> > genious!!
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:37 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hey Mike,
>> > >
>> > > Probably would have been cheaper and quicker to just build a bigger
>> > > dining room and buy the Ferrari.!
>> > >
>> > > Nevertheless, I admire his dedication, commitment to and
achievement
>> > > of his goal.
>> > >
>> > > Take care,
>> > >
>> > > Chuck
>> > > Phoenix, AZ
>> > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Mike Canfield wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> He said right in the beginning of the clip that his dream was to
>> > >> have a
>> > >> ferrari that would fit in his dining room so he made one.  Strange
>> > >> dream,
>> > >> amazing execution and devotion.
>> > >>
>> > >> Mike
>> > >
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Re: [MBZ] uh, SDL?

[Steve MacSween]

Well, uh, if I had the money, I swear I would buy it just to see the looks
on the faces of the Canada Customs and Border Protection officers, when I
rolled up to import it.

OTOH you might get shot at if you approached a border crossing, driving that
thing fast. It looks like a half-finished prop from some Total Recall or
some B horror flick.

Mac


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> That's a funky hood
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari

[Mike Canfield]

Minus about 1/3 in taxes that leaves just over a quarter of a million. 
Figure in the cost of a dining room big enough to house a Ferrari and a way 
to get it in there and how much is left to buy the Ferrari, used.  Then 
again, how long would it take you to get enough overtime to do 
that.THAT'S 10 YEARS of 40 hour weeks before taxes.
 The man get's the incredible bragging rights of saying he built such an 
amazing thing that he never could buy and he has a freekin brand new Ferrari 
in his dining room man!!!
 It's kinda like I once heard a friend say when asked why he spent $60K on 
his Ferrari instead of the new '06 Corvette..He put it this way.."In six 
years you will have an old, used Chevyand I will still have a 
f!#$%in Ferrari man!!"


Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari



if he had worked at a regular job for 20,000 hours (approximate $20/hr),
that's $400,000 to buy a ferrari and then have it in the dining room.

On 11/30/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Speaking of Ferraris, Hagerty's Classic Car Auction on Classic ESPN is a
real decadent luxury - I think it airs at 10 pm ET on Tuesdays.  A 
McLaren

fetched over $1 mm and several other rarities in beautiful condition sold
for over half a mill on the most recent show.  Best of all, they offer
tips
on finding a collector car and restoration advice.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey Chuck,
> Did you watch the video clip that goes along with it?  It is pretty
> interesting.  He said something like buying a car like this would cost
> alot
> of money and I had no money so I had to build it.
>
> Very eccentric to say the least.
>
> Just how much would it cost JUST to have the custom gearbox built by 
> the

> original designer in 1:3 scale?  That alone had to be a pretty
penny.  Not
> to mention the other exotic materials used in a Ferrari.
>
> He learned how to MAKE glass and rubber!!  The man is an absolute
> mechanical
> genious!!
>
> Mike
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari
>
>
> > Hey Mike,
> >
> > Probably would have been cheaper and quicker to just build a bigger
> > dining room and buy the Ferrari.!
> >
> > Nevertheless, I admire his dedication, commitment to and achievement
> > of his goal.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> > Phoenix, AZ
> > On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Mike Canfield wrote:
> >
> >> He said right in the beginning of the clip that his dream was to
> >> have a
> >> ferrari that would fit in his dining room so he made one.  Strange
> >> dream,
> >> amazing execution and devotion.
> >>
> >> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Levi Smith]

It is true that no one really "needs" 4wd.

HOWEVER...

Saying that if you can't get there in your 190D then it's not safe for
anyone no matter what is NOT.

Anytime you'd like to test your 190D against my 97' Suby with Blizzaks and
see who has more control in slippery stuff (including stopping but NOT due
to AWD) I will be more than happy to oblige.

That said, obviously the biggest factors to do with safety depend on the
drivers.

Personally I'm waiting to see some snow and cold at which point I'll throw
some Blizzaks on the Benz and see how it does.  But IF I do decide to drive
it in the winter I WON'T be taking it on long trips into lake effect areas,
and I will be planning on a high chance of having to call for a ride/tow and
just plain having to drive MUCH slower on any slippery days.
I have YET to come upon ANY day with the Sube when I look out and say "I'm
not sure we'll make it".  If it's REALLY bad out, then I might have to slow
down a bit.  On the REALLY REALLY bad days, if everything is an absolute
sheet of ice (like you can barely walk to the car) then you have to drive
really slowly and carefully.  IF we ever had like 16 inches of snow or more
on the road then it might become difficult since the snow tend to blow over
the front of the car...

I won't speak for other AWD/4WD vehicles because they can all handle
differently, but my point is basically that if you haven't driven my Sube in
the winter then you don't have a clue how it handles.  And if you're only
driving a 190D (with no mention of snow tires) then you have absolutely no
clue of the possibilities of a REAL vehicle in the snow.

Levi
Yeah, I get worked up about traction.  (:

On 11/30/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Uhhh, the '98 probably has narrower tires, then combine that with more
control in the manual trans and a smaller engine, of course its better in
the snow...

I'm still of the opinion that few people "need" a four wheel drive in the
snow and ice. However these days it seems like most people don't know the
difference between needs and wants. If its bad enough out that I can't get
somewhere in my 190D I shouldn't be out on the streets because its not safe
no matter what. All vehicles only have four wheel stop...

Of course if its really bad here I'll just take a snowmobile. My '71
Arctic Cat 303 rotary powered snowmobile will go lots of places a jacked up
4x4 won't...

Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:18 -0600
From: "R A Bennell"
Subject: Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  Message-ID:  Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"  Hey, come on up north where it snows and gets cold. We
can probably  talk you into putting the diesel Benz in the garage for the
winter and driving a jacked up 4X4.  We now have 3 of  them. 2 Ford F150s
and an old Toyota 4Runner. I'm too poor to contemplate a late model gasser
4Matic but I won't do  without 4 wheel drive in the winter
anymore.  Interesting how different the ones we have are. We have a 98 F150
reg  cab shortbox 4X4 with a V6 and manual 5 speed as well as an 02 F150
Supercrew 4X4 with a 5.4 and an AT. I would have  expected the 02 to be
better in snow (at least around town on the streets)  as it is longer and
heavier but it  definitely is not.  I am guessing it is essentially the
difference in tires. The Supercrew has less aggessive  tire tread and I am
thinking that must be making  the difference in traction in the snow.  Randy

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Re: [MBZ] uh, SDL?

[Jeff Zedic]

Someone please explain how that larger frontal surface, looking like a 49
Ford, will make the vehicle more fuel efficient?

Also, why go back to the older crappier headlights instead of the
flusher,more integral nd smoother flowing
86 headlights?

Bogus

Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo diesel

[Zeitgeist]

That had a Nissan turbodiesel in it.  Probably had a tweaked VE pump.

On 11/30/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I wonder what pump was used in the 13 second Volvo featured on
the May 2005 Finnish drag racing video? That was one quick brick.



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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[OK Don]

I'm still waiting for Fina's "pink air" !!!

On 11/30/06, Darrell W. Sigmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What color fluid do you want??

DWS



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Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari

[Jeff Zedic]

Sunil,

Provided of course that he didn't need to pay rent/mortgage, eat or clothe
himself.

I had a customer at the last job I had, a metal working tools company, that
made a 1/4 scale V12 that ran. We also had guys that made coffee can
turbofans that made thrust! They were the size of a coffee can, not made
from one...


Jeff Zedic
Toronto




On 30/11/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


if he had worked at a regular job for 20,000 hours (approximate $20/hr),
that's $400,000 to buy a ferrari and then have it in the dining room.

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Re: [MBZ] uh, SDL?

[OK Don]

I wonder how they figure that is an improvement over the MB hood?

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That's a funky hood

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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Darrell W. Sigmon]

What color fluid do you want??

DWS

Hans Neureiter wrote:

Torque specs are: maximal acheivable pull with a metric Crescent wrech.

On11/29/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl
balls.
Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?

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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Mike Canfield]

Yes they are pretty expensive but worth the money..They are made by 
Bridgestone so whatever planet thier factory is on.


Mike
- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires



Are Blizzaks expensive?  They sound like they must be imported from
the planet Zarkon.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts
would know better than that line of bull.  Snow tires are better on ANY
car
in the snow than all seasons would be.

Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires


>
>
> OK Don wrote:
>>
>> As I've told you before - you need to find another indie --
>
> Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that
> snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch.
> Indy's still a fool for believing it.
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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[LarryT]

Andrew asked:<>-
There are several types of Blizzaks - check TireRack for your desired type - 
for my 91 300D in 195/65R15 the Revo1 Studless Ice & Snow are $79 each. 
They rec'd very high marks from people who bought them, BTW.


So they;re not outrageous IMO - ~$320 for  a set then add mounting, 
balancing  - and road warranty if desired.


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Are Blizzaks expensive?  They sound like they must be imported from
the planet Zarkon.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts
would know better than that line of bull.  Snow tires are better on ANY
car
in the snow than all seasons would be.

Mike
- Original Message -
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires


>
>
> OK Don wrote:
>>
>> As I've told you before - you need to find another indie --
>
> Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that
> snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch.
> Indy's still a fool for believing it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Hans Neureiter]

Torque specs are: maximal acheivable pull with a metric Crescent wrech.

On11/29/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl
balls.
Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?

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[MBZ] Wheels -- Taking bids

[Donald Snook]

I did not know there was a shortage of wheels out there. I would be glad
to part with my wheels. Here's the catch, I would have to order my new
wheels from Tire-rack and get them and then I could ship my current
wheels out to the buyer.  Mine are in good shape no curb rash very good
condition. They are the regular 15 slot wheels. Any bids?  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K 

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Levi Smith]

Not terribly.  Seems like they were in the $50 each vicinity from tirerack
for my 83' 300D...  Generally the Hakka's are harder to find than Blizzaks.
Though this time of year would be the wrong time to go to your local tire
store and try and find some...  For that matter sometimes Tire rack runs out
of a certain size around now as well...

Levi

On 11/30/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Are Blizzaks expensive?  They sound like they must be imported from
the planet Zarkon.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts
> would know better than that line of bull.  Snow tires are better on ANY
> car
> in the snow than all seasons would be.
>
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires
>
>
> >
> >
> > OK Don wrote:
> >>
> >> As I've told you before - you need to find another indie --
> >
> > Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that
> > snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch.
> > Indy's still a fool for believing it.
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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Rusty Cullens]

Damn. Sorry to see that.


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> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > unfortunately they are in the KC dump by now...I did NOT check to see if
they were smooshable or pulverizeable... :-(
> >
> Well, if they weren't pulverizeable  the damage would have looked like
> this.
>
> http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=170615
>
> Learned an expensive lesson that day... pull glowplugs before prechamber.
>
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[MBZ] uh, SDL?

[Luther]

That's a funky hood

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Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari

[Sunil Hari]

if he had worked at a regular job for 20,000 hours (approximate $20/hr),
that's $400,000 to buy a ferrari and then have it in the dining room.

On 11/30/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Speaking of Ferraris, Hagerty's Classic Car Auction on Classic ESPN is a
real decadent luxury - I think it airs at 10 pm ET on Tuesdays.  A McLaren
fetched over $1 mm and several other rarities in beautiful condition sold
for over half a mill on the most recent show.  Best of all, they offer
tips
on finding a collector car and restoration advice.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey Chuck,
> Did you watch the video clip that goes along with it?  It is pretty
> interesting.  He said something like buying a car like this would cost
> alot
> of money and I had no money so I had to build it.
>
> Very eccentric to say the least.
>
> Just how much would it cost JUST to have the custom gearbox built by the
> original designer in 1:3 scale?  That alone had to be a pretty
penny.  Not
> to mention the other exotic materials used in a Ferrari.
>
> He learned how to MAKE glass and rubber!!  The man is an absolute
> mechanical
> genious!!
>
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari
>
>
> > Hey Mike,
> >
> > Probably would have been cheaper and quicker to just build a bigger
> > dining room and buy the Ferrari.!
> >
> > Nevertheless, I admire his dedication, commitment to and achievement
> > of his goal.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> > Phoenix, AZ
> > On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Mike Canfield wrote:
> >
> >> He said right in the beginning of the clip that his dream was to
> >> have a
> >> ferrari that would fit in his dining room so he made one.  Strange
> >> dream,
> >> amazing execution and devotion.
> >>
> >> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Snow Tires and Bad mechanics

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

let me know how much you want for them

Donald Snook wrote:


Thanks for all the advice about the snow tires.  You confirmed my belief
that this guy was a moron (at least as it related to the use of snow
tires). I will be getting mine soon - not soon enough to deal with the
6-12 inches we are supposed to get today. 

 


If Kaleb is out of wheels, you should all encourage him to buy mine.  I
would be glad to sell my wheels, so I can get new wheels from Tire Rack
for my car. 

 


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K 


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 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

www.gm-diesel.com  Check the archives, somebody asked about this already 
and I posted about it in response several times.


Ed Booher wrote:


While we are on the subject of non-MB diesel. Anyone have any
experience with GM? Especially the 6.5L Turbodiesels? Lists, great
tech/doc sites, etc?


On 11/30/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Tyler Backman wrote:


I'll second the comment about the rotary bosch
injector pumps being crap compared to the mercedes type inline cam
pumps. I wish there was a way to convert it over.


I wonder what pump was used in the 13 second Volvo featured on
the May 2005 Finnish drag racing video? That was one quick brick.
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Check ebay, a single wheel will show up fairly often.

Luther wrote:

NOOO, I've already tried to buy rims from Kaleb and he's "out of stock".  Grrr, 
only need 1 for a spare in my SDL.

Luthers



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 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Snow Tires and Bad mechanics

[OK Don]

If this is the same guy that maintained the 300D 2.5, I think it goes
beyond snow tires. I found way too many short-cuts and worn parts that
needed replacing to consider it as having received good maintenance.

LUTHER - here's a set of 126 wheels for you -

On 11/30/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks for all the advice about the snow tires.  You confirmed my belief
that this guy was a moron (at least as it related to the use of snow
tires). I will be getting mine soon - not soon enough to deal with the
6-12 inches we are supposed to get today.

If Kaleb is out of wheels, you should all encourage him to buy mine.  I
would be glad to sell my wheels, so I can get new wheels from Tire Rack
for my car.



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Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[andrew strasfogel]

Are Blizzaks expensive?  They sound like they must be imported from
the planet Zarkon.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts
would know better than that line of bull.  Snow tires are better on ANY
car
in the snow than all seasons would be.

Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires


>
>
> OK Don wrote:
>>
>> As I've told you before - you need to find another indie --
>
> Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that
> snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch.
> Indy's still a fool for believing it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari

[andrew strasfogel]

Speaking of Ferraris, Hagerty's Classic Car Auction on Classic ESPN is a
real decadent luxury - I think it airs at 10 pm ET on Tuesdays.  A McLaren
fetched over $1 mm and several other rarities in beautiful condition sold
for over half a mill on the most recent show.  Best of all, they offer tips
on finding a collector car and restoration advice.

On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey Chuck,
Did you watch the video clip that goes along with it?  It is pretty
interesting.  He said something like buying a car like this would cost
alot
of money and I had no money so I had to build it.

Very eccentric to say the least.

Just how much would it cost JUST to have the custom gearbox built by the
original designer in 1:3 scale?  That alone had to be a pretty penny.  Not
to mention the other exotic materials used in a Ferrari.

He learned how to MAKE glass and rubber!!  The man is an absolute
mechanical
genious!!

Mike
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari


> Hey Mike,
>
> Probably would have been cheaper and quicker to just build a bigger
> dining room and buy the Ferrari.!
>
> Nevertheless, I admire his dedication, commitment to and achievement
> of his goal.
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix, AZ
> On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Mike Canfield wrote:
>
>> He said right in the beginning of the clip that his dream was to
>> have a
>> ferrari that would fit in his dining room so he made one.  Strange
>> dream,
>> amazing execution and devotion.
>>
>> Mike
>
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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Bob Rentfro]

Ahhh...good old back east winter issues...
My big issue was if I was going to kick the furnace on once this morning. It 
did get down to 31 degrees last night. It was 60 degrees in the house. I 
thought it was fine, the girls whined. Took it up to 62 and the whining 
stopped.


Bob Rentfro
Wearing sweaters in AZ


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From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors


Uhhh, the '98 probably has narrower tires, then combine that with more 
control in the manual trans and a smaller engine, of course its better in 
the snow...


I'm still of the opinion that few people "need" a four wheel drive in the 
snow and ice. However these days it seems like most people don't know the 
difference between needs and wants. If its bad enough out that I can't get 
somewhere in my 190D I shouldn't be out on the streets because its not 
safe no matter what. All vehicles only have four wheel stop...


Of course if its really bad here I'll just take a snowmobile. My '71 
Arctic Cat 303 rotary powered snowmobile will go lots of places a jacked 
up 4x4 won't...


Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:18 -0600
From: "R A Bennell"
Subject: Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  Message-ID:  Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="iso-8859-1"  Hey, come on up north where it snows and gets cold. 
We can probably  talk you into putting the diesel Benz in the garage for 
the winter and driving a jacked up 4X4.  We now have 3 of  them. 2 Ford 
F150s and an old Toyota 4Runner. I'm too poor to contemplate a late model 
gasser 4Matic but I won't do  without 4 wheel drive in the winter anymore. 
Interesting how different the ones we have are. We have a 98 F150 reg  cab 
shortbox 4X4 with a V6 and manual 5 speed as well as an 02 F150 Supercrew 
4X4 with a 5.4 and an AT. I would have  expected the 02 to be better in 
snow (at least around town on the streets)  as it is longer and heavier 
but it  definitely is not.  I am guessing it is essentially the difference 
in tires. The Supercrew has less aggessive  tire tread and I am thinking 
that must be making  the difference in traction in the snow.  Randy


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Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Curt Raymond]

Uhhh, the '98 probably has narrower tires, then combine that with more control 
in the manual trans and a smaller engine, of course its better in the snow...

I'm still of the opinion that few people "need" a four wheel drive in the snow 
and ice. However these days it seems like most people don't know the difference 
between needs and wants. If its bad enough out that I can't get somewhere in my 
190D I shouldn't be out on the streets because its not safe no matter what. All 
vehicles only have four wheel stop...

Of course if its really bad here I'll just take a snowmobile. My '71 Arctic Cat 
303 rotary powered snowmobile will go lots of places a jacked up 4x4 won't...

Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:18 -0600 
From: "R A Bennell" 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  Message-ID:  Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="iso-8859-1"  Hey, come on up north where it snows and gets cold. We 
can probably  talk you into putting the diesel Benz in the garage for the 
winter and driving a jacked up 4X4.  We now have 3 of  them. 2 Ford F150s and 
an old Toyota 4Runner. I'm too poor to contemplate a late model gasser 4Matic 
but I won't do  without 4 wheel drive in the winter anymore.  Interesting how 
different the ones we have are. We have a 98 F150 reg  cab shortbox 4X4 with a 
V6 and manual 5 speed as well as an 02 F150 Supercrew 4X4 with a 5.4 and an AT. 
I would have  expected the 02 to be better in snow (at least around town on the 
streets)  as it is longer and heavier but it  definitely is not.  I am guessing 
it is essentially the difference in tires. The Supercrew has less aggessive  
tire tread and I am thinking that must be making  the difference in traction in 
the snow.  Randy
 
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Thanks for all the advice about the snow tires.  You confirmed my belief
that this guy was a moron (at least as it related to the use of snow
tires). I will be getting mine soon - not soon enough to deal with the
6-12 inches we are supposed to get today.=20

=20

If Kaleb is out of wheels, you should all encourage him to buy mine.  I
would be glad to sell my wheels, so I can get new wheels from Tire Rack
for my car.=20

=20

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 133K=20

Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Mike Canfield]

Yep, gotta agree, that one put a smile on my face.That was funny Larry!

Leave it Larry to come up with THAT one!!

LOLOL

Mike
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder



Good one , Larry.
Dwight
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Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
Wickford, RI

 LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Christopher asked:>

Did you see any little metal men around looking sad?
;-)




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Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Mike Canfield]

More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts 
would know better than that line of bull.  Snow tires are better on ANY car 
in the snow than all seasons would be.


Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires





OK Don wrote:


As I've told you before - you need to find another indie --


Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that
snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch.
Indy's still a fool for believing it.


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Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari

[Mike Canfield]

Hey Chuck,
 Did you watch the video clip that goes along with it?  It is pretty 
interesting.  He said something like buying a car like this would cost alot 
of money and I had no money so I had to build it.


Very eccentric to say the least.

Just how much would it cost JUST to have the custom gearbox built by the 
original designer in 1:3 scale?  That alone had to be a pretty penny.  Not 
to mention the other exotic materials used in a Ferrari.


He learned how to MAKE glass and rubber!!  The man is an absolute mechanical 
genious!!


Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari



Hey Mike,

Probably would have been cheaper and quicker to just build a bigger
dining room and buy the Ferrari.!

Nevertheless, I admire his dedication, commitment to and achievement
of his goal.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Mike Canfield wrote:


He said right in the beginning of the clip that his dream was to
have a
ferrari that would fit in his dining room so he made one.  Strange
dream,
amazing execution and devotion.

Mike



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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[degcoast]

Good one , Larry.
Dwight
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Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
Wickford, RI

 LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Christopher asked:< Not  perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single 
> dimple. What on earth could those have been?>>
> 
> Did you see any little metal men around looking sad?
> ;-)
> 
> 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo diesel

[Ed Booher]

While we are on the subject of non-MB diesel. Anyone have any
experience with GM? Especially the 6.5L Turbodiesels? Lists, great
tech/doc sites, etc?


On 11/30/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Tyler Backman wrote:
>  I'll second the comment about the rotary bosch
> injector pumps being crap compared to the mercedes type inline cam
> pumps. I wish there was a way to convert it over.

I wonder what pump was used in the 13 second Volvo featured on
the May 2005 Finnish drag racing video? That was one quick brick.
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[LarryT]

Christopher asked:>


Did you see any little metal men around looking sad?
;-)

Sorry, couldn;t resist.

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From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder


When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws 84 
300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls. Not 
perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a single  dimple. 
What on earth could those have been?


 Thanks,

 Chris



Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-2006 GSD, "Anke"
-1985 300SD, 217K, "Wulf"
-1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Tyler Backman wrote:
>  I'll second the comment about the rotary bosch
> injector pumps being crap compared to the mercedes type inline cam
> pumps. I wish there was a way to convert it over.

I wonder what pump was used in the 13 second Volvo featured on
the May 2005 Finnish drag racing video? That was one quick brick.
Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT Mazda RX7

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> Didn't these have short engine life due to the apex seals wearing out
> and causing the compression to go south?  Or is that a myth?

I thought Mazda had that pretty much licked by the time the RX3 came
out. IIRC, that had an expected life of around 100k when 60k was
considered good for a set of piston rings on an American car.

Re: [MBZ] Xenon

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> I have a metal halide HID lamp in my TV projector and it works great.
> I'm a little less sure if I like that technology in headlights. ;)

I defer to the master on this subject:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/HID.html

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:
> 
> As I've told you before - you need to find another indie --

Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that
snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch. 
Indy's still a fool for believing it.

Re: [MBZ] Scale Ferrari

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hey Mike,

Probably would have been cheaper and quicker to just build a bigger  
dining room and buy the Ferrari.!


Nevertheless, I admire his dedication, commitment to and achievement  
of his goal.


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Mike Canfield wrote:

He said right in the beginning of the clip that his dream was to  
have a
ferrari that would fit in his dining room so he made one.  Strange  
dream,

amazing execution and devotion.

Mike

Re: [MBZ] 300d FLYWHEEL

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:51:10 +0200 "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Thanks for you help Craig, Yes its for a stick shift. 
> 
> Where BTW did you get the part no from for the flywheel as 6170320001 is
> not on the EPC that the dealers have - is it perhaps the original part
> no when the vehciles were first lauched? 

I got the flywheel from a 1980 123.130 with a 617.912 and a stick shift
from the factory. The number I listed is the one it's marked with. The
other number (for a 240D) is from a 1982 240D with a 5-speed (whose
5-speed was already taken).


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manual Trans FLYWHEEL

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:14:28 -0600 Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yes, but 300D 4 and 5 speeds were sold in Canada and there are a fair 
> number of grey market cars out there in the US.  I know chances of
> finding  a flywheel are slim, and I planned on using the 240D flywheel,
> but why not ask?

Especially since they're not the same.


> Are all OM 617 engines built with the flywheel and crank balanced
> separately?

That's what the FSM would lead you to believe. In putting together my
240D/3.0, however, I have a 617.912-12 engine (originally assembled with
an automatic transmission) and a 617 manual flywheel (gotten from a
123.130 whose 617.912-10 had punched the connecting rod for #1 through the
block). The machine shop messed up the original balance of the flywheel,
so they rebalanced it by itself.

I slapped the two together and they've been working fine for the last
50,000 miles or so.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manual Trans FLYWHEEL

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:09:06 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As far as I know they are the same on the manual. I know for sure they 
> are on the automatics.

No, they are not the same. The 300D manual flywheel is heavier than the
240D manual flywheel. My previous email (to which no one has replied) has
the part numbers of both.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Jim Cathey]

Gump has auto frosting mirrors in the cold and she also chose not to
start with BioD in the tank at 16*F


The Frankenheap started just fine this morning at about 8 degrees
on #2.  Did plug in the block heater though.  Started fine at work
after sitting all day at about 16 degrees.

I can't tell if the mirrors are autofrosting or not, 'cause the
windows for sure _are_!  The car was very damp from all the rain,
it had 2" of water in the back footwell mere days ago.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Winter tires

[Jim Cathey]

>

I had a set of Blizzaks on wheels for my W202 which I sold since those 
wheels
can't be used on the W203. I now have a set of Nokian WRs on new car 
takeoff
wheels for my C320 and I think they are better. Particularly since 
they are

not squirrely on dry pavement like the Blizzaks were.


The studded Hakka 1's that I put on our SDL and the 450 SL worked
_great_!  Still using 'em, though the SL's tires have migrated to
the 200D winter beater.

They're getting a little bit aged, about six years, but they're
still working fine.  I don't think they handle badly on dry pavement
either.

That and a bit of weight in the trunk if you need it and you're set.
I had 200# in the SL.  Last year the Frankenheap's trunk was filled
with spare parts, this year it's empty.  Might have to go for the
sand again, we'll see.

The Chicken Wagon came with a set of Alpinas on it, but it hasn't
gotten much use in the snow, especially lately.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[David Brodbeck]

Fmiser wrote:
> rumor has it that Michael wrote:
> 
>> I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl
>> balls. Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?
> 
> I buy my headlight fluid at NAPA - supposed to be the same as the MB
> spec. stuff, but a lot cheaper.
> 
> However, I use only original, Mercedes-lable blinker fluid, 'cause
> otherwise it screws up the cruise control and the fuses.

Try here:
http://kalecoauto.com/

They also have a great deal on piston return springs.

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Luther]

NOOO, I've already tried to buy rims from Kaleb and he's "out of stock".  Grrr, 
only need 1 for a spare in my SDL.

Luthers

From: "James Zavesky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:21:07 -0500
Reply-to: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires

buy a set of 4 used factory rims off kaleb and a new set of bridgestone
blizzaks from tire rack - you'll be fine. that car wil go like a tank in the
snow

jim

- Original Message -
From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] snow tires


> We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in
> America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires.  On my
> most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on
> a second set of wheels (2 tires not four).  Well, I sold that car to OK
> Don and I am without snow tires.  So, while I was picking up my car at
> my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any
> snow tires.  He told me they would not help on my car.  He said that
> they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124.  This
> sounds like malarkey to me.   Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126
> (esp. LWB 126).  Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over
> the place?
>Donald H. Snook
>  1990 300SEL 133K

-- 
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'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
'85 300D (280,176) parts car

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats this Sunday?  Crap.  Im gone this sunday.  You should have come 
last sunday, or next sunday.


OK Don wrote:


You're supposed to be at home Sunday afternoon to sell me a set of wheels -

On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Im headed to St Louis this weekend.  Hope all the
crap has passed on by there by then.




OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its part of the prechamber.

Michael Hall wrote:


You got a part number for those?  I think my car needs them replaced.

Mike

On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


They are supposed to be there.  They help swirl the fuel.

Christopher McCann wrote:



When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws


84  300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls.
Not  perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a
single  dimple.


 What on earth could those have been?

 Thanks,

 Chris



Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-2006 GSD, "Anke"
-1985 300SD, 217K, "Wulf"
-1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger"

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 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Mike Canfield]

If you replace the fuses as soon as you buy the car this is much less likely 
to be a problem.  Either way synthetics are better.


Mike
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From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder



rumor has it that Michael wrote:


I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl
balls. Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?


I buy my headlight fluid at NAPA - supposed to be the same as the MB
spec. stuff, but a lot cheaper.

However, I use only original, Mercedes-lable blinker fluid, 'cause
otherwise it screws up the cruise control and the fuses.

--Philip, in south central MO, where the rain has started...

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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Mike Canfield]

Search for special bulletin # BS4U2FW/

Bound to find it there.  Try Amsoil Synthetic headlight fluid...It's 
expensive but it's much brighter.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder



I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl balls.
Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?

Mike

On 11/29/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


They are covered in the special bulletin along with the muffler bearings
and
headlight fluid capacities.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder


> You got a part number for those?  I think my car needs them replaced.
>
> Mike
>
> On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> They are supposed to be there.  They help swirl the fuel.
>>
>> Christopher McCann wrote:
>>
>> > When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws
>> 84  300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls.
>> Not  perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a
>> single  dimple.
>> >
>> >   What on earth could those have been?
>> >
>> >   Thanks,
>> >
>> >   Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
>> > -2006 GSD, "Anke"
>> > -1985 300SD, 217K, "Wulf"
>> > -1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"
>> > -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger"
>> >
>> > -
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>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
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>>   91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL,
>>   87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
>>   84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>> http://www.striplin.net
>>
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Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Michael wrote:

> I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl
> balls. Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?

I buy my headlight fluid at NAPA - supposed to be the same as the MB
spec. stuff, but a lot cheaper.

However, I use only original, Mercedes-lable blinker fluid, 'cause
otherwise it screws up the cruise control and the fuses.

--Philip, in south central MO, where the rain has started...

Re: [MBZ] snow tires

[OK Don]

You're supposed to be at home Sunday afternoon to sell me a set of wheels -

On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Im headed to St Louis this weekend.  Hope all the
crap has passed on by there by then.



OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder

[Michael Hall]

I STILL need the part number and torque specifications for the swirl balls.
Anyone know where to get a deal on headlight fluid?

Mike

On 11/29/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


They are covered in the special bulletin along with the muffler bearings
and
headlight fluid capacities.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] little metal (?) balls in the cylinder


> You got a part number for those?  I think my car needs them replaced.
>
> Mike
>
> On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> They are supposed to be there.  They help swirl the fuel.
>>
>> Christopher McCann wrote:
>>
>> > When I helped my friend do the head gasket on his mother in laws
>> 84  300SD, in each cylinder were a few little metal-looking balls.
>> Not  perfectly round, much smaller than a BB and each one had a
>> single  dimple.
>> >
>> >   What on earth could those have been?
>> >
>> >   Thanks,
>> >
>> >   Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
>> > -2006 GSD, "Anke"
>> > -1985 300SD, 217K, "Wulf"
>> > -1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box"
>> > -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger"
>> >
>> > -
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>   91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL,
>>   87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
>>   84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>> http://www.striplin.net
>>
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