Re: [MBZ] W124 jacking??

[E M]

Thanks Peter, I'll crawl under there tomorrow and spot all the points you
mention.

Thanks again,
Ed
300E

On 15/04/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I jack the W124 at the diff for the rear, put the stands under the jack
point pads.  On the front, remove the sound encapsulation panel (front
one if there are two) and use the floor jack on the crossmember.  I put
the jack stands under the inner end of the control arm, front pivot.
This seem to hold the car very nicely.

If you are working on the struts, put the stands under the outer end of
the control arm so that the cup on the jack stand is secured in the
hole in the arm, then let the weight down.  Have a care, that spring is
lethal if it gets out, make SURE it's secure!  That way you don't need
a spring compressor to change struts, strut mounts, or ball joint.

The front caliper is floating, the rear is the usual twin opposed
piston type.  Unless the boots on the pins are torn, there is no need
to lubricate the pins -- replace them if the boot is bad.

Watch for sticking calipers on the rear, they don't get used much in
normal braking and the pads rust in place.  Rebuild in the rears is
very easy, though, so if sticky, I'd rebuild them.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Flying the Southwest

[Bob Rentfro]

It's certainly less expensive if you have a plane at your disposal. I have 
no idea what rates are now. I haven't messed with it since '79. Some 
instructors were not too wild about training in a plane they were'nt 
familiar with. I remember doing all my time with an instructor in a Cessna 
150, and got most of my hours in dad's Cherokee.


Bob R




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When going for your license, its much cheaper to just buy your own plane
then you only have to rent the instructor.  If I ever decide to go back
and finish up and get my license, my mother and her husband have a Piper
Cherokee that I could probably borrow for training.

LarryT wrote:
You know, even with wonderful photos like these, it's impossible to 
really

understand how *huge* this wonderful country is!

Thanks for sharing those photos - excellent!  You;re right about Gen
Aviaton - some people never give it a thought, but when someone has been
involved with it, they become aware of how many private pilots andplanes
there are flying at any given moment.   I passed my written FAA and did 
my
cross country solo - then we moved and ran out of time and money - found 
out

that is was *much* more expensive to rent a plane & instructor in NJ than
east Tex!  back in the mid 70s in Tx the plane was $10/hr (IIRC) with a
instructor an add'l $7 or so - NJ was at least 3Xs that much.

Yep, flying the friendly skies in a Cessna 150 is a lot different from a
737. ;-)

Thanks again for sharing those photos-

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[MBZ] Severe Hydroplaning After Suspension Work

[John Peterson]

Friends, what a scary day.  I was out with my 124 for the first time at 
highway speeds today after having front shocks and control arms replaced 
on my 300D.  I got up to 50 MPH and hit a puddle and the car felt like 
/I was on ice/- worse.  Just unbelievable- /no/ control at all.  Spooked 
me enough to pull over and see if the wheels were on the car.  I 
continued at 35-40 MPH home but the car was absolutely dangerous and I 
can't figure out what this could be.  On dry pavement the car drives 
okay- a bit of "jump" of the wheel over bumps that I didn't notice before.


This never felt this way.  I had remarked to others how nice the 124 
with good tires is a wonderful car in the rain.  I have never, never 
felt any hydroplaning whatsoever in my 300D, and today's hydroplaning, 
at very low speeds, was not hydroplaning but total lack of control.  The 
car just left the lane all together, and continued with every puddle.


I'm kicking myself for actually driving the car home.  I should have 
parked it.  Funny thing is, feels almost normal on dry road- just a bit 
stiff and like I said, the wheel seems to jump when I hit a bump.


They changed the control arms (which have new bushing and ball joints of 
course) and the two front shocks with Bilsteins.  They did not do an 
alignment as I wanted a dealer to do this.  Could lack of alignment have 
such an effect, such a dangerous effect?


Anybody seen this?  What a scare.

John Peterson
300D 2.5 87k
Kingston, RI

Re: [MBZ] wanted: clean warning triangle for an SD

[LT Don]

There is a guy on the list who has one (plus a dozen daughters), but I doubt
he will part with it.

On 4/15/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I sold a euro warning triangle holder latch thingie to some guy on
eBay, now he wants the triangle too but I dont have one to sell him.
Anyone who wants to make a few bucks email me offlist and I will hook
you up.

  -Zach


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Re: [MBZ] W124 jacking??

[Peter Frederick]

I jack the W124 at the diff for the rear, put the stands under the jack 
point pads.  On the front, remove the sound encapsulation panel (front 
one if there are two) and use the floor jack on the crossmember.  I put 
the jack stands under the inner end of the control arm, front pivot.  
This seem to hold the car very nicely.


If you are working on the struts, put the stands under the outer end of 
the control arm so that the cup on the jack stand is secured in the 
hole in the arm, then let the weight down.  Have a care, that spring is 
lethal if it gets out, make SURE it's secure!  That way you don't need 
a spring compressor to change struts, strut mounts, or ball joint.


The front caliper is floating, the rear is the usual twin opposed 
piston type.  Unless the boots on the pins are torn, there is no need 
to lubricate the pins -- replace them if the boot is bad.


Watch for sticking calipers on the rear, they don't get used much in 
normal braking and the pads rust in place.  Rebuild in the rears is 
very easy, though, so if sticky, I'd rebuild them.


Peter

[MBZ] W124 jacking??

[E M]

Want to jack up the W124 300E soon and pull all the wheels to check the
brakes and just detail in there.  I see the jack points on the sills, but
where is a good place to put axle stands, both front and rear??  I''ll
probably just do one end at at time, but may put is all up at once to change
the brake fluid in a few months.

With regards to the calipers, are they floating?  If so, how often do you
guys grease the pins?  I usually do the other cars about every 6 months.

Thanks again,

Ed
300E.  Gaz

[MBZ] drain hole question

[E M]

The softe rubber drain hole spout is missing off the passenger side of the
front underside sill, just infront of the jack point.  I've stuck my fingers
up there and tried to clean out some of the dirt and sand, but after a good
wash, or heavy rain, I notice when I drive it a little, then turn into the
driveway, it will leave a trail of water.  Where is the water draining
from?  Mercedes wouldn't run a drain hole through a main sill member, would
they.  No rust there, but doesnt' seem like good long term planning.
Anyway, anyone know a source for the rubber drain spout, other than the
dealer?If not, I'll just grab one next week at the dealer when I'm there
to get some grease for the sunroof.

Thanks everyone,

Ed
300E. gaz.  hee hee

[MBZ] oil pan gasket??

[E M]

Hi Gang,

Putting some highway miles on the W134 gas engine over the past few days.
Still cold here and it has the thinner oil in it.  I notice a small drip of
oil after a run.  Cleaned all the engine and concluded it's the oil pan
gasket.  I don't have manuals yet, but I take it you drop the sound shield,
then the pan?  Does the book call for gasket sealer with the new gasket, or
just put it in dry?  Also, what are the torque numbers for the oil pan nuts?
Thanks,

Ed
300E

Re: [MBZ] wanted: clean warning triangle for an SD

[E M]

Did the W124 come with one too?  My new to me car is missing most of the
stuff in the trunk.  I have the spare tire, and jack, but that's it.  Anyone
have a picture of what the full took kit should look like, and anything else
that should be in the truck, like the triangle, flares, etc.?

Anyone know where I can pickup any of these missing things, at a reasonable
price?

Thanks,
Ed
300E, 331,000 kms.  :-)

On 15/04/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I sold a euro warning triangle holder latch thingie to some guy on
eBay, now he wants the triangle too but I dont have one to sell him.
Anyone who wants to make a few bucks email me offlist and I will hook
you up.

  -Zach


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[MBZ] Off Topic No Porsche Content - No Ferrari Content - No Mercedes Content - NPC NFC NMC

[LarryT]

Howdy,
If anyone out there has experiece selling articles to magazines, please 
reply off-list.

Thanks!  I have a couple of generic questions --

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Re: [MBZ] Car radios

[Rich Thomas]

I doubt it, its just that they are broadcasting other stuff on those 
channels.  The NPR station broadcasts all the talk shows on one channel, 
all music on another, and I think the regular programming on the 3rd.   
A bunch of the FM stations have HD channels too, not sure how many each 
one has.  THey say it is "near CD" quality.


The table HD radios are like $200 now too, I think there are only 2-3 
companies licensed to build them.  I have not looked at it that closely 
though.


You are right though, probably hard to tell the quality in a diesel car, 
but the content is different.


--R

LarryT wrote:
Just curious - can you tell the difference between HD & non-HD in a car 
stereo?


Personally, I have trouble telling the difference between Cassettes and CDs 
as well as VHS Vs DVDs.  But that just may be me.


I'm sure many people can tell a difference, I'm probably not one of them ;-) 
Now, if I were driving a '95 W140 S600 on a silky smooth interstate 
somewhere I might notice a difference.


I must admit though, I do like new gizmo's. Every once in a while I start 
thinkng about one of those guidance computers that tell you where you are 
and how to get where-ever you want to go - but it's not something I need - I 
typically already know where I plan to go -


Sorry about the ramble -
;-)

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Subject: [MBZ] Car radios


  

I saw in the Sunday paper ads this AM an HD radio/CD for $200 at Best
Buy I think it was. Panasonic?  Sounds like a good price.  A lot of
stations are starting to broadcast digitally, and have multiple channels
of programs.  Our local PBS outlet has 3 HD channels now.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Car radios

[LarryT]

Just curious - can you tell the difference between HD & non-HD in a car 
stereo?


Personally, I have trouble telling the difference between Cassettes and CDs 
as well as VHS Vs DVDs.  But that just may be me.


I'm sure many people can tell a difference, I'm probably not one of them ;-) 
Now, if I were driving a '95 W140 S600 on a silky smooth interstate 
somewhere I might notice a difference.


I must admit though, I do like new gizmo's. Every once in a while I start 
thinkng about one of those guidance computers that tell you where you are 
and how to get where-ever you want to go - but it's not something I need - I 
typically already know where I plan to go -


Sorry about the ramble -
;-)

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I saw in the Sunday paper ads this AM an HD radio/CD for $200 at Best
Buy I think it was. Panasonic?  Sounds like a good price.  A lot of
stations are starting to broadcast digitally, and have multiple channels
of programs.  Our local PBS outlet has 3 HD channels now.

--R


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[MBZ] Car radios

[Rich Thomas]

I saw in the Sunday paper ads this AM an HD radio/CD for $200 at Best 
Buy I think it was. Panasonic?  Sounds like a good price.  A lot of 
stations are starting to broadcast digitally, and have multiple channels 
of programs.  Our local PBS outlet has 3 HD channels now.


--R

[MBZ] Toolmonger’s Top 5: The Week in Tools

[Rich Thomas]

Some interesting tools and comments on warranties.  I kinda like those 
vise grips, might have to look those up.


--R

http://toolmonger.com/2007/04/14/toolmongers-top-5-the-week-in-tools-29/

[MBZ] wanted: clean warning triangle for an SD

[Zach]

I sold a euro warning triangle holder latch thingie to some guy on
eBay, now he wants the triangle too but I dont have one to sell him. 
Anyone who wants to make a few bucks email me offlist and I will hook
you up.

  -Zach

Re: [MBZ] Flying the Southwest

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

When going for your license, its much cheaper to just buy your own plane 
then you only have to rent the instructor.  If I ever decide to go back 
and finish up and get my license, my mother and her husband have a Piper 
Cherokee that I could probably borrow for training.


LarryT wrote:
You know, even with wonderful photos like these, it's impossible to really 
understand how *huge* this wonderful country is!


Thanks for sharing those photos - excellent!  You;re right about Gen 
Aviaton - some people never give it a thought, but when someone has been 
involved with it, they become aware of how many private pilots andplanes 
there are flying at any given moment.   I passed my written FAA and did my 
cross country solo - then we moved and ran out of time and money - found out 
that is was *much* more expensive to rent a plane & instructor in NJ than 
east Tex!  back in the mid 70s in Tx the plane was $10/hr (IIRC) with a 
instructor an add'l $7 or so - NJ was at least 3Xs that much.


Yep, flying the friendly skies in a Cessna 150 is a lot different from a 
737. ;-)


Thanks again for sharing those photos-

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[MBZ] IP Tool Timing

[B Dike]

Hi All,

Would someone be so kind to post the instructions for IP timing for 1985 300CD 
using the IP locking tool?

Thanks,


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Those photos do make you want to climb back in the cockpit. I too quit 
flying in the mid to late 70's...around '79 I guesss...Dad took the Cherokee 
with him when he moved to AZ and I was too cheap to rent something to stay 
current.

Bob R


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> Just looked at the photos - crap! Now I have to find the $$$ to start
> flying again. I quit when the rent on the Citabria went over $35/hr.
> in '75. That Maule is supposed to be one fine aircraft.
>
> On 4/14/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And it's hard to find a pilot who will fly the 737 upside down  :-)
>> Flying yourself is the only satisfying way to travel (when you have
>> time to spare).
>>
>> > Yep, flying the friendly skies in a Cessna 150 is a lot different from 
>> > a
>> > 737. ;-)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Modern car radios and installation

[Zoltan Finks]

Thanks!

Brian


On 4/14/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Most of the new receivers have all the same color coded wires, but they
all have a manual in the box that calls out what they are, and all the
ones I have gotten lately have little tabs on the wires too that say,
e.g., LSPKR, PWR, etc.  So that part is easy.

I put one in the 300TD, had to splice some wire to the rear speakers at
the fader (you have to bypass it and hook the rear wires to the rear
wire outputs on the rcvr, so you might want to pull up the shifter boot
to make that part easier, or do some fishing if not.  You will need to
find some always-on power somewhere to keep your settings going, I
forgot where I got that -- cig lighter splice maybe?  You can use some
of the other existing radio wires but you have to figure out which is
which.  I forget now what they are, but someone in the past posted that
info.  I recall it was fairly apparent what was what.

A trick to determine which of those spkr wires is which is to touch a
pair to a 9V battery and you will hear the spkr click.  They have some
color code, but I don't remember it.  You might want to buy some
crimpers and in-line crimp connectors and a bit of spkr wire if you
don't have that, to do the hook-ups.  Or if you have a soldering iron
that works better, with some heat shrink tubing over the joints.  You
can also get those little squeeze connectors that fit over the wires and
have little pins that penetrate and connect them.


The new unit slides right into the DIN mount, and latches in there, then
pop the surround cover on and you're all set.  When I did Brunnhilde's
system, it was like an hour job.

My suggestion, for whatever it is worth, is to buy a relatively
inexpensive unit (there are units available for less than $100 that work
fine -- most all of them have the same guts, but the more expensive ones
have flashy displays and more buttons and such) and put some money into
some relatively decent speakers as that is what makes the sound good
(most anything will sound lots better that what is there now).  I put a
pair of $50 somethings into the wagon in back (I think they were 4
inchers, they just about fit the metric holes), they put out some decent
sound.  The fronts are hard to change if I recall others' comments, so I
left them in.  Remember you will be competing with the klattaklatta so
more than that is not much better sound.  Get one that does MP3 and has
an aux input for your music player -- most all do these days -- so you
can burn CDs with lots of tunes, and use your portable too.

Have fun!

--R

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> We need to finally install a radio to fill that rectangular hole in our
> dash.
>
> Oh, also, do car stereos come with sufficient instructions to facilitate
> installation?
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
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>
>


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Re: [MBZ] W123 200Ds in Chile

[Rich Thomas]

Yeah well the Iowa ethanol farmers are driving up taco prices here, a 
staple of life, so I hope y'all have to pay $4!


--R

LT Don wrote:

Correct, you can't complain. In Iowa diesel is $2.999 -- always happens
right before the farmers have to get into the field to plant, and then once
again around harvest time.

Conspiracy?  Probably not. I am sure it is a long string of coincidences,
year after year after ...

On 4/14/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Today
at the local gas station I saw diesel and gas both for $US2.75, I guess
I can't complain.






  

Re: [MBZ] Modern car radios and installation

[Rich Thomas]

Most of the new receivers have all the same color coded wires, but they 
all have a manual in the box that calls out what they are, and all the 
ones I have gotten lately have little tabs on the wires too that say, 
e.g., LSPKR, PWR, etc.  So that part is easy.


I put one in the 300TD, had to splice some wire to the rear speakers at 
the fader (you have to bypass it and hook the rear wires to the rear 
wire outputs on the rcvr, so you might want to pull up the shifter boot 
to make that part easier, or do some fishing if not.  You will need to 
find some always-on power somewhere to keep your settings going, I 
forgot where I got that -- cig lighter splice maybe?  You can use some 
of the other existing radio wires but you have to figure out which is 
which.  I forget now what they are, but someone in the past posted that 
info.  I recall it was fairly apparent what was what.


A trick to determine which of those spkr wires is which is to touch a 
pair to a 9V battery and you will hear the spkr click.  They have some 
color code, but I don't remember it.  You might want to buy some 
crimpers and in-line crimp connectors and a bit of spkr wire if you 
don't have that, to do the hook-ups.  Or if you have a soldering iron 
that works better, with some heat shrink tubing over the joints.  You 
can also get those little squeeze connectors that fit over the wires and 
have little pins that penetrate and connect them.



The new unit slides right into the DIN mount, and latches in there, then 
pop the surround cover on and you're all set.  When I did Brunnhilde's 
system, it was like an hour job. 

My suggestion, for whatever it is worth, is to buy a relatively 
inexpensive unit (there are units available for less than $100 that work 
fine -- most all of them have the same guts, but the more expensive ones 
have flashy displays and more buttons and such) and put some money into 
some relatively decent speakers as that is what makes the sound good 
(most anything will sound lots better that what is there now).  I put a 
pair of $50 somethings into the wagon in back (I think they were 4 
inchers, they just about fit the metric holes), they put out some decent 
sound.  The fronts are hard to change if I recall others' comments, so I 
left them in.  Remember you will be competing with the klattaklatta so 
more than that is not much better sound.  Get one that does MP3 and has 
an aux input for your music player -- most all do these days -- so you 
can burn CDs with lots of tunes, and use your portable too.


Have fun!

--R

Zoltan Finks wrote:

We need to finally install a radio to fill that rectangular hole in our
dash. 


Oh, also, do car stereos come with sufficient instructions to facilitate
installation?

Brian
83 240D
___

  

Re: [MBZ] W123 200Ds in Chile

[LT Don]

Correct, you can't complain. In Iowa diesel is $2.999 -- always happens
right before the farmers have to get into the field to plant, and then once
again around harvest time.

Conspiracy?  Probably not. I am sure it is a long string of coincidences,
year after year after ...

On 4/14/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Today
at the local gas station I saw diesel and gas both for $US2.75, I guess
I can't complain.





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[MBZ] W123 200Ds in Chile

[Rich Thomas]

I just saw a couple of 200D 123s in Valparaiso Chile when I was there 
this past week.  I was quite surprised to see that designation.  They 
were in pretty good condition but I wondered how they managed to get 
themselves up some of the hills there!  Must have some serious granny 
gear in that tranny -- granny in the tranny!


Diesel was quite a bit lower price than gasoline -- 450 pesos/liter for 
diesel, about 600 for gas, which is about $US0.85 and 1.13 or so.  Today 
at the local gas station I saw diesel and gas both for $US2.75, I guess 
I can't complain.


--R

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

This is kind of interesting... I didn't know the 123 chassis was made
with a diesel engine smaller than the 2.4.  Stick shift and the
typical Euro goodies--manual climate controls and cloth seats are
visible in the picture, and the seller says manual windows and locks
too.

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/310942535.html

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC