Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
I wanna know where one gets those fuzzy blue seat covers to keep you taosty warm. Perhaps this one is more like it! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:28:14 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! No major mechanical issues in the 2.5 years I've owned the car. Translation -- I've done no maintenance in the last 2.5 years and it's still running. On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:29 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. Just fill 'er up with bioD and go, who cares what's going on underneath that metal thing that opens in the front. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB roadside service
Good point-I always tip a wrecker driver from either local shop or AAA. I haven't tipped the ML320 driver. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:15 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB roadside service While I know the very idea is anathema to most list members and many will start fanning themselves in shock and awe, I think it's customary to tip the MB tech who shows up to get you going. RLE ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html That car would fetch another $1K around here. I've got $2800 ($1300 entry fee +another $1500 so far) into my 266k mile '83 'SD, and it isn't sorted out yet. I would be happy to pay $2500 for a W123 with only 140Kmi on it. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
KC 135s and I believe B-52s use water injection. Wilton can explain this better than I can. For take off with heavy loads, they inject water into the engines for a power boost. Harry On Dec 17, 2007 10:37 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever should give more cylinder pressure when heated by combustion (or even compression). I don't think that just high humidity would improve performance though - perhaps some imperial testing is in order? On Dec 17, 2007 9:29 AM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, The water to steam conversion should hold in any case, and it should make a bit of difference though how much I don't know (my cars both diesel and gas seem to run a bit better with more power when it is foggy). The fog droplets are still water and when heated to above 100deg C will expand. Something like 10 times in volume I think. The steam that we see from a steam locomotive is that same high volume vapor recondensed to water droplets in the cooler, below 100Deg C, air after it has done the job in the cylinder. There were some steam locomotives that even collected and recondensed that used steam in the tender using big radiators. The water was then reused to produce steam again. The train didn't have to stop so often to get more water as only leakage had to be replaced. So as long as you can see it it can be heated and the expansion to a higher volume made use of. Probably more than anyone wanted to know about steam and water! Manfred -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
Howdy - When the hydropneumatic levelling device died on my W108 it allowed the rear of the car to ride very low. Wy too low. I found a Spring Assy. that could be used in lieu of the compensator since back then (30 years ago) they were almost $500. The Spring was less than $100 and IIRC I bought it from a place in Fl. The spring brought the rear end back to proper ride height and changed the ride very little. My compensator never leaked - it just collapsed - that's the way they all fail AFAIK. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device OK gang, I've looked everywhere and have not found a description of what is inside the hydropneumatic device fitted to W108 rear axles. Is this a typical nitrogen-charge-behind-a-diaphragm scenario (this would explain why they don't last forever) or did the engineers do something clever? Well, the self levelling is a clever idea in itself, but were they able to avoid the need for a diaphragm and a nitrogen charge... What is the failure mode for these devices? Is it just that they stop performing the levelling function (loss of fluid) or do they lose the nitrogen charge and then become very firm, producing a harsh ride? Numerous people have told me that this device doesn't last and doesn't make a big difference etc etc, but people say the same about the self-levelling on MB wagons and that's certainly not a troublesome system if you understand it. Has anyone actually seen one of the W108-fitted devices in pieces, or a diagram of its composition? D. -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5 (150,000 km) Blauer Engel 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (390,000 km) Brown Betty Shady Past: 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI The Hated Golf (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
New tires, 90% thread? SB tread? Super cool fuzzy blue seat covers? 3 Excellent bumper stickers? Someone needs to hurry up jump on this one before the Super cool fuzzy blue seat covers get stolen installed in a Volvo.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. Just fill 'er up with bioD and go, who cares what's going on underneath that metal thing that opens in the front. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Tom Hargrave wrote: New tires, 90% thread? SB tread? Freudian slip? I've let tires show fabric threads or steel belts in the past. Can't go beyond 5% thread or 1% steel before the air starts leaking out faster than you can pump it in. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The good fight is over
Hi Rusty, WOW! The odds he would make it for 18 flights must be astronomical! The job those 18 19 year old kids did never fails to amaze. Facing guns and lng odds, most knowing they will probably not see home again dieing in and over jungles, fields and oceans to defend freedom - or more likely to defend their buddies. I read Citizen Soldiers by Stephen Ambrose and reading about the young men parachuting into France and being killed on the way down by German guns or drowning when they hit the flooded fields. Never firing a shot, never even seeing the enemy, just dead on their first mission. My Dad served in the Navy in the Pacific - mostly on a PT Tender on Guadlecanal, he would end up buying American German cars - Olds VWs - but could never bring himself to buy a Japanese car - said he just couldn't get over them shooting at him - he took that personal. ;-) He had been on the USS California until about 2 weeks before it was sank during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Got lucky there - we have what can only be described as a Scrapbook filled with photos of the Calif along with messages and photos of all his buddies. It reads like a high school annual - notes from all his mates. I guess I should donate it to someone - although I'll ask my kids if they'd like it and the other stuff he left. Anyway -- Your Dad was very, very lucky! (Mine too) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The good fight is over Here is the best part. He flew 18 missions with 11 other planes in his formation. The MOST that ever came back was 6. He did it 18 times! No wonder he lived to be 86. I think that is the most amazing of all his WWII stories. Except maybe the ones about the nice English girls..oops, I forget this isn't banned. Sorry :) Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The good fight is over My sincere condolences, Rusty. I have the deepest respect for WWII vets, and it saddens me that so many are slipping away without their stories being recorded. Every time one passes on a little light goes out of the world. Sounds like your father will be remembered by you at least. That's the best thing you can do---preserve the memory of how he fought and for what. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The good fight is over
Great suggestion Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The good fight is over LarryT wrote: I plan to donate my Dad's letters to my Mom once I finish reading them. Shove those puppies through the scanner and burn them to CD for the family archives. I'll have to ask my parents if their letters from Dad's Army days are private or if they are family history. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The good fight is over
Luckily, there are many war museums who are eager for stuff like that - it;s great so much was kept together. Reading letters from the Civil War era is an interesting experience - they really had a much different way of expressing themselves - much more lyrical - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The good fight is over On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:37:54 -0700, you wrote: Having an evidence of portions of family history like that must be exciting. My family was either horrible about saving/documenting/telling stories or just didn't care about our history. Really creates a little void. I have my Great Grandfather's Pistol, Sword, Cartridge Container, Belt and Buckle from his visit into the Virginias during the 1860's. We also have a letter he wrote during that time, witnessed a hanging. I want to donate to a museum in hopes of keeping it together. I've recently been told by a local historian the such collections are usually broken up and auctioned to pay o-head expenses. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
They'll arrange one - they use E Class wagons for service but will arrange a tow if things are that serious - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB Larry, I know you are a fact checker, but are you sure about the tow? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB That makes the Free for Life service MB provides particularity helpful! They'll bring out a couple of gallons of diesel, change a flat tire, jump start and tow the car if needed - all for free - to any MB owner - original buyer or not. That's a pretty good commitment to service. I know, if it needs to be towed they will probably only take it to the nearest dealer, but at least they don;t leave you in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night - enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Story of stuff
I think I could give up the microwave for my wife to have met her grandfather... Remember in war people DIE. Sure we get some useful stuff but those people are still dead. -Curt Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:44:22 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Story of stuff To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 And the list goes on on on.. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/17/07 03:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Story of stuff -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Dec 17, 2007 12:40 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, military spending to reasearch new weapons, weapon systems and medical procedures have had a tremendous positive inpact on our standard of living. Much of what we call modern from plastics and lubricants through some fabrics are a direct result of Military spending. Two excellent examples are WD-40 and the insulating liner in your light weight winter coat. Don't forget the huge lifestyle impact of the microwave oven! I know people who haven't touched a stove, coffee maker, etc. since buying their first microwave. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Its not good for a long commute? I thought a 190D would be perfect for a long commute to work. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:29 AM Subject: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. Just fill 'er up with bioD and go, who cares what's going on underneath that metal thing that opens in the front. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Well the windows that don't work and are too expensive to fix is a bad fuse. The Takes 10-15 minutes of driving to warm up. and 30-35 MPG are a bad thermostat. It almost certainly needs fuel filters. Oh and its a 2.2l 190D so its not going to drive like a gas car in the best of times. Plus its an auto... Could be a good deal if you could get it for $1500. I paid $2950 for mine with a 5spd in only slightly better condition. 190D prices are crazy. -Curt Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:29:23 -0800 From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. Just fill 'er up with bioD and go, who cares what's going on underneath that metal thing that opens in the front. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Is that yours? Thats a pretty good ad, the pictures show a car somebody actually wants to sell, its CLEAN! Is it a euro? I highly prize the manual hvac controls. My 240D had 'em and I think they're great. I'd try to get it for $2k but it'd be hard for me to walk away from. My wife would love me for it. -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:06:33 -0500 From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I wanna know where one gets those fuzzy blue seat covers to keep you taosty warm. Perhaps this one is more like it! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Kevin wrote: The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html The strangest thing to me was that he said this car is not for someone with a long commute to work. REALLY? I would think a 190D would be one of the best cars for a long commute to work. Get great mileage, it doesn't have to be fancy, just reliable. One reason it might be so slow and hard to warmup could be because he is driving it on short trips around town and not getting it on the highway for an Italian Tuneup. Seems like I remember someone talking about a car that ran poorly when first started because there was so much black gunk (carbon and coke) that it was soaking up the fuel. This thing might not be a bad car if you drove the heck out of it for a couple of months. But, I agree with you. I wouldn't buy it from this guy because who knows what short cuts he has taken. Donald H. Snook Still looking for the next Benz. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
Not the battery cables - those are tight and the battery took a charge over the last 2 days - 2A trickle, so it should be good to go. Weirdness persists. I am going to soak the tumbler with deoxit and hope some gets to the ignition switch. Will disconnect the battery and rotate the tumbler real good. It's worth a try before getting into the switch. Deoxit has proven quasi-miraculous in the past. Chris Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the boy's car had loose connectors, he jiggled them but did not tighten them before calling for the jump. I think what happened was moving from hot Texas to cold Philly, and the temps dropping up there to cold levels, loosened them just enough that they were not making good contact to charge/start the car. The guy who came tightened them and jumped it, all was well. Also if that big battery is dead, it will either take some time to get it juiced up on the jump, or if it shorted or otherwise completely fried, it will just keep sucking up the jump power and there won't be enough to do anything else. --R Christopher McCann wrote: battery died on the SD yesterday. No problem, will jump it. 1) The terminals were NOT hooked up backwards 2) when I tried to start the car after attaching jumper cables, the instrument cluster lights did not come on until I was in the start position (the key that is)...no starting, no turn over - NOTHING...and you can't turn the key further TO start. NOTHING, NO POWER to ANYTHING unless the key is all the way in the start position. Accesory does nothing. When Key is all the way to start, windows, for example, work, but not in accesory position. Very strange - any ideas? I'm hoping a relay, perhaps? I checked and swapped around the ice cubes (not sure which ones do what) and that had no effect. Didn't check the other relays. Fuses are all fine. 3) 2 amp trickle charged for 7 hours and the same thing. Thanks much in advance! Chris -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
I am going to soak the tumbler with deoxit and hope some gets to the ignition switch. None will. Once you dive into yours you'll know why. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Kevin noted: He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained True...but what about those three cutesy bumper stickers he mentioned? Certainly that makes the $2.5K justified, right? I believe there are people out running about that should be included in OK Don's case load (wait...that would be disparaging to OK Don's clients...I'm sure they have more on the ball that some of these knucks). Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
I am going to soak the tumbler with deoxit and hope some gets to the ignition switch. If one is off and start is on, you don't want to clean the switch, you want to take it off and find out why it doesn't turn fully. It has to turn with the lock unless it's loose or something is broken. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html Is that interior correct for what he describes? It looks like an early 240D interior...especially the HVAC controls. Or am I jacked up? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! I wanna know where one gets those fuzzy blue seat covers to keep you taosty warm. Perhaps this one is more like it! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:28:14 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! No major mechanical issues in the 2.5 years I've owned the car. Translation -- I've done no maintenance in the last 2.5 years and it's still running. On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:29 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. Just fill 'er up with bioD and go, who cares what's going on underneath that metal thing that opens in the front. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
It's a pump system with hydraulic damping using air compressed by the movement of the piston shaft back and forth and an internal valving system to keep the resting position the same. Works great when new, but I suspect they are all long dead by now. Either the seals fail and it won't hold pressure, or the valves fail and it won't generate pressure. There is a reason that Benz switched to pump driven hydraulic/nitrogen self leveling in 1968. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
I've done an ignition switch on the 92 Dodge and in that case some might get on the terminals...no idea what the MB one looks like. Does anyone know if you need a special tool to remove the ignition switch? Dodge had tamper-resistant torx. Thanks, Chris Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to soak the tumbler with deoxit and hope some gets to the ignition switch. None will. Once you dive into yours you'll know why. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
Perhaps you should try a different battery? No amount of charging will help a bad battery. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting craziness... Not the battery cables - those are tight and the battery took a charge over the last 2 days - 2A trickle, so it should be good to go. Weirdness persists. I am going to soak the tumbler with deoxit and hope some gets to the ignition switch. Will disconnect the battery and rotate the tumbler real good. It's worth a try before getting into the switch. Deoxit has proven quasi-miraculous in the past. Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
I hear you. Took a closer look and one is actually partially on and start is more on. prolly mechanical, but maybe not. Do you know if there is a special tool to get the ignition switch off? Van had temper-resistant torx. I'm afraid I'll need a special MB tool (which really would be tamper resistant). Chris Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to soak the tumbler with deoxit and hope some gets to the ignition switch. If one is off and start is on, you don't want to clean the switch, you want to take it off and find out why it doesn't turn fully. It has to turn with the lock unless it's loose or something is broken. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
Its just held on with 3 flat head screws --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting craziness... I've done an ignition switch on the 92 Dodge and in that case some might get on the terminals...no idea what the MB one looks like. Does anyone know if you need a special tool to remove the ignition switch? Dodge had tamper-resistant torx. Thanks, Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Robert Rentfro wrote: I believe there are people out running about that should be included in OK Don's case load (wait...that would be disparaging to OK Don's clients...I'm sure they have more on the ball that some of these knucks). I think you mean Iowa Don AKA Lt. Wonko. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
Battery has fully charged. Chris Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you should try a different battery? No amount of charging will help a bad battery. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting craziness... Not the battery cables - those are tight and the battery took a charge over the last 2 days - 2A trickle, so it should be good to go. Weirdness persists. I am going to soak the tumbler with deoxit and hope some gets to the ignition switch. Will disconnect the battery and rotate the tumbler real good. It's worth a try before getting into the switch. Deoxit has proven quasi-miraculous in the past. Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
Mitch Haley wrote: If one is off and start is on... Where did that 'one' come from? If on is off and start is on... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
As if I need another... I'm very very tempted. I'm asking 3,900 for an '85 with 232K. From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:33:00 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html That car would fetch another $1K around here. I've got $2800 ($1300 entry fee +another $1500 so far) into my 266k mile '83 'SD, and it isn't sorted out yet. I would be happy to pay $2500 for a W123 with only 140Kmi on it. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
My company has several trucks with H2O injection. Let me ask our fuel economy manager for his take on it. Luther On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:20 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever should give more cylinder pressure when heated by combustion (or even compression). I don't think that just high humidity would improve performance though - perhaps some imperial testing is in order? On Dec 17, 2007 9:29 AM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, The water to steam conversion should hold in any case, and it should make a bit of difference though how much I don't know (my cars both diesel and gas seem to run a bit better with more power when it is foggy). The fog droplets are still water and when heated to above 100deg C will expand. Something like 10 times in volume I think. The steam that we see from a steam locomotive is that same high volume vapor recondensed to water droplets in the cooler, below 100Deg C, air after it has done the job in the cylinder. There were some steam locomotives that even collected and recondensed that used steam in the tender using big radiators. The water was then reused to produce steam again. The train didn't have to stop so often to get more water as only leakage had to be replaced. So as long as you can see it it can be heated and the expansion to a higher volume made use of. Probably more than anyone wanted to know about steam and water! Manfred -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
great. Thanks! Chris Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its just held on with 3 flat head screws --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting craziness... I've done an ignition switch on the 92 Dodge and in that case some might get on the terminals...no idea what the MB one looks like. Does anyone know if you need a special tool to remove the ignition switch? Dodge had tamper-resistant torx. Thanks, Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
I thought you were calling the...oh, let's call it the glow position...one - you said one, so I ran with with. So to restate, on is actually not off, but partially on...start is more on, but not start. Chris Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: If one is off and start is on... Where did that 'one' come from? If on is off and start is on... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
You know, you're right! It's hard to tell from pic but doesn't look like '85 turbo HVAC. Also appears that the zebrano wood is missing on center console? Am I right that '84 offered a turbo and non-turbo but in '85 was only the turbo? The only think I can tell about the engine is the oil dipstick is red and not yellow (that sound blonde, huh?). I how there's a catch so I can walk away sour grapes. No way can I afford another one and Richmond is fairly close. T From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:51:29 -0700 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html Is that interior correct for what he describes? It looks like an early 240D interior...especially the HVAC controls. Or am I jacked up? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! I wanna know where one gets those fuzzy blue seat covers to keep you taosty warm. Perhaps this one is more like it! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:28:14 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! No major mechanical issues in the 2.5 years I've owned the car. Translation -- I've done no maintenance in the last 2.5 years and it's still running. On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:29 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. Just fill 'er up with bioD and go, who cares what's going on underneath that metal thing that opens in the front. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] oxymoron of the day
http://mbca.cartama.net/archive/index.php/f-32.html #15 Fast 240 D What are they smoking -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
Been a while now but Dan Penoff used to have a '62 300SE, a fintail with hydropneumatics. As I recall, when I first saw it the car had been sitting for quite a while and the suspension had leaked down. It pumped right up on starting though and held pretty well at shutoff. Don't know if he ever addressed that but I suspect he knows a fair amount about the system. I encountered him fairly recently - over at Rusty's forum, iirc; you might try there. His ride was #44 on the list at: http://www.heckflosse.nl/photo.htm#87200 -j ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Yupgot my dons mixed up for a second... which, on the sopranos, could get you in trouble. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! Robert Rentfro wrote: I believe there are people out running about that should be included in OK Don's case load (wait...that would be disparaging to OK Don's clients...I'm sure they have more on the ball that some of these knucks). I think you mean Iowa Don AKA Lt. Wonko. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
I bought mine because Marshall said they were about the best econmomical long commute cars out there. It truely is, in the summer I've gotten as high as 43mpg if I can keep it slow... -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:31:20 -0600 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kevin wrote: The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html The strangest thing to me was that he said this car is not for someone with a long commute to work. REALLY? I would think a 190D would be one of the best cars for a long commute to work. Get great mileage, it doesn't have to be fancy, just reliable. One reason it might be so slow and hard to warmup could be because he is driving it on short trips around town and not getting it on the highway for an Italian Tuneup. Seems like I remember someone talking about a car that ran poorly when first started because there was so much black gunk (carbon and coke) that it was soaking up the fuel. This thing might not be a bad car if you drove the heck out of it for a couple of months. But, I agree with you. I wouldn't buy it from this guy because who knows what short cuts he has taken. Donald H. Snook Still looking for the next Benz. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
Been a while now but Dan Penoff used to have a '62 300SE, a fintail with hydropneumatics. That's different. The leveling device was, IIRC, always called a 'compensator'. Though it was _a_ hydropneumatic levelling device, it was not _the_ hld. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
I'd certainly go give it a gander if I were closer. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! You know, you're right! It's hard to tell from pic but doesn't look like '85 turbo HVAC. Also appears that the zebrano wood is missing on center console? Am I right that '84 offered a turbo and non-turbo but in '85 was only the turbo? The only think I can tell about the engine is the oil dipstick is red and not yellow (that sound blonde, huh?). I how there's a catch so I can walk away sour grapes. No way can I afford another one and Richmond is fairly close. T From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:51:29 -0700 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html Is that interior correct for what he describes? It looks like an early 240D interior...especially the HVAC controls. Or am I jacked up? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! I wanna know where one gets those fuzzy blue seat covers to keep you taosty warm. Perhaps this one is more like it! http://richmond.craigslist.org/car/506218277.html From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:28:14 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! No major mechanical issues in the 2.5 years I've owned the car. Translation -- I've done no maintenance in the last 2.5 years and it's still running. On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:29 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/512386538.html He wants $2500 for it with 300K+. The engine is strong, but doesn't have good pickup? Hmmm. I think that this one's another Bio Baby that hasn't been maintained the way a Mercedes should be maintained. Just fill 'er up with bioD and go, who cares what's going on underneath that metal thing that opens in the front. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
You know, you're right! It's hard to tell from pic but doesn't look like '85 turbo HVAC. My guess is that it's a non-turbo Euro car. The ADA/ALDA on the injector pump looks suspiciously free of piping, which the turbo would have. I don't think you could get the manual HVAC here on anything but the base 240D. And Frankenjobs are remarkably rare. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
the general feeling is that the springs work for sixes but not for eights. On Dec 18, 2007 7:53 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - When the hydropneumatic levelling device died on my W108 it allowed the rear of the car to ride very low. Wy too low. I found a Spring Assy. that could be used in lieu of the compensator since back then (30 years ago) they were almost $500. The Spring was less than $100 and IIRC I bought it from a place in Fl. The spring brought the rear end back to proper ride height and changed the ride very little. My compensator never leaked - it just collapsed - that's the way they all fail AFAIK. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device OK gang, I've looked everywhere and have not found a description of what is inside the hydropneumatic device fitted to W108 rear axles. Is this a typical nitrogen-charge-behind-a-diaphragm scenario (this would explain why they don't last forever) or did the engineers do something clever? Well, the self levelling is a clever idea in itself, but were they able to avoid the need for a diaphragm and a nitrogen charge... What is the failure mode for these devices? Is it just that they stop performing the levelling function (loss of fluid) or do they lose the nitrogen charge and then become very firm, producing a harsh ride? Numerous people have told me that this device doesn't last and doesn't make a big difference etc etc, but people say the same about the self-levelling on MB wagons and that's certainly not a troublesome system if you understand it. Has anyone actually seen one of the W108-fitted devices in pieces, or a diagram of its composition? D. -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5 (150,000 km) Blauer Engel 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (390,000 km) Brown Betty Shady Past: 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI The Hated Golf (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Having to Slam Door
When it's cold (well, cold for here.below 50 degrees) my drivers door requires more effort to get it closed. When it's in the 30's like it was this morning it requires great effort to get it closed. At first I thought it was the new weatherstripping I put on but I installed that two years ago and last winter I didn't;\'t have this problem. Is there a means to adjust the doors? It seems like it might be sagging a slight bit. Everything seems tight. This irritates me. Bob R. '77 300D 188K miles Chilly (today) AZ..but it's gonna be 65 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
I couldn't disagree more. I replaced the rear spring kit with an OEM used compensator and this eliminated a lot of harshness in how the car takes bumpy roads, esp. in the rear. On Dec 18, 2007 7:53 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - When the hydropneumatic levelling device died on my W108 it allowed the rear of the car to ride very low. Wy too low. I found a Spring Assy. that could be used in lieu of the compensator since back then (30 years ago) they were almost $500. The Spring was less than $100 and IIRC I bought it from a place in Fl. The spring brought the rear end back to proper ride height and changed the ride very little. My compensator never leaked - it just collapsed - that's the way they all fail AFAIK. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device OK gang, I've looked everywhere and have not found a description of what is inside the hydropneumatic device fitted to W108 rear axles. Is this a typical nitrogen-charge-behind-a-diaphragm scenario (this would explain why they don't last forever) or did the engineers do something clever? Well, the self levelling is a clever idea in itself, but were they able to avoid the need for a diaphragm and a nitrogen charge... What is the failure mode for these devices? Is it just that they stop performing the levelling function (loss of fluid) or do they lose the nitrogen charge and then become very firm, producing a harsh ride? Numerous people have told me that this device doesn't last and doesn't make a big difference etc etc, but people say the same about the self-levelling on MB wagons and that's certainly not a troublesome system if you understand it. Has anyone actually seen one of the W108-fitted devices in pieces, or a diagram of its composition? D. -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5 (150,000 km) Blauer Engel 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (390,000 km) Brown Betty Shady Past: 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI The Hated Golf (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
Perhaps. I noticed the differnece immediately in my 280SE 3.5. I can't recall whether my W108 280SE sedan had the spring or the compensator. On Dec 18, 2007 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the general feeling is that the springs work for sixes but not for eights. On Dec 18, 2007 7:53 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - When the hydropneumatic levelling device died on my W108 it allowed the rear of the car to ride very low. Wy too low. I found a Spring Assy. that could be used in lieu of the compensator since back then (30 years ago) they were almost $500. The Spring was less than $100 and IIRC I bought it from a place in Fl. The spring brought the rear end back to proper ride height and changed the ride very little. My compensator never leaked - it just collapsed - that's the way they all fail AFAIK. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device OK gang, I've looked everywhere and have not found a description of what is inside the hydropneumatic device fitted to W108 rear axles. Is this a typical nitrogen-charge-behind-a-diaphragm scenario (this would explain why they don't last forever) or did the engineers do something clever? Well, the self levelling is a clever idea in itself, but were they able to avoid the need for a diaphragm and a nitrogen charge... What is the failure mode for these devices? Is it just that they stop performing the levelling function (loss of fluid) or do they lose the nitrogen charge and then become very firm, producing a harsh ride? Numerous people have told me that this device doesn't last and doesn't make a big difference etc etc, but people say the same about the self-levelling on MB wagons and that's certainly not a troublesome system if you understand it. Has anyone actually seen one of the W108-fitted devices in pieces, or a diagram of its composition? D. -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5 (150,000 km) Blauer Engel 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (390,000 km) Brown Betty Shady Past: 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L(155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI The Hated Golf (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Timothy Robinson wrote: Am I right that '84 offered a turbo and non-turbo but in '85 was only the turbo? MBUSA had only turbos from 82-85, except for the 240D. I don't think a turbo was ever available in the 123 chassis except for North America and maybe Japan. I'll add my vote to the euro car, no turbo guess. If the euros have manual tranny, they can be quite desireable. I'm not sure if trading the turbo for manual HVAC and possibly manual windows/sunroof is a good deal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
Christopher McCann wrote: So to restate, on is actually not off, but partially on...start is more on, but not start. Might be something bent inside the switch, but it's sounding like you might get away with tightening those three screws. (or tightening one, and finding replacements for two that already fell out) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Only slightly mixed up -- the other Don's wife is a psych nurse. On Dec 18, 2007 9:35 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yupgot my dons mixed up for a second... which, on the sopranos, could get you in trouble. Bob R. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device
He is subscribed here also, I do believe. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader - Original Message - From: Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W108 hydropneumatic levelling device Been a while now but Dan Penoff used to have a '62 300SE, a fintail with hydropneumatics. As I recall, when I first saw it the car had been sitting for quite a while and the suspension had leaked down. It pumped right up on starting though and held pretty well at shutoff. Don't know if he ever addressed that but I suspect he knows a fair amount about the system. I encountered him fairly recently - over at Rusty's forum, iirc; you might try there. His ride was #44 on the list at: http://www.heckflosse.nl/photo.htm#87200 -j ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
Yes, its a euro car, it has the euro IP and the euro metal injection lines. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! You know, you're right! It's hard to tell from pic but doesn't look like '85 turbo HVAC. My guess is that it's a non-turbo Euro car. The ADA/ALDA on the injector pump looks suspiciously free of piping, which the turbo would have. I don't think you could get the manual HVAC here on anything but the base 240D. And Frankenjobs are remarkably rare. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: [Banned] The Maine Truth
Just FYI for those following this story. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Regina M. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: [Banned] The Maine Truth Okay, I am back as you all know. Here is the truth: Jeremy (my brother-in-law)has admitted to pulling the trigger and killing my sister. He says it was an accident. His story has changed 2 times and neither match what the Crime Scene Investigators found. The story that the police told my does not match what is actually at the crime scene. It is impossible that she was shot and killed in the bedroom. There was a small pool of blood in the bedroom. There was blood on the stairs going down. Then downstairs in the tower was a large pool of blood and brain matter along with blood splatter halfway up the wall. My idea: He shot her 2 middle fingers on the right hand off upstairs. She ran downstairs screaming and he followed her. She got the the bottom of the tower and he shot her in the right side of the head and the bullet came out the left side. She died there. He and a friend then loaded her up on the ATV and drove up the trail to the Car. They loaded her up and drove down the road. He says they were taking her to my Dad's for help then they decided she was too far gone. They then drove back down and pulled her out of the car to do CPR. Someone named Roselyn called 911 while this was going on. I think he was going to dump her body. The coroner says that CPR would have never been needed as she was dead very quickly after the fatal shot. The asshole has his 1st court date on March 14th. The 21/2 year old and 6 year old were there at the time and were not asleep. They saw the crime take place. I had to look at him and jail and get him to sign gaurdianship papers over to me because he still has the right to make the decision for the kids. Isn't that some shit? Good thing it was a no contact visit. There were over 50 guns, AK47 and assult riffles in the house. I can not even count how many knives, daggers, and machedes were in that house. There was also more liquor bottles then in a liquor store. It was sad. No power, no plumbing. The kids were stunned to discover they could poop in the house. My sister was sleeping with someone else but that was the way her and Jeremy lived so that is not why he killed her. He had told several people for months that he could kill her and get away with it because he was on a state check for mental disease. My sister told people for months that he was going to kill her but she was too drugged, drunk, and stupid to leave. He kept her that way on purpose. This guy is REAL SMART and calculating. The older 2 have never been in school and none of them have had shots. I am discusted with the State of Maine for allowing this. They were called numerous times and never took the kids. The kids have nothing. They came home with a dufflebag and that is it. Their stuff was filty, nasty and lice ridden. I was not about to take anything. Anyway, sorry for the length of this e-mail. Thank you all for your prayers and help. We GREATLY appreciate it!! I noticed somewhere that someone wanted sizes of the kids so here they are: Judah-2 1/2 year old boy--Size 3T, 9 shoe Sequoia-6 year old girl---Size 6, 11 shoe Sensi9 year old girl---Size 8, 2 shoe They have no toys or anything. Thanks again, Regina ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Indian Jaguar
NEW DELHI: The luxury brand Jaguar is poised to join an Indian auto company that makes everything from tractor-trailers to the world's least expensive car. Tata Motors is the front-runner in the race to buy Ford Motor's Jaguar, as well as Land Rover, and a decision about a winning bidder could be made over the next few days, people close to the negotiations said..snip Tata Motors has been the front-runner in a three-way race to buy out Jaguar and Land Rover since trade unions backed Tata's bid in November. The Indian auto company Mahindra Mahindra is also vying for Jaguar and Land Rover, as is a private equity group, One Equity Partners.snip About the same time that a final deal may be announced, Tata Motors plans to roll out its People's Car, with a price tag of about $2,500. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/business/ford.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: [Banned] The Maine Truth
There is not a lot that upsets me but I am crying as I sit here. I am thinking about Christmas for our family, and what to get everyone, and I read this and it just makes me so sad and angry. Those kids have now what they need and that is some good people to take care of them. It will be a big responsibility and very difficult for you, but you have saved 3 lives and there is nothing better than that. Out of tragedy can come goodness. I am guessing that in OK it would be similar to TX, and that guy would have a lot more to worry about than what the court will do to him. In Maine, who knows. Too bad y'all could not have gotten there sooner. --R Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Just FYI for those following this story. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Regina M. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: [Banned] The Maine Truth Okay, I am back as you all know. Here is the truth: Jeremy (my brother-in-law)has admitted to pulling the trigger and killing my sister. He says it was an accident. His story has changed 2 times and neither match what the Crime Scene Investigators found. The story that the police told my does not match what is actually at the crime scene. It is impossible that she was shot and killed in the bedroom. There was a small pool of blood in the bedroom. There was blood on the stairs going down. Then downstairs in the tower was a large pool of blood and brain matter along with blood splatter halfway up the wall. My idea: He shot her 2 middle fingers on the right hand off upstairs. She ran downstairs screaming and he followed her. She got the the bottom of the tower and he shot her in the right side of the head and the bullet came out the left side. She died there. He and a friend then loaded her up on the ATV and drove up the trail to the Car. They loaded her up and drove down the road. He says they were taking her to my Dad's for help then they decided she was too far gone. They then drove back down and pulled her out of the car to do CPR. Someone named Roselyn called 911 while this was going on. I think he was going to dump her body. The coroner says that CPR would have never been needed as she was dead very quickly after the fatal shot. The asshole has his 1st court date on March 14th. The 21/2 year old and 6 year old were there at the time and were not asleep. They saw the crime take place. I had to look at him and jail and get him to sign gaurdianship papers over to me because he still has the right to make the decision for the kids. Isn't that some shit? Good thing it was a no contact visit. There were over 50 guns, AK47 and assult riffles in the house. I can not even count how many knives, daggers, and machedes were in that house. There was also more liquor bottles then in a liquor store. It was sad. No power, no plumbing. The kids were stunned to discover they could poop in the house. My sister was sleeping with someone else but that was the way her and Jeremy lived so that is not why he killed her. He had told several people for months that he could kill her and get away with it because he was on a state check for mental disease. My sister told people for months that he was going to kill her but she was too drugged, drunk, and stupid to leave. He kept her that way on purpose. This guy is REAL SMART and calculating. The older 2 have never been in school and none of them have had shots. I am discusted with the State of Maine for allowing this. They were called numerous times and never took the kids. The kids have nothing. They came home with a dufflebag and that is it. Their stuff was filty, nasty and lice ridden. I was not about to take anything. Anyway, sorry for the length of this e-mail. Thank you all for your prayers and help. We GREATLY appreciate it!! I noticed somewhere that someone wanted sizes of the kids so here they are: Judah-2 1/2 year old boy--Size 3T, 9 shoe Sequoia-6 year old girl---Size 6, 11 shoe Sensi9 year old girl---Size 8, 2 shoe They have no toys or anything. Thanks again, Regina ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
I think Tata is a huge conglomerate that owns about half of India. Allan archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW DELHI: The luxury brand Jaguar is poised to join an Indian auto company that makes everything from tractor-trailers to the world's least expensive car. Tata Motors is the front-runner in the race to buy Ford Motor's Jaguar, as well as Land Rover, and a decision about a winning bidder could be made over the next few days, people close to the negotiations said..snip Tata Motors has been the front-runner in a three-way race to buy out Jaguar and Land Rover since trade unions backed Tata's bid in November. The Indian auto company Mahindra Mahindra is also vying for Jaguar and Land Rover, as is a private equity group, One Equity Partners.snip About the same time that a final deal may be announced, Tata Motors plans to roll out its People's Car, with a price tag of about $2,500. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/business/ford.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
I like huge Tata's, I think it is good for a country to have such things. --R Allan Streib wrote: I think Tata is a huge conglomerate that owns about half of India. Allan archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW DELHI: The luxury brand Jaguar is poised to join an Indian auto company that makes everything from tractor-trailers to the world's least expensive car. Tata Motors is the front-runner in the race to buy Ford Motor's Jaguar, as well as Land Rover, and a decision about a winning bidder could be made over the next few days, people close to the negotiations said..snip Tata Motors has been the front-runner in a three-way race to buy out Jaguar and Land Rover since trade unions backed Tata's bid in November. The Indian auto company Mahindra Mahindra is also vying for Jaguar and Land Rover, as is a private equity group, One Equity Partners.snip About the same time that a final deal may be announced, Tata Motors plans to roll out its People's Car, with a price tag of about $2,500. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/business/ford.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
Har dee har har... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar I like huge Tata's, I think it is good for a country to have such things. --R Allan Streib wrote: I think Tata is a huge conglomerate that owns about half of India. Allan archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW DELHI: The luxury brand Jaguar is poised to join an Indian auto company that makes everything from tractor-trailers to the world's least expensive car. Tata Motors is the front-runner in the race to buy Ford Motor's Jaguar, as well as Land Rover, and a decision about a winning bidder could be made over the next few days, people close to the negotiations said..snip Tata Motors has been the front-runner in a three-way race to buy out Jaguar and Land Rover since trade unions backed Tata's bid in November. The Indian auto company Mahindra Mahindra is also vying for Jaguar and Land Rover, as is a private equity group, One Equity Partners.snip About the same time that a final deal may be announced, Tata Motors plans to roll out its People's Car, with a price tag of about $2,500. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/business/ford.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
having used Tata vehicles, the quality will be a step up. On Dec 18, 2007 12:05 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Tata is a huge conglomerate that owns about half of India. Allan archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW DELHI: The luxury brand Jaguar is poised to join an Indian auto company that makes everything from tractor-trailers to the world's least expensive car. Tata Motors is the front-runner in the race to buy Ford Motor's Jaguar, as well as Land Rover, and a decision about a winning bidder could be made over the next few days, people close to the negotiations said..snip Tata Motors has been the front-runner in a three-way race to buy out Jaguar and Land Rover since trade unions backed Tata's bid in November. The Indian auto company Mahindra Mahindra is also vying for Jaguar and Land Rover, as is a private equity group, One Equity Partners.snip About the same time that a final deal may be announced, Tata Motors plans to roll out its People's Car, with a price tag of about $2,500. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/business/ford.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
And 190D... Yeah its my day to be that guy. -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:24:38 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Timothy Robinson wrote: Am I right that '84 offered a turbo and non-turbo but in '85 was only the turbo? MBUSA had only turbos from 82-85, except for the 240D. I don't think a turbo was ever available in the 123 chassis except for North America and maybe Japan. I'll add my vote to the euro car, no turbo guess. If the euros have manual tranny, they can be quite desireable. I'm not sure if trading the turbo for manual HVAC and possibly manual windows/sunroof is a good deal. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
that would be nice. I'll report once I dig into it. Was going to do it last night, but I just bought a bunch a new tools and I decided to put iron bars up on the inside of my garage windows...already have them all over the house. Midtown KC is...spotty. The German Shepherds help. Think I'm going to put a switch in the house to cut power to the garage so that the automatic doors stay put when I want them to stay put. Maybe overkill - someone would have to be crazy to try to get past the Shepherds...esp. Sammy - 100 lbs. of serious intimidation. Chris Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: So to restate, on is actually not off, but partially on...start is more on, but not start. Might be something bent inside the switch, but it's sounding like you might get away with tightening those three screws. (or tightening one, and finding replacements for two that already fell out) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Growling When Turning Left
So.today I noticed a growling when turning left at slow (parking lot) speeds. Doesn't do it turning right. Level in PS res is SAT. Does this mean anything? Next time I feel like getting underneath the car I'm going to drain the PS system including the steering box, replace all hoses and give 'er some fresh M1 ATF.maybe that will fix the growling. Bob R. '77 300D 188K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water injection for about 2 min on takeoff for significant increase in thrust. KC-135's now have been retrofitted with much newer, much more powerful, airline surplus, turbofan engines - don't think they use water injection any more. B-52H's (only ones still in service) have always had TF-33 turbofan engines and have never used water injection. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Growling When Turning Left
Could be a wheel bearing on its way out. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So.today I noticed a growling when turning left at slow (parking lot) speeds. Doesn't do it turning right. Level in PS res is SAT. Does this mean anything? Next time I feel like getting underneath the car I'm going to drain the PS system including the steering box, replace all hoses and give 'er some fresh M1 ATF.maybe that will fix the growling. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
A step up for Tata? Or Jaguar? Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: having used Tata vehicles, the quality will be a step up. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
for shaguar, of course. On Dec 18, 2007 1:35 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A step up for Tata? Or Jaguar? Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: having used Tata vehicles, the quality will be a step up. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Growling When Turning Left
On Dec 18, 2007 10:21 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So.today I noticed a growling when turning left at slow (parking lot) speeds. Doesn't do it turning right. Level in PS res is SAT. Does this mean anything? Next time I feel like getting underneath the car I'm going to drain the PS system including the steering box, replace all hoses and give 'er some fresh M1 ATF.maybe that will fix the growling. I've had a PS fluid flush and refill fix strange steering symptoms more than once. That could be all you need. Don't forget the filter, it's easy to do so since it's submerged in the fluid inside the reservoir. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
So Tata vehicles are OK? How come we don't see 'em in the states? Allan Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for shaguar, of course. On Dec 18, 2007 1:35 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A step up for Tata? Or Jaguar? Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: having used Tata vehicles, the quality will be a step up. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
it's not so much that Tata vehicles are so great (they do OK, esp on Indian roads), it's that Jag is that bad. On Dec 18, 2007 2:01 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Tata vehicles are OK? How come we don't see 'em in the states? Allan Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for shaguar, of course. On Dec 18, 2007 1:35 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A step up for Tata? Or Jaguar? Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: having used Tata vehicles, the quality will be a step up. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
Probably has something to do with our emission and safety standards? Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/18/07 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar So Tata vehicles are OK? How come we don't see 'em in the states? Allan Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for shaguar, of course. On Dec 18, 2007 1:35 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A step up for Tata? Or Jaguar? Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: having used Tata vehicles, the quality will be a step up. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starting craziness...
Christopher McCann wrote: Think I'm going to put a switch in the house to cut power to the garage so that the automatic doors stay put when I want them to stay put. Maybe overkill - someone would have to be crazy to try to get past the Shepherds...esp. Sammy - 100 lbs. of serious intimidation. Would probably be easier to just add a standard wall switch for the garage opener. Switching the whole garage might require a pretty beefy switch (AKA breaker). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question
How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral - for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod? That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake. I was looking at it last summer and thinking that there should be either a 3rd wire from the house or a ground rod down at the pumphouse attached to the panel. The system out there is old and there are 2 copper wires that go out of the gable on the house to a series of 3 poles down the hill to the pumphouse where there is a small panel with fuses. I went so far as to buy the ground rod and haul it out there last summer but never got to install it. The alternative might be to switch the wire to triplex and tie the bare wire to ground at the house and use the 2 covered wires as the hot and neutral. Don't really need 240V at the pumphouse although I suppose the pump motor could be set to run on either voltage. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question If the feeder to the panel is four wire and the neutral and ground separate, that panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-panel. There should be no ground rod. If the feeder to the outbuilding is a three wire, legs A B (on a 240V two phase) and a neutral, the panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-service and there should be a driven ground. From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:32 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question So, if I have an outbuilding, wired into my main panel in my house, that outbuilding should not have a ground rod on *its* panel, but I should instead extend a ground from my house to the outbuilding? Allan Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems than at Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0600, R wrote: Should the generator itself be grounded? I can't help thinking that there should be a connection from the generator frame to a good ground. I have considered driving a ground rod in and either keeping a ground wire on it all of the time or setting up something that would permit a quick ground connection at either end. Yes. Or no. There should be one and only one place were ground and neutral are bonded together. This is usually done at the first load center (circuit breaker panel). This is also the usual place for the wire from the ground rod to also be bonded to the panel ground. If you are connecting a generator through this breaker panel, don't add another ground rod. If, however, you are running extension cords from the generator to each of the appliances, then it would be a really good idea to bond the generator neutral to generator ground and a ground rod. The reason is that earth is not a very good conductor, thus if there is a lightning strike there will be a voltage difference (possibly thousands of volts) between the ground rods. And and that difference will cause current flow in your wires. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Growling When Turning Left
Alex Chamberlain wrote: I've had a PS fluid flush and refill fix strange steering symptoms more than once. That could be all you need. Don't forget the filter, it's easy to do so since it's submerged in the fluid inside the reservoir. Sometime in the first 300,000 miles of its existence, somebody managed to remove the filter from my 300SD and not replace it. If you take out a filter, don't you think it would be a good idea to put in a new one, or at least put the old one back in??? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
Sunil Hari wrote: it's not so much that Tata vehicles are so great (they do OK, esp on Indian roads), it's that Jag is that bad. If Tatra were to take over Jag, which would be considered the inferior brand? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar
I toured the Tata steel plant and the Tata truck factory next to it in Jameshedpur about 15 years ago. I am more knowledgable on their social activities from the time, and that was impressive. Back then it was a very good company; sounds like it still is. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/18/07 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Indian Jaguar having used Tata vehicles, the quality will be a step up. On Dec 18, 2007 12:05 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Tata is a huge conglomerate that owns about half of India. Allan archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW DELHI: The luxury brand Jaguar is poised to join an Indian auto company that makes everything from tractor-trailers to the world's least expensive car. Tata Motors is the front-runner in the race to buy Ford Motor's Jaguar, as well as Land Rover, and a decision about a winning bidder could be made over the next few days, people close to the negotiations said..snip Tata Motors has been the front-runner in a three-way race to buy out Jaguar and Land Rover since trade unions backed Tata's bid in November. The Indian auto company Mahindra Mahindra is also vying for Jaguar and Land Rover, as is a private equity group, One Equity Partners.snip About the same time that a final deal may be announced, Tata Motors plans to roll out its People's Car, with a price tag of about $2,500. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/business/ford.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT, Suburban
I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I figure not much but some guy just put one in a 98 for $2500. That seems dirt cheap to me. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
I remember dad pointing that out when I was a kid, the water injection on take-off. It led to my experimentation of igniting diesel or kero and spraying a little water on the fire. (early pyromanic?) For some reason I made a young connection that THAT was the reason water in fuel was a bad thing. From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:29:54 -0500 To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water injection for about 2 min on takeoff for significant increase in thrust. KC-135's now have been retrofitted with much newer, much more powerful, airline surplus, turbofan engines - don't think they use water injection any more. B-52H's (only ones still in service) have always had TF-33 turbofan engines and have never used water injection. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Diesel price in Hawaii... $3.799 Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ, but spending the holidays in Hawaii. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
On Dec 18, 2007 12:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I figure not much but some guy just put one in a 98 for $2500. That seems dirt cheap to me. On the subject---Kaleb, what kind of mileage do you get from your diesel Suburban? I'm thinking about getting one of the late '90s ones with the 6.5 liter turbo. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cuttting power to garage (was starting craziness)
There is a breaker going to the garage already...in the basement, which is not too convenient. ...a switch just for the garage openernot a bad idea. Then I would still have power for plugging in the SDI could simply wrap the wires around the romex strand that is strung to the garage (previous owner did that) and put the switch conveniently on the first floor. good idea! Chris John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Think I'm going to put a switch in the house to cut power to the garage so that the automatic doors stay put when I want them to stay put. Maybe overkill - someone would have to be crazy to try to get past the Shepherds...esp. Sammy - 100 lbs. of serious intimidation. Would probably be easier to just add a standard wall switch for the garage opener. Switching the whole garage might require a pretty beefy switch (AKA breaker). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
geez --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices Diesel price in Hawaii... $3.799 Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ, but spending the holidays in Hawaii. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
I dont have one, never have had a 6.5 suburban but from what I hear it should get 17-21 or so. I am looking for a 6.5, but they are hard to find and when you do they have tons of miles on them and they want too much for them. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban On Dec 18, 2007 12:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I figure not much but some guy just put one in a 98 for $2500. That seems dirt cheap to me. On the subject---Kaleb, what kind of mileage do you get from your diesel Suburban? I'm thinking about getting one of the late '90s ones with the 6.5 liter turbo. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question
Seems at that distance you get quite a bit of voltage drop under load @120V. Does the motor on the pump ever feel like it's running hot? Anyway, I would think 3rd wire for ground. My idea on grounding equipment is not so much consideration of lightening but just the fact that in case of a fault, a short, etc. the ground (grounding conductor not the neutral groundED conductor) is necessary to enable the circuit overcurrent protection (fuse/breaker) to trip. I've encountered equipment which was not grounded which had voltage on the frame though the breaker hadn't tripped. I'd hate to think you'd touck the pump motor someday and the path of lease resistance to ground was through you. From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:56:02 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral - for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod? That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake. I was looking at it last summer and thinking that there should be either a 3rd wire from the house or a ground rod down at the pumphouse attached to the panel. The system out there is old and there are 2 copper wires that go out of the gable on the house to a series of 3 poles down the hill to the pumphouse where there is a small panel with fuses. I went so far as to buy the ground rod and haul it out there last summer but never got to install it. The alternative might be to switch the wire to triplex and tie the bare wire to ground at the house and use the 2 covered wires as the hot and neutral. Don't really need 240V at the pumphouse although I suppose the pump motor could be set to run on either voltage. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question If the feeder to the panel is four wire and the neutral and ground separate, that panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-panel. There should be no ground rod. If the feeder to the outbuilding is a three wire, legs A B (on a 240V two phase) and a neutral, the panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-service and there should be a driven ground. From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:32 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question So, if I have an outbuilding, wired into my main panel in my house, that outbuilding should not have a ground rod on *its* panel, but I should instead extend a ground from my house to the outbuilding? Allan Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems than at Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0600, R wrote: Should the generator itself be grounded? I can't help thinking that there should be a connection from the generator frame to a good ground. I have considered driving a ground rod in and either keeping a ground wire on it all of the time or setting up something that would permit a quick ground connection at either end. Yes. Or no. There should be one and only one place were ground and neutral are bonded together. This is usually done at the first load center (circuit breaker panel). This is also the usual place for the wire from the ground rod to also be bonded to the panel ground. If you are connecting a generator through this breaker panel, don't add another ground rod. If, however, you are running extension cords from the generator to each of the appliances, then it would be a really good idea to bond the generator neutral to generator ground and a ground rod. The reason is that earth is not a very good conductor, thus if there is a lightning strike there will be a voltage difference (possibly thousands of volts) between the ground rods. And and that difference will cause current flow in your wires. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options
Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Chuck Landenberger wrote: Diesel price in Hawaii... $3.799 Diesel 3.49 here, kero 3.90. http://www.speedway.com/FindUs/StoreLocator/GasPriceSearch.aspx?ZipCode=48813 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: I dont have one, never have had a 6.5 suburban but from what I hear it should get 17-21 or so. I am looking for a 6.5, but they are hard to find and when you do they have tons of miles on them and they want too much for them. How about this one? I modded the engine, now the engine needs work, please give me $6k for it http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CM2420134 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question
OH... here's a similar situation. A friend renovated an old loft space and added an old porcelain cast iron sink and an older electric range. He was going for a 20' Deco look and chose the old appliances. The circuit for the range was two wire 240V. Originally the wiring in the building was in EMC (metal conduit) which served as a ground however he used a section of PVC (non-metallic) to move that range circuit. The range worked fine. All 240V elements and oven heated. The problem was the old range had a clock which was 120V and required a neutral. In those days (code differs now) it was customary that a range or dryer circuit was three wire with the third, neutral serving as the ground. Whenever Phil would touch the adjointing sink (copper supply lines) and touch the range or even touch a cast iron pot on the range he would receive a shock. In effect his body was serving to complete the circuit for the clock. From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:56:02 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral - for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod? That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake. I was looking at it last summer and thinking that there should be either a 3rd wire from the house or a ground rod down at the pumphouse attached to the panel. The system out there is old and there are 2 copper wires that go out of the gable on the house to a series of 3 poles down the hill to the pumphouse where there is a small panel with fuses. I went so far as to buy the ground rod and haul it out there last summer but never got to install it. The alternative might be to switch the wire to triplex and tie the bare wire to ground at the house and use the 2 covered wires as the hot and neutral. Don't really need 240V at the pumphouse although I suppose the pump motor could be set to run on either voltage. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question If the feeder to the panel is four wire and the neutral and ground separate, that panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-panel. There should be no ground rod. If the feeder to the outbuilding is a three wire, legs A B (on a 240V two phase) and a neutral, the panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-service and there should be a driven ground. From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:32 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question So, if I have an outbuilding, wired into my main panel in my house, that outbuilding should not have a ground rod on *its* panel, but I should instead extend a ground from my house to the outbuilding? Allan Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems than at Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0600, R wrote: Should the generator itself be grounded? I can't help thinking that there should be a connection from the generator frame to a good ground. I have considered driving a ground rod in and either keeping a ground wire on it all of the time or setting up something that would permit a quick ground connection at either end. Yes. Or no. There should be one and only one place were ground and neutral are bonded together. This is usually done at the first load center (circuit breaker panel). This is also the usual place for the wire from the ground rod to also be bonded to the panel ground. If you are connecting a generator through this breaker panel, don't add another ground rod. If, however, you are running extension cords from the generator to each of the appliances, then it would be a really good idea to bond the generator neutral to generator ground and a ground rod. The reason is that earth is not a very good conductor, thus if there is a lightning strike there will be a voltage difference (possibly thousands of volts) between the ground rods. And and that difference will cause current flow in your wires. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
geez, see what I mean. Its really not worth the few mpg different to spend the extra to find a diesel one. They almost always have well over 200k (at least what I have seen lately) and want alot for them. the gassers can be cheap if you look. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: I dont have one, never have had a 6.5 suburban but from what I hear it should get 17-21 or so. I am looking for a 6.5, but they are hard to find and when you do they have tons of miles on them and they want too much for them. How about this one? I modded the engine, now the engine needs work, please give me $6k for it http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CM2420134 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
I thought a 190D would be perfect for a long commute to work. Curt has his 190D because it gets good MPG on his 110 mile round trip commutes to work, wonderful use of the diesel's good qualities. It won't be able to handle commuting because it's trashed! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
On the other hand -- High 78, low 66. Allan Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chuck Landenberger wrote: Diesel price in Hawaii... $3.799 Diesel 3.49 here, kero 3.90. http://www.speedway.com/FindUs/StoreLocator/GasPriceSearch.aspx?ZipCode=48813 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] take a look at this junker '85 190D!
You sure make it sound like a better car! Once the new t-stat is installed, and operating temp goes up, it should run better and quieter. Not only that, it will burn all of the carbon out and it'll get better MPG. A Diesel Purge will help quite a bit too. Hopefully, the engine hasn't suffered too much wear to be relatively reliable again. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula who warms up within a couple miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I figure not much but some guy just put one in a 98 for $2500. That seems dirt cheap to me. The cheapest '97 I could find here, after I found that $6k '97 diesel project, was $4900. There's a '97 7.4 for $6500. I'd say that $2500 7.4 is either in sad shape or a bargain. Maybe the kids could teach you how to build a still and you could run it on alcohol. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
I will call the guy and find out I guess. Just not sure I want a 7.4 though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I figure not much but some guy just put one in a 98 for $2500. That seems dirt cheap to me. The cheapest '97 I could find here, after I found that $6k '97 diesel project, was $4900. There's a '97 7.4 for $6500. I'd say that $2500 7.4 is either in sad shape or a bargain. Maybe the kids could teach you how to build a still and you could run it on alcohol. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chinese ATVs
Allen - I bought a 50cc Chinese scooter a couple of years ago [nearly got my wife killed, but that is another story]. It was ok for the most part, but the fuel line had a real tendency to fail [every 150 miles or so]. I got rid of it after the wreck [@ 500 miles], but it did seem to need a lot of attention when not run regularly, and also when it was. Good luck. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/17/07 12:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Chinese ATVs Looking at a chinese ATV for kid's use. 50CC two stroke. Looks fairly well put together, good welds everywhere I can see etc. Less than HALF the price of an equivalent Yamaha or Suzuki. Since he'll outgrow it in a a coupla years anyway, seems like a good choice. Anyone have any first-hand experience with them? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I have some experience with those. We had one at the dealership I worked at. We used it to pull a boat. It will get 9-10 mpg (on the highway) loaded or not. It will pull like a freight train. When we pulled the boat it would 9 mpg. If we took it on long trips, it would get 10-11 mpg. It was a beast. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
Yea, but I bet it pulled like crazy though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I have some experience with those. We had one at the dealership I worked at. We used it to pull a boat. It will get 9-10 mpg (on the highway) loaded or not. It will pull like a freight train. When we pulled the boat it would 9 mpg. If we took it on long trips, it would get 10-11 mpg. It was a beast. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Growling When Turning Left
On Dec 18, 2007 11:56 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: I've had a PS fluid flush and refill fix strange steering symptoms more than once. That could be all you need. Don't forget the filter, it's easy to do so since it's submerged in the fluid inside the reservoir. Sometime in the first 300,000 miles of its existence, somebody managed to remove the filter from my 300SD and not replace it. If you take out a filter, don't you think it would be a good idea to put in a new one, or at least put the old one back in??? Look on the bright side... they could have done that with the oil filter instead. ;) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Having to Slam Door
I remember a post some time ago where someone had this problem. It ended up being a plastic piece in the latching mechanism that was cracked/broken. i'm not sure if this would be your problem since it only occurs when it's cold outside. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tata/tatra
If Tatra were to take over Jag, which would be considered the inferior brand? Be careful, Tata and Tatra are two different companies. If Jaguar production should be moved out of the UK, I can see US sales, at least, disappearing. Present day Jags, although now fairly reliable, are still behind their competition in design and technology and are really just status cars, seems to me. My guess is that Jag enthusiasts with their flat caps, pipes and elbow patch tweed jackets would go crazy. After all, how many US computer buyers (or anything else) are happy about their tech support questions being not-answered by someone in Mumbai named Kevin? I do know that moving W204 US market production to South Africa has caused a bit of a stir and might be a bit discouraging for those who like to take factory delivery. RLE ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question
Interesting. I have a similar sensation if not scenario. I have never received a shock from the pump but have noted a minimal shock sensation from the boat if I use the battery charger on the boat battery with the cord plugged into the pump house. Not sure if the issue is the pumphouse. Might just be the aluminum boat sitting in the water. Can't recall if the batttery was connected to the boat or if it was disconnected. It was probably connected and as such grounded in some manner such that the battery charger is electrifying the boat itself. Doesn't hurt but is a bit of an odd sensation and one wonders if it is a safe thing to do. In terms of the pumphouse line - it is probably 150 feet or so from the pumphouse to the house and the copper line is solid rather than stranded and quite heavy. I would say more than #10 so probably #8. It has been like that for almost 50 years. So far so good but I still wonder about more grounding. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question OH... here's a similar situation. A friend renovated an old loft space and added an old porcelain cast iron sink and an older electric range. He was going for a 20' Deco look and chose the old appliances. The circuit for the range was two wire 240V. Originally the wiring in the building was in EMC (metal conduit) which served as a ground however he used a section of PVC (non-metallic) to move that range circuit. The range worked fine. All 240V elements and oven heated. The problem was the old range had a clock which was 120V and required a neutral. In those days (code differs now) it was customary that a range or dryer circuit was three wire with the third, neutral serving as the ground. Whenever Phil would touch the adjointing sink (copper supply lines) and touch the range or even touch a cast iron pot on the range he would receive a shock. In effect his body was serving to complete the circuit for the clock. From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:56:02 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral - for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod? That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake. I was looking at it last summer and thinking that there should be either a 3rd wire from the house or a ground rod down at the pumphouse attached to the panel. The system out there is old and there are 2 copper wires that go out of the gable on the house to a series of 3 poles down the hill to the pumphouse where there is a small panel with fuses. I went so far as to buy the ground rod and haul it out there last summer but never got to install it. The alternative might be to switch the wire to triplex and tie the bare wire to ground at the house and use the 2 covered wires as the hot and neutral. Don't really need 240V at the pumphouse although I suppose the pump motor could be set to run on either voltage. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question If the feeder to the panel is four wire and the neutral and ground separate, that panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-panel. There should be no ground rod. If the feeder to the outbuilding is a three wire, legs A B (on a 240V two phase) and a neutral, the panel in the outbuilding is considered a sub-service and there should be a driven ground. From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:32 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question So, if I have an outbuilding, wired into my main panel in my house, that outbuilding should not have a ground rod on *its* panel, but I should instead extend a ground from my house to the outbuilding? Allan Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems than at Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0600, R wrote: Should the generator itself be grounded? I can't help thinking that there should be a connection from the generator frame to a good ground. I have considered driving a ground rod in and either keeping a ground wire on it all of the time or setting up something that would permit a quick ground connection at either end. Yes. Or no. There should be one and only one place were ground and neutral are bonded together. This is usually done at the first load center (circuit breaker panel). This is also the usual place for the wire from the ground rod to also be bonded to the panel ground. If
Re: [MBZ] Growling When Turning Left
I have had similar symptoms caused by low PS fluid. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 13:22 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Growling When Turning Left So.today I noticed a growling when turning left at slow (parking lot) speeds. Doesn't do it turning right. Level in PS res is SAT. Does this mean anything? Next time I feel like getting underneath the car I'm going to drain the PS system including the steering box, replace all hoses and give 'er some fresh M1 ATF.maybe that will fix the growling. Bob R. '77 300D 188K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban
A friend has a 96 or 97, can't remember. It hauls large amounts of ass, and has gobs of power. He tows a race car in an enclosed trailer with it, and has no real complaints with it. Then again, it replaced an early suburban with a carbed 454 and TH400. I don't think he's broken double digits with it yet, and really only uses it for trips - he never drives it around town. And his isn't 4x4 either. $2500 is dirt cheap, it should be over twice that. There's something major wrong with it, it has a bazillion miles on it, or the interior's shot. On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 02:29:21PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: I have had a 5.7 4x4 suburban, what kind of mileage would a 7.4 4x4 get? I figure not much but some guy just put one in a 98 for $2500. That seems dirt cheap to me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
The main effect of water injection was to cool the air in the compressor section creating a denser (more O 2) gas, like the turbo in Diesels. These J-57s were incredibly noisy while wet especially in the back. When the water ran out, the decrease in thrust and noise was very apparent. vsr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 13:30 To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water injection for about 2 min on takeoff for significant increase in thrust. KC-135's now have been retrofitted with much newer, much more powerful, airline surplus, turbofan engines - don't think they use water injection any more. B-52H's (only ones still in service) have always had TF-33 turbofan engines and have never used water injection. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
