Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T
Thanks Dieselhead and Don! I changed the bearings, Shock and all related parts about 80K miles ago. It (the bearing assy.) was pretty badly aligned when I first checked it after buying the car and when it came out it was obvious there would not be much time left for it. I also replaced the Vac Pump a 130K to be safe. I check the bearing alignment by seeing if it is still aligned properly - so far it looks pretty good, but I will check the bearings for looseness as you suggested. I assume I can see how easy it is to move the shock also. For not I will probably disconnect the upper rad hose so the shroud will move a little more freely, then release the shroud for the extra space as you suggested - hopefully I will get more than 80K from the bearings and they can wait until later. Thanks for the great info - hopefully things will come back to me as I dig into it. LarryT 91 300D 2.5T Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 11:29:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T Yes, pull the shroud clips and pick it up to free the bottom tabs. Then you can move it around to aid threading the belt over the fan and around the pulleys. If you have not done so recently, I'd also recommend checking the bearings on the idler arm first. Then if you need to change it too, you may as well do the belt then, because you will need the fan and shroud out then. If the bearings are bad you can feel it by taking loose the spring and shock and moving the idler arm up and down by hand. x You can thread the belt around the fan blades, between the bald tips and shroud. It takes a few minutes to figure out where, but it wasn't that hard. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Howdy - Thx again for all the help in my problem with my sluggish 300D - I wish I'd ch anged the main fuel filter 1st! Anyway - about the subject -my current Belt has about 80,000 miles on it and is showing lateral cracks across the ribbing. I rec'd a new one from Rusty last week and need to start planning the job. I read the MB WSM procedure and was wondering if I need to remove the fan shroud (or lay it back out of the way as much as possible) and removing the fan assy? I had all that stuff out last time because of the other things I was doing but don't need to remove all that stuff this time. What should I do? TIA LarryT 91 300D -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 11:29:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T Yes, pull the shroud clips and pick it up to free the bottom tabs. Then you can move it around to aid threading the belt over the fan and around the pulleys. If you have not done so recently, I'd also recommend checking the bearings on the idler arm first. Then if you need to change it too, you may as well do the belt then, because you will need the fan and shroud out then. If the bearings are bad you can feel it by taking loose the spring and shock and moving the idler arm up and down by hand. x You can thread the belt around the fan blades, between the bald tips and shroud. It takes a few minutes to figure out where, but it wasn't that hard. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Howdy - Thx again for all the help in my problem with my sluggish 300D - I wish I'd ch anged the main fuel filter 1st! Anyway - about the subject -my current Belt has about 80,000 miles on it and is showing lateral cracks across the ribbing. I rec'd a new one from Rusty last week and need to start planning the job. I read the MB WSM procedure and was wondering if I need to remove the fan shroud (or lay it back out of the way as much as possible) and removing the fan assy?
[MBZ] Safety first, safety last, safety always
From: tomsc...@hotmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Safety first, safety last, safety always Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:41:34 -0400 Hi Mitch, Sorry about that. I see Alex has already posted a link but here it is anyway. I tried to respond earlier from my new iPad2 but I haven't quite gotten that down yet, apparently. message too large. Oops. Not sure exactly what I did. I am still used to using PCs. :) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014619708_apwacarrepairfatality.html?syndication=rss Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and all those BMWs Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 08:09:09 -0400 From: toms cat1 tomsc...@hotmail.com To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Safety first, safety last, safety always Message-ID: bay151-w4693d8f16743e911b55b088d...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...rfatality.html March 27, 2011 Bremerton WA. Post this everywhere. This poor guy evidently didn't get the message, and now he never will. Sad. Stay safe, fellas. It has happened again. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and all those BMWs -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:18:03 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Safety first, safety last, safety always Message-ID: 4d99b6fb.3010...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey Tom, you pasted an abbreviated link. Care to go back there and grab the full link from the address window? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T
I was thinking you had already replaced the bearing, but couldn't remember for sure. if it is worn, it will feel jumpy when you move it full range. If it moves smoothly, it is good. When I recently changed the WP and VP on my 300D, I found mine is jumpy but the alignment is good. I was wishing I had a new idler, since I already had the radiator out. So, I will keep an eye on it. It may well last for years, but the bearing is already no good. The bearing sits in one place and the arm only moves a degree or two up and down. So the rollers wear grooves in the races. Then when you move the idler arm full range it feels like a washboard. If your has 80 K, it is likely still good. Thanks Dieselhead and Don! I changed the bearings, Shock and all related parts about 80K miles ago. It (the bearing assy.) was pretty badly aligned when I first checked it after buying the car and when it came out it was obvious there would not be much time left for it. I also replaced the Vac Pump a 130K to be safe. I check the bearing alignment by seeing if it is still aligned properly - so far it looks pretty good, but I will check the bearings for looseness as you suggested. I assume I can see how easy it is to move the shock also. For not I will probably disconnect the upper rad hose so the shroud will move a little more freely, then release the shroud for the extra space as you suggested - hopefully I will get more than 80K from the bearings and they can wait until later. Thanks for the great info - hopefully things will come back to me as I dig into it. LarryT 91 300D 2.5T Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 11:29:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T Yes, pull the shroud clips and pick it up to free the bottom tabs. Then you can move it around to aid threading the belt over the fan and around the pulleys. If you have not done so recently, I'd also recommend checking the bearings on the idler arm first. Then if you need to change it too, you may as well do the belt then, because you will need the fan and shroud out then. If the bearings are bad you can feel it by taking loose the spring and shock and moving the idler arm up and down by hand. x You can thread the belt around the fan blades, between the bald tips and shroud. It takes a few minutes to figure out where, but it wasn't that hard. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Howdy - Thx again for all the help in my problem with my sluggish 300D - I wish I'd ch anged the main fuel filter 1st! Anyway - about the subject -my current Belt has about 80,000 miles on it and is showing lateral cracks across the ribbing. I rec'd a new one from Rusty last week and need to start planning the job. I read the MB WSM procedure and was wondering if I need to remove the fan shroud (or lay it back out of the way as much as possible) and removing the fan assy? I had all that stuff out last time because of the other things I was doing but don't need to remove all that stuff this time. What should I do? TIA LarryT 91 300D -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 11:29:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T Yes, pull the shroud clips and pick it up to free the bottom tabs. Then you can move it around to aid threading the belt over the fan and around the pulleys. If you have not done so recently, I'd also recommend checking the bearings on the idler arm first. Then if you need to change it too, you may as well do the belt then, because you will need the fan and shroud out then. If the bearings are bad you can feel it by taking loose the spring and shock and moving the idler arm up and down by hand. x You can thread the belt around the fan blades, between the bald tips and shroud. It takes a few minutes to figure out where, but it
Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T
That's the way I replaced belt on my 91 350SDL years ago. I didn't remove no stinkin' shroud and/or fan, hose, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt RR W124 91 300D 2.5T You can thread the belt around the fan blades, between the bald tips and shroud. It takes a few minutes to figure out where, but it wasn't that hard. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Howdy - Thx again for all the help in my problem with my sluggish 300D - I wish I'd ch anged the main fuel filter 1st! Anyway - about the subject -my current Belt has about 80,000 miles on it and is showing lateral cracks across the ribbing. I rec'd a new one from Rusty last week and need to start planning the job. I read the MB WSM procedure and was wondering if I need to remove the fan shroud (or lay it back out of the way as much as possible) and removing the fan assy? I had all that stuff out last time because of the other things I was doing but don't need to remove all that stuff this time. What should I do? TIA LarryT 91 300D -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Security screws
Er, have you ever heard of April Fool's day? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:22:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Security screws These guys are good, but they are taking a drubbing in the Mac community for whipping everyone into a frenzy about a non-issue. Apple has used proprietary fasteners in various forms for years. These idiots are making it out like it's a vendetta to keep consumers out of products they own as a ploy for iFixit to sell the drivers and bits for stupidly inflated prices. MacDan --- On Mon, 4/4/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] OT Security screws To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 10:45 AM http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011/04/01/iphone-4-oppression-kit/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Security screws
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Er, have you ever heard of April Fool's day? My first thought too, although, to be fair, Dan is right about Apple always having used proprietary fasteners or at least user-unfriendly ways of putting together their products. I am old enough to remember when memory upgrades for a Mac Plus came with a case-cracker kit consisting of a foot-long hex driver to undo some deeply-placed screws and an engineer's ruler to get between the halves of the box once you had undone them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Security screws
Not to mention the Apple only memory you had to buy, which was physically identical to a normal stick, but had some magic embedded in the SPD eeprom. I may be a bit off-base with that, but I remember using Apple only memory just fine in a Thinkpad, when quite a few people had problems with generic not working in their macs. Walt On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Er, have you ever heard of April Fool's day? My first thought too, although, to be fair, Dan is right about Apple always having used proprietary fasteners or at least user-unfriendly ways of putting together their products. I am old enough to remember when memory upgrades for a Mac Plus came with a case-cracker kit consisting of a foot-long hex driver to undo some deeply-placed screws and an engineer's ruler to get between the halves of the box once you had undone them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Security screws
Yeah older Apple computers did have some esoteric memory requirements compared to PCs. Maybe it had parity-checking, or some other integrity-checking. There were benefits, but it *was* expensive. Allan On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:33 -0400, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention the Apple only memory you had to buy, which was physically identical to a normal stick, but had some magic embedded in the SPD eeprom. I may be a bit off-base with that, but I remember using Apple only memory just fine in a Thinkpad, when quite a few people had problems with generic not working in their macs. Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Security screws
Allan Streib wrote: Yeah older Apple computers did have some esoteric memory requirements compared to PCs. Maybe it had parity-checking, or some other integrity-checking. There were benefits, but it *was* expensive. The way I remember it, when SIMMs first came out, the PC stuff had 9 bits with parity, and the Mac stuff was 8 bit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blinking light?
Hope I'm not requesting something that has been covered, but I haven't seen any discussion about this problem, if it *IS* a problem?? After starting my car with the usual wait time for the glow plug indicator light to go out, the light comes back on blinking at about 1 second intervals and continues for about 30 blinks. Started doing this about 6 months ago. Guess I wonder if it is a warning about something wrong, but if so I am not getting the full message. Maybe its in Morse code, which I don't know how to decipher! Any ideas or knowledge out there?? Thanks for all your help, and fun and informative threads! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blinking light?
a warning about something wrong, but if so I am not getting the full message. Message decoded: Your glow plug system has a problem. Check it out. Likely one of them is burnt out. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT Security screws
ways of putting together their products. I am old enough to remember when memory upgrades for a Mac Plus came with a case-cracker kit consisting of a foot-long hex driver to undo some deeply-placed screws It was a Torx bit, and nothing special about it except that it had to be long enough to reach. The Mac+ inherited the case design from the original Mac, which didn't have any user-serviceable parts inside. Translation: the RAM chips were DIP packages, and soldered to the board. You didn't need to open the box unless it broke, and they didn't expect/ want you doing that yourself. I never used a prybar, I used a physical grab, slap the sides of the case while yanking up, the plastic clips would pop out then. Very robust design, rather elegant in its way. No chewed edges that way. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] radiation leakage?
Can anybody (Craig?) comment on this? Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit By Kenji Hall and Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times April 5, 2011, 4:39 a.m. Reporting from Tokyo— The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish. The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
Supposedly the Pacific Ocean completely dilutes any amount of leakage at any levels of radioactivity. I wonder what the fish think about this... On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Can anybody (Craig?) comment on this? Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit By Kenji Hall and Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times April 5, 2011, 4:39 a.m. Reporting from Tokyo— The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish. The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
A lot of it is iodine 131 (?) that has a half-life of 8 days. Combined with the dilution the effect will be minimal, if indeed that much is getting into the water. Go here for some details mitnse.com by people who I presume know a bit about the subject. the web site bravenewclimate.com also has some actual factual details but it might conflict with deeply-held emotional beliefs. The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. Then the tsunami hit that was like twice (again, might not be exactly right here) the design event, and remained intact except for flooding of the power systems. Loss of power was what caused cascading failures in the reactor cooling systems. But even with all that the reactors have remained almost entirely intact with relatively minimal release of radiation as measured in the vicinity (near and far) of the reactors. I think the whole thing is a rather astounding validation of a 40 yr old design that was acknowledged to have some flaws. --R On 4/5/2011 12:28 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Supposedly the Pacific Ocean completely dilutes any amount of leakage at any levels of radioactivity. I wonder what the fish think about this... On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Can anybody (Craig?) comment on this? Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit By Kenji Hall and Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times April 5, 2011, 4:39 a.m. Reporting from Tokyo— The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish. The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
Rich, as impresive as that affirmation of the safety of reactors sounds, yours is quite likely a minority viewpoint. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A lot of it is iodine 131 (?) that has a half-life of 8 days. Combined with the dilution the effect will be minimal, if indeed that much is getting into the water. Go here for some details mitnse.com by people who I presume know a bit about the subject. the web site bravenewclimate.comalso has some actual factual details but it might conflict with deeply-held emotional beliefs. The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. Then the tsunami hit that was like twice (again, might not be exactly right here) the design event, and remained intact except for flooding of the power systems. Loss of power was what caused cascading failures in the reactor cooling systems. But even with all that the reactors have remained almost entirely intact with relatively minimal release of radiation as measured in the vicinity (near and far) of the reactors. I think the whole thing is a rather astounding validation of a 40 yr old design that was acknowledged to have some flaws. --R On 4/5/2011 12:28 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Supposedly the Pacific Ocean completely dilutes any amount of leakage at any levels of radioactivity. I wonder what the fish think about this... On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Can anybody (Craig?) comment on this? Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit By Kenji Hall and Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times April 5, 2011, 4:39 a.m. Reporting from Tokyo— The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish. The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
Alas, there are sheeple everywhere. if not, garbage like opra, phil and all the other broadcast/cable trash I know nothing about would have no viewers. Rich, as impresive as that affirmation of the safety of reactors sounds, yours is quite likely a minority viewpoint. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A lot of it is iodine 131 (?) that has a half-life of 8 days. Combined with the dilution the effect will be minimal, if indeed that much is getting into the water. Go here for some details mitnse.com by people who I presume know a bit about the subject. the web site bravenewclimate.comalso has some actual factual details but it might conflict with deeply-held emotional beliefs. The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. Then the tsunami hit that was like twice (again, might not be exactly right here) the design event, and remained intact except for flooding of the power systems. Loss of power was what caused cascading failures in the reactor cooling systems. But even with all that the reactors have remained almost entirely intact with relatively minimal release of radiation as measured in the vicinity (near and far) of the reactors. I think the whole thing is a rather astounding validation of a 40 yr old design that was acknowledged to have some flaws. --R On 4/5/2011 12:28 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Supposedly the Pacific Ocean completely dilutes any amount of leakage at any levels of radioactivity. I wonder what the fish think about this... On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Can anybody (Craig?) comment on this? Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit By Kenji Hall and Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times April 5, 2011, 4:39 a.m. Reporting from Tokyo- The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish. The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
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Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
Dilution is the solution to pollution! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 281k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 12:28:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage? Supposedly the Pacific Ocean completely dilutes any amount of leakage at any levels of radioactivity. I wonder what the fish think about this... On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Can anybody (Craig?) comment on this? Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit By Kenji Hall and Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times April 5, 2011, 4:39 a.m. Reporting from Tokyo— The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish. The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
Count me in that minority. The tsunami was (according to NPR!) a once in a thousand year event. Can you imagine the expense involved in designing/building to survive all possible once in a thousand years catastrophes? Further, a recent innovation in reactor cooling provides a solution which would have worked and potentially saved all the reactors, but it's expensive and so it was not implemented at the site because the reactors were too close to retirement. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 1:29:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage? Rich, as impresive as that affirmation of the safety of reactors sounds, yours is quite likely a minority viewpoint. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A lot of it is iodine 131 (?) that has a half-life of 8 days. Combined with the dilution the effect will be minimal, if indeed that much is getting into the water. Go here for some details mitnse.com by people who I presume know a bit about the subject. the web site bravenewclimate.comalso has some actual factual details but it might conflict with deeply-held emotional beliefs. The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. Then the tsunami hit that was like twice (again, might not be exactly right here) the design event, and remained intact except for flooding of the power systems. Loss of power was what caused cascading failures in the reactor cooling systems. But even with all that the reactors have remained almost entirely intact with relatively minimal release of radiation as measured in the vicinity (near and far) of the reactors. I think the whole thing is a rather astounding validation of a 40 yr old design that was acknowledged to have some flaws. --R On 4/5/2011 12:28 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Supposedly the Pacific Ocean completely dilutes any amount of leakage at any levels of radioactivity. I wonder what the fish think about this... On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Can anybody (Craig?) comment on this? Japan's ocean radiation hits 7.5 million times legal limit By Kenji Hall and Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times April 5, 2011, 4:39 a.m. Reporting from Tokyo— The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it had found radioactive iodine at 7.5 million times the legal limit in a seawater sample taken near the facility, and government officials imposed a new health limit for radioactivity in fish. The reading of iodine-131 was recorded Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Another sample taken Monday found the level to be 5 million times the legal limit. The Monday samples also were found to contain radioactive cesium at 1.1 million times the legal limit. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car
I finally found a rusted out 1985 CA version 300TD wagon with a good engine that I plan on swapping into my 1985 300TD in-name-only wagon with the incorrect 1985 300D engine and standard rear shocks (non SLS) suspension. This means that within the next month I will be surplussing a strong, relatively low mileage (250K or less) 1985 300D turbo diesel engine (sans the SLS pump) at a very reasonable price. What's really nice is that since the engine is in a running, titled car with current plates you can give it a real test drive (we're in in the DC metro area). The asking price for turbo diesel engines on Ebay is around $1395 but I will probably accept any decent offer, reasonable or otherwise. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car
Is it bio-diesel or veggie oil ready? Does the AC blow Ice Cold? Will it easily last another 750,000 miles? Real Leather Seats? If not, I'm not interested. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 2:41:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car I finally found a rusted out 1985 CA version 300TD wagon with a good engine that I plan on swapping into my 1985 300TD in-name-only wagon with the incorrect 1985 300D engine and standard rear shocks (non SLS) suspension. This means that within the next month I will be surplussing a strong, relatively low mileage (250K or less) 1985 300D turbo diesel engine (sans the SLS pump) at a very reasonable price. What's really nice is that since the engine is in a running, titled car with current plates you can give it a real test drive (we're in in the DC metro area). The asking price for turbo diesel engines on Ebay is around $1395 but I will probably accept any decent offer, reasonable or otherwise. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car
Yes to all of those, plus 1) never driven in rain or snow, 2) mahogany wood dash, 3) rally wheels, and 4) front and side air bags. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: Is it bio-diesel or veggie oil ready? Does the AC blow Ice Cold? Will it easily last another 750,000 miles? Real Leather Seats? If not, I'm not interested. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 2:41:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car I finally found a rusted out 1985 CA version 300TD wagon with a good engine that I plan on swapping into my 1985 300TD in-name-only wagon with the incorrect 1985 300D engine and standard rear shocks (non SLS) suspension. This means that within the next month I will be surplussing a strong, relatively low mileage (250K or less) 1985 300D turbo diesel engine (sans the SLS pump) at a very reasonable price. What's really nice is that since the engine is in a running, titled car with current plates you can give it a real test drive (we're in in the DC metro area). The asking price for turbo diesel engines on Ebay is around $1395 but I will probably accept any decent offer, reasonable or otherwise. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car
Was it sat in by Elvis? Walt On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:53 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yes to all of those, plus 1) never driven in rain or snow, 2) mahogany wood dash, 3) rally wheels, and 4) front and side air bags. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: Is it bio-diesel or veggie oil ready? Does the AC blow Ice Cold? Will it easily last another 750,000 miles? Real Leather Seats? If not, I'm not interested. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 2:41:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car I finally found a rusted out 1985 CA version 300TD wagon with a good engine that I plan on swapping into my 1985 300TD in-name-only wagon with the incorrect 1985 300D engine and standard rear shocks (non SLS) suspension. This means that within the next month I will be surplussing a strong, relatively low mileage (250K or less) 1985 300D turbo diesel engine (sans the SLS pump) at a very reasonable price. What's really nice is that since the engine is in a running, titled car with current plates you can give it a real test drive (we're in in the DC metro area). The asking price for turbo diesel engines on Ebay is around $1395 but I will probably accept any decent offer, reasonable or otherwise. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
Yup, it's a once in a thousand years event, and it was due when the plant was built. There are historical records in Japan back almost 2000 years, this was not only a predictable event, but the magnitude was well known. TEPCO chose not to build to suit. An a separate note, the plant survived intact only in that it did not visibly collapse. We will find out what the damage is in a couple thousand years when it is low enough in radioactivity to examine the pipes and concrete for cracks. I would surmise that not only are all the fuel holding pools fractured to a greater or lesser degree, but the reactor piping is cracked in multiple places, the turbine sets are shot, the condensers are damaged, and it's quite possible the reactor containments are breached. It's not possible to whipsaw a complex plant like that without damage, no matter how you design it, and those reactors have serious design flaws. My off the cuff assessment is that the plant was totaled the instant the quake hit, whether or not the cores melted. One cannot drop a nuclear plant 8 feet and expect turbines, pumps, piping, concrete, and reactor vessels to be completely unaffected. When the emergency generators failed, the reactor cores melted in a matter of minutes and the party was all over. You will note that units 4 and 5 were not started back up, and did not overheat -- they are a newer design. If they were intact and operational, there would have been no emergency as there would have been at least minimal power generation capacity on at least one. I suspect they are also severely damaged and will never be used again. The presence of iodine 131 and radio cesium indicate that not only have the fuel rods been ruptured, but that the reactor containment is breached. This may be as simple as ruptured steam lines since these are boiling water reactors, god forbid, but it is just as likely that the reactor vessels are fractured. The containment of at least one is know to have failed, but there is no way to tell if it was the hydrogen detonation or the quake. I'd vote quake, myself. The fact that the three GE BW reactors overheated indicates to me that the containment failed in the earthquake -- it should have been possible to cool them by minimal flow of coolant and passive condensation in the normal condensers, as they are very close to sea level. However, if you cannot reliably pressurize them, it's impossible to cool them -- remember the unknown origin steam clouds? Busted reactor systems. Peter Peter -Original Message- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Apr 5, 2011 1:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage? Count me in that minority. The tsunami was (according to NPR!) a once in a thousand year event. Can you imagine the expense involved in designing/building to survive all possible once in a thousand years catastrophes? Further, a recent innovation in reactor cooling provides a solution which would have worked and potentially saved all the reactors, but it's expensive and so it was not implemented at the site because the reactors were too close to retirement. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 1:29:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage? Rich, as impresive as that affirmation of the safety of reactors sounds, yours is quite likely a minority viewpoint. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A lot of it is iodine 131 (?) that has a half-life of 8 days. Combined with the dilution the effect will be minimal, if indeed that much is getting into the water. Go here for some details mitnse.com by people who I presume know a bit about the subject. the web site bravenewclimate.comalso has some actual factual details but it might conflict with deeply-held emotional beliefs. The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. Then the tsunami hit that was like twice (again, might not be exactly right here) the design event, and remained intact except for flooding of the power systems. Loss of power was what caused cascading failures in the reactor cooling systems. But even with all that the reactors have remained almost entirely intact with relatively minimal release of radiation as measured in the vicinity (near and far) of the reactors. I think the whole thing is a rather astounding validation of a 40 yr old design that was acknowledged to have
[MBZ] Fwd: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence)
Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html to contact the person who posted this. 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines Date: 2011-04-05, 11:41AM I have a pair of parts engines up for grabs. Neither one of these engines is complete, one is from a 300D, the other from a 300TD (wagon). The wagon engine has the special wagon head with a hydraulic pump provision, but a block off plate has been added so it can work easily in other 5cyl turbo diesel applications. Both are basically long blocks. Not sure of mileage on them. Both come with injection pumps, but not attached. I have them in a pair of waterproof engine cases that they also come with. I just don't have the space for these extra engines so they have to go. I have a hoist to load them as well. If you are interested, please give me a call or email me. 401-440-4529 * Location: providence * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNTg2OTI1OD8kOG9nlLHDKsstKjRLxcP_nRwvonrustoKmejDJvrr82pckOrPAtn18TmRHVmdKw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence)
I know the guy who listed these, the advert is legit and he's a very good egg. You won't have any issues at all if you choose to pick either up. Walt On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html to contact the person who posted this. 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines Date: 2011-04-05, 11:41AM I have a pair of parts engines up for grabs. Neither one of these engines is complete, one is from a 300D, the other from a 300TD (wagon). The wagon engine has the special wagon head with a hydraulic pump provision, but a block off plate has been added so it can work easily in other 5cyl turbo diesel applications. Both are basically long blocks. Not sure of mileage on them. Both come with injection pumps, but not attached. I have them in a pair of waterproof engine cases that they also come with. I just don't have the space for these extra engines so they have to go. I have a hoist to load them as well. If you are interested, please give me a call or email me. 401-440-4529 * Location: providence * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNTg2OTI1OD8kOG9nlLHDKsstKjRLxcP_nRwvonrustoKmejDJvrr82pckOrPAtn18TmRHVmdKw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence)
Wonder what shipping cost is on something like that. Picking up from where I live would be ~$350 in gas plus overnight in hotel plus cost of my time. Allan On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:35 -0400, Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html to contact the person who posted this. 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines Date: 2011-04-05, 11:41AM I have a pair of parts engines up for grabs. Neither one of these engines is complete, one is from a 300D, the other from a 300TD (wagon). The wagon engine has the special wagon head with a hydraulic pump provision, but a block off plate has been added so it can work easily in other 5cyl turbo diesel applications. Both are basically long blocks. Not sure of mileage on them. Both come with injection pumps, but not attached. I have them in a pair of waterproof engine cases that they also come with. I just don't have the space for these extra engines so they have to go. I have a hoist to load them as well. If you are interested, please give me a call or email me. 401-440-4529 * Location: providence * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNTg2OTI1OD8kOG9nlLHDKsstKjRLxcP_nRwvonrustoKmejDJvrr82pckOrPAtn18TmRHVmdKw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car
Not that i know of, but since it spent much of its life in Atlanta it's likely Elton John was a frequent passenger. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Was it sat in by Elvis? Walt On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:53 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yes to all of those, plus 1) never driven in rain or snow, 2) mahogany wood dash, 3) rally wheels, and 4) front and side air bags. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Is it bio-diesel or veggie oil ready? Does the AC blow Ice Cold? Will it easily last another 750,000 miles? Real Leather Seats? If not, I'm not interested. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 2:41:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300D engine on the market and in the car I finally found a rusted out 1985 CA version 300TD wagon with a good engine that I plan on swapping into my 1985 300TD in-name-only wagon with the incorrect 1985 300D engine and standard rear shocks (non SLS) suspension. This means that within the next month I will be surplussing a strong, relatively low mileage (250K or less) 1985 300D turbo diesel engine (sans the SLS pump) at a very reasonable price. What's really nice is that since the engine is in a running, titled car with current plates you can give it a real test drive (we're in in the DC metro area). The asking price for turbo diesel engines on Ebay is around $1395 but I will probably accept any decent offer, reasonable or otherwise. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence)
Hey, my engine is much better than his AND you can test it in the car! Also, I am a better egg. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonder what shipping cost is on something like that. Picking up from where I live would be ~$350 in gas plus overnight in hotel plus cost of my time. Allan On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:35 -0400, Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html to contact the person who posted this. 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines Date: 2011-04-05, 11:41AM I have a pair of parts engines up for grabs. Neither one of these engines is complete, one is from a 300D, the other from a 300TD (wagon). The wagon engine has the special wagon head with a hydraulic pump provision, but a block off plate has been added so it can work easily in other 5cyl turbo diesel applications. Both are basically long blocks. Not sure of mileage on them. Both come with injection pumps, but not attached. I have them in a pair of waterproof engine cases that they also come with. I just don't have the space for these extra engines so they have to go. I have a hoist to load them as well. If you are interested, please give me a call or email me. 401-440-4529 * Location: providence * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: / http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNTg2OTI1OD8kOG9nlLHDKsstKjRLxcP_nRwvonrustoKmejDJvrr82pckOrPAtn18TmRHVmdKw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence)
Haha, you're ALL good eggs, I can't play favorites. :P Walt On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, my engine is much better than his AND you can test it in the car! Also, I am a better egg. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonder what shipping cost is on something like that. Picking up from where I live would be ~$350 in gas plus overnight in hotel plus cost of my time. Allan On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:35 -0400, Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html to contact the person who posted this. 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines Date: 2011-04-05, 11:41AM I have a pair of parts engines up for grabs. Neither one of these engines is complete, one is from a 300D, the other from a 300TD (wagon). The wagon engine has the special wagon head with a hydraulic pump provision, but a block off plate has been added so it can work easily in other 5cyl turbo diesel applications. Both are basically long blocks. Not sure of mileage on them. Both come with injection pumps, but not attached. I have them in a pair of waterproof engine cases that they also come with. I just don't have the space for these extra engines so they have to go. I have a hoist to load them as well. If you are interested, please give me a call or email me. 401-440-4529 * Location: providence * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2306645685.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: / http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNTg2OTI1OD8kOG9nlLHDKsstKjRLxcP_nRwvonrustoKmejDJvrr82pckOrPAtn18TmRHVmdKw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wilton wheels?
What did they call that thing that was like a Mattel Big Wheel but had rear wheel steering? http://www.picrandom.com/images/greenmachi.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wilton wheels?
Big wheel, love it and the shower that you would have to look through in the rain. Sorry, forgot it was a toy. Klatta on! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 4/5/2011 4:47 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did they call that thing that was like a Mattel Big Wheel but had rear wheel steering? http://www.picrandom.com/images/greenmachi.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence)
andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Hey, my engine is much better than his AND you can test it in the car! Also, I am a better egg. Heh missed that you are also selling one. I actually don't know if I need one yet; the engine in my W116 300SD threw the harmonic balancer and I've yet to determine if the crank is fatally damaged (or really, whether the engine will run at all). I have been waiting on getting the title (seller lost it and getting a duplicate issued took much longer than expected, but finally came through this week). On that subject... is there any problem running the engine without the balancer in place? I'm talking about just starting it up for long enough to verify that it will start and idle... no more than 10 seconds or so. Allan -- 1983 300D 1879 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiation leakage?
Max wrote: Count me in that minority. Ditto here also. I am too many years past using a pencil and paper for stuff. I like electricity which powers lights and computers. I would rather not freeze in the dark. Besides, if we are gonna have electicity, we either have to get used to black lung, or we suffer a chernobyl every once in a while. That is, unless someone can recover the 'lost' Faraday equations or recover the Tesla capture distribution system. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 80s Mercedes 617 turbo diesel engines - $100 (providence)
Walt wrote: Haha, you're ALL good eggs, I can't play favorites. :P Even me? I read banned... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: radiation leakage?
The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. A 10x difference as I understand it. Logarithmic scale. I agree that all the plants were probably totaled in the event, but that doesn't mean much. One would expect the non-nuclear parts to be designed to a lesser level, as that stuff _can_ all be replaced. (The bathrooms and employee lounges can be at the bottom of the scale!) Containment/shutdown is the only part that needs to be as good as you can make it, and it is apparent here that it wasn't. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: radiation leakage?
What people forget is that it could have survived the earthquake, but it was the tsunami that did the damage. Bob R On Apr 5, 2011 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. A 10x difference as I understand it. Logarithmic scale. I agree that all the plants were probably totaled in the event, but that doesn't mean much. One would expect the non-nuclear parts to be designed to a lesser level, as that stuff _can_ all be replaced. (The bathrooms and employee lounges can be at the bottom of the scale!) Containment/shutdown is the only part that needs to be as good as you can make it, and it is apparent here that it wasn't. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: radiation leakage?
What some people forget is that the plant was just fine for hours till the battery backups for the valving on the emergency (steam powered iirc?) cooling system died. They were also were successfully SCRAMed when the quake hit. All the real damage was caused by the decay heat, not fission. If the tsunami hadn't washed away the power lines connecting them back to the grid (should have been underground lines TBH, but even they might have been compromised) and wrecked the emergency generators, this would have simply been a boring Japanese nuclear plant damaged beyond repair, reactors decommissioned ahead of schedule on the 4th page under a story of how some old ladys cat jumped out a window and. There were shortfalls, but I think everything held up much better than it should have. Then again, a BWR is quite outdated tech compared to some of the other designs that are being developed/were developed that the US can't use due to our unofficial ban on nuclear plant construction... But that's a topic for another thread/list. Walt On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: What people forget is that it could have survived the earthquake, but it was the tsunami that did the damage. Bob R On Apr 5, 2011 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The thing to keep in mind is that these facilities were designed for (I might not be exactly right here, but close enough) a magnitude 8 quake, and they were hit by a magnitude 9 -- a HUGE difference -- and remained intact. A 10x difference as I understand it. Logarithmic scale. I agree that all the plants were probably totaled in the event, but that doesn't mean much. One would expect the non-nuclear parts to be designed to a lesser level, as that stuff _can_ all be replaced. (The bathrooms and employee lounges can be at the bottom of the scale!) Containment/shutdown is the only part that needs to be as good as you can make it, and it is apparent here that it wasn't. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
