[MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro

2013-10-02 Thread Tim Crone
http://wunc.org/post/nuclear-near-miss-goldsboro

Has everything you could want in an off-topic post: B-52s, bombs, a crane,
tobacco, and men from Mars.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro

2013-10-02 Thread Rich Thomas

If it was a nuclear near miss then it was a nuclear hit.  We nearly missed!

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On 10/2/13 9:37 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

http://wunc.org/post/nuclear-near-miss-goldsboro

Has everything you could want in an off-topic post: B-52s, bombs, a crane,
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[MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Rich Thomas

Posted on the local cycling group list:

For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike, 
Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047.


This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I 
rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode itself 
- very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with gold and 
black detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with leather strap 
clips. Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 25mm Continental 
Gatorskin tires. Photos available. Comes with old-school Zefal hp pump. 
Price $400 firm. Email is best, but please feel free to call Nelson, at 
843-633-1717.


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[MBZ] OT You know you want this

2013-10-02 Thread Rich Thomas

Wonder if they could drop an AMG 12cyl in there?

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/10/equus-bass-770/?viewall=true

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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Gary Hurst
i like old bicycles but don't collect them.  still have too many bikes and
parts around as it is

i may have it wrong but i remember these as pretty low end bikes, more of
the under 100 dollar type than $400.  you can get a super nice bike from
that era for this kind of money so why buy this?


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Posted on the local cycling group list:

 For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike,
 Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047.

 This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I
 rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode itself -
 very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with gold and black
 detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with leather strap clips.
 Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 25mm Continental Gatorskin
 tires. Photos available. Comes with old-school Zefal hp pump. Price $400
 firm. Email is best, but please feel free to call Nelson, at 843-633-1717.

 --R


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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Michael Canfield
I had a Raleigh 10 speed as a kid.  Came from one of the box
stores.proba ly Nichols(sp?).  Was a good bike, but low end at the time.

Mike
On Oct 2, 2013 10:07 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i like old bicycles but don't collect them.  still have too many bikes and
 parts around as it is

 i may have it wrong but i remember these as pretty low end bikes, more of
 the under 100 dollar type than $400.  you can get a super nice bike from
 that era for this kind of money so why buy this?


 On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  Posted on the local cycling group list:
 
  For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike,
  Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047.
 
  This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I
  rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode itself
 -
  very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with gold and black
  detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with leather strap clips.
  Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 25mm Continental
 Gatorskin
  tires. Photos available. Comes with old-school Zefal hp pump. Price $400
  firm. Email is best, but please feel free to call Nelson, at
 843-633-1717.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro

2013-10-02 Thread Craig
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:44:12 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 If it was a nuclear near miss then it was a nuclear hit.  We nearly
 missed!

Close only counts in hand grenades and horse shoes, and nuclear weapons.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro

2013-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell

On 02/10/2013 10:19 AM, Craig wrote:

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:44:12 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


If it was a nuclear near miss then it was a nuclear hit.  We nearly
missed!

Close only counts in hand grenades and horse shoes, and nuclear weapons.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro

2013-10-02 Thread WILTON

The subject of my straight poop posting on Sep 22.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us

To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro



http://wunc.org/post/nuclear-near-miss-goldsboro

Has everything you could want in an off-topic post: B-52s, bombs, a crane,
tobacco, and men from Mars.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell

On 02/10/2013 8:50 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Posted on the local cycling group list:

For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike, 
Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047.


This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I 
rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode 
itself - very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with 
gold and black detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with 
leather strap clips. Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 
25mm Continental Gatorskin tires. Photos available. Comes with 
old-school Zefal hp pump. Price $400 firm. Email is best, but please 
feel free to call Nelson, at 843-633-1717.


--R



I like the Raleigh bikes when they were still made in England.
I have one from about 1975. It is a lady's bike - Avacado Green - 10 
speed -  more of a touring bike with the normal non-racing bike type 
handlebars and fenders, but the narrow road tires.

I picked it out for my sister and my mother gave it to her as a present.
A few years ago she announced it was no good and she wanted a new bike. 
Why, I am not sure, as I doubt she ever rides one.
However, I bought it from her and it is in my shed. I have yet to ride 
it as I need to put new tires on it.
I had a new aluminum mountain bike so I did not get in any hurry to fix 
the Raleigh.
Howver, my elder son moved to Ottawa a year ago and I gave him my 
mountain bike to take with him, so now I should fix the Raleigh.


And yes, I am secure enough to ride a lady's bike and not worry about 
what people might think.
I have watched the local online sale site for a man's bike of the 
vintage but they seem to want a lot of money for them.
The reason I liked the Raleigh was that it shifted smoother than 
anything I had ever ridden.


The other thing I would like to acquire - used and cheap - is one of the 
little folding bikes.

It strikes me as being something that might be useful.

For example, if I needed to launch a boat at the lake when my son was 
not with me, I could take the truck and launch the boat and drive the 
truck back to the cottage and park it and then ride the bike back to get 
the boat. I could toss the bike into the boat and drive the boat back to 
our dock etc. The little folding bike would take less space and could 
just stay in the boat until I did the reverse trip when retrieving the 
boat. I could do it without the folding bike but somehow the little one 
appeals to me.
One of my neighbors came up with a neat little folding bike with a 
battery and electric motor this spring at a garage sale for $50. That is 
my kind of deal.


Randy who is no bike expert but had to chime in on the subject

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[MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell

I decided a while back that I should upgrade my truck.
Part of the reason is it is just nicer to drive something newer that 
does not need much work.
Another part  of the reason is that my younger son was driving even 
older vehicles and I wanted to help him a bit by passing my 02 Supercrew 
on to him before it was totally worn out.
So, I watched the local ads for used trucks for a while and finally 
decided that used trucks were stupidly expensive and most of the ones 
for sale have more mileage on them than I wanted. For not a whole lot 
more, I could buy a new one.
The temptation is to buy fancier than one truly needs and I ended up 
with something more expensive than I wanted but will hopefully keep it a 
long while and get my money's worth out of it.

I got a 2013 Supercrew 4X4 with the 5.0 and 6 speed auto.
Not quite a fancy as the previous one which was a Lariat but still 
pretty nice. Cloth rather than leather and no climate control system but 
apart from that, lots of good things like the backup camera and 
satellite radio and built in bluetooth etc.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
ATTABOY

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 I decided a while back that I should upgrade my truck.
 Part of the reason is it is just nicer to drive something newer that does not 
 need much work.
 Another part  of the reason is that my younger son was driving even older 
 vehicles and I wanted to help him a bit by passing my 02 Supercrew on to him 
 before it was totally worn out.
 So, I watched the local ads for used trucks for a while and finally decided 
 that used trucks were stupidly expensive and most of the ones for sale have 
 more mileage on them than I wanted. For not a whole lot more, I could buy a 
 new one.
 The temptation is to buy fancier than one truly needs and I ended up with 
 something more expensive than I wanted but will hopefully keep it a long 
 while and get my money's worth out of it.
 I got a 2013 Supercrew 4X4 with the 5.0 and 6 speed auto.
 Not quite a fancy as the previous one which was a Lariat but still pretty 
 nice. Cloth rather than leather and no climate control system but apart from 
 that, lots of good things like the backup camera and satellite radio and 
 built in bluetooth etc.
 
 Randy
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread dseretakis
The Grand Prix is low end but this is a Super Grand Prix. Probably a different 
bird.

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On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i like old bicycles but don't collect them.  still have too many bikes and
 parts around as it is
 
 i may have it wrong but i remember these as pretty low end bikes, more of
 the under 100 dollar type than $400.  you can get a super nice bike from
 that era for this kind of money so why buy this?
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 Posted on the local cycling group list:
 
 For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike,
 Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047.
 
 This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I
 rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode itself -
 very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with gold and black
 detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with leather strap clips.
 Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 25mm Continental Gatorskin
 tires. Photos available. Comes with old-school Zefal hp pump. Price $400
 firm. Email is best, but please feel free to call Nelson, at 843-633-1717.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Gary Hurst
it may be and someone who knows something needs to clarify this.  it is
selling for a really high price in a market when nice chromo bikes from the
late 70s are 99 bucks and less most anywhere.  i mean, i paid $250 for a
lugged trek 520, so for 400 bucks, i'd be expecting something really high
end

maybe i'm wrong though and someone who actually knows something will step
up and bring us into the light


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:07 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The Grand Prix is low end but this is a Super Grand Prix. Probably a
 different bird.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i like old bicycles but don't collect them.  still have too many bikes
 and
  parts around as it is
 
  i may have it wrong but i remember these as pretty low end bikes, more of
  the under 100 dollar type than $400.  you can get a super nice bike from
  that era for this kind of money so why buy this?
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Rich Thomas 
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
  Posted on the local cycling group list:
 
  For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike,
  Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047.
 
  This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I
  rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode
 itself -
  very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with gold and
 black
  detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with leather strap clips.
  Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 25mm Continental
 Gatorskin
  tires. Photos available. Comes with old-school Zefal hp pump. Price $400
  firm. Email is best, but please feel free to call Nelson, at
 843-633-1717.
 
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[MBZ] Speaking of trucks....

2013-10-02 Thread Chris James

I found this cool truck the other day on CL!

1983 Mercedes L1116 dump truck (141.7 wb)
Turbo OM352-A (145hp/295lb-ft)


http://asheville.craigslist.org/hvo/4100878804.html

Don't see many short wheel base MB trunks, most I've seen for sale have
huge cargo boxers or flatbeds. The short nose MB trucks are really
unique looking, too bad they stopped selling them in the late '80s? here
in the US. It would definitely be cool if they re-issued them with
modern equipment! I guess in the '90s D-B decided to focus on their
other brand acquisitions (Freightliner ect.).

Supposedly the US market trucks were assembled here in the US (like the
Sprinter), anyone know by whom or where? They were quite popular in
other parts of the world.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-Diesel-Truck-Ad-wl714-J4KZZM-/290874424001



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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell

Yeah, just doing my bit to keep the economy rolling along

Randy

On 02/10/2013 11:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

ATTABOY

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


I decided a while back that I should upgrade my truck.
Part of the reason is it is just nicer to drive something newer that does not 
need much work.
Another part  of the reason is that my younger son was driving even older 
vehicles and I wanted to help him a bit by passing my 02 Supercrew on to him 
before it was totally worn out.
So, I watched the local ads for used trucks for a while and finally decided 
that used trucks were stupidly expensive and most of the ones for sale have 
more mileage on them than I wanted. For not a whole lot more, I could buy a new 
one.
The temptation is to buy fancier than one truly needs and I ended up with 
something more expensive than I wanted but will hopefully keep it a long while 
and get my money's worth out of it.
I got a 2013 Supercrew 4X4 with the 5.0 and 6 speed auto.
Not quite a fancy as the previous one which was a Lariat but still pretty nice. 
Cloth rather than leather and no climate control system but apart from that, 
lots of good things like the backup camera and satellite radio and built in 
bluetooth etc.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley

Michael Canfield wrote:

I had a Raleigh 10 speed as a kid.  Came from one of the box
stores.proba ly Nichols(sp?).  Was a good bike, but low end at the time.


IIRC, the Raleigh Record was for people who wanted to spend Schwinn Varsity 
money and get a bike that weighed less than a motorcycle. 95% of all kids who 
had a Raleigh 10sp had a Record. I think Grand Prix was a step or two above that.
At the other end of the spectrum was the Professional, and below that, the 
Competition (with French components) and Competition GS (with Campagnolo Grand 
Sport components). Professional and Competition had frames by Carlton made with 
Reynolds 531 tubing. A friend of mine bought a barely used Comp GS for $500 back 
in the 1970s. It's still in beautiful shape, but I bet he'd have a hard time 
selling it for $400 today.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of trucks....

2013-10-02 Thread Rich Thomas
 Only 121,000 original miles.  [all of it hauling loads and loads of 
stuff in harsh places and getting beat to hell]


It looks sorta Unimogish

--R


On 10/2/13 2:53 PM, Chris James wrote:

I found this cool truck the other day on CL!

1983 Mercedes L1116 dump truck (141.7 wb)
Turbo OM352-A (145hp/295lb-ft)


http://asheville.craigslist.org/hvo/4100878804.html

Don't see many short wheel base MB trunks, most I've seen for sale have
huge cargo boxers or flatbeds. The short nose MB trucks are really
unique looking, too bad they stopped selling them in the late '80s? here
in the US. It would definitely be cool if they re-issued them with
modern equipment! I guess in the '90s D-B decided to focus on their
other brand acquisitions (Freightliner ect.).

Supposedly the US market trucks were assembled here in the US (like the
Sprinter), anyone know by whom or where? They were quite popular in
other parts of the world.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Mercedes-Benz-Diesel-Truck-Ad-wl714-J4KZZM-/290874424001 







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Re: [MBZ] 124 Climate Control Unit/PBU

2013-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley

Larry T wrote:
I had my AC checked today -- was 1.5#'s low.  It has had a slow leak for 
years but usually the air gets warmer and warmer. This time it was fine 
one day and the compressor was no working the next Anyway - fixed 
now - hopefully it'll last until next year.  It is getting cooler 
finally but we'll have a few more warm days I suspect.




Does fixed now mean fixed the leak, or added 1.5lb of refrigerant?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Gary Hurst
this is a super grand prix.  any clue what the frame might be?

also, if one would be hard pressed to sell a competition GS for 400 today,
how much might this super grand prix be worth?  i'm thinking we are talking
about $50 to $100 bike here that is made of pipe steel.  no?


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Michael Canfield wrote:

 I had a Raleigh 10 speed as a kid.  Came from one of the box
 stores.proba ly Nichols(sp?).  Was a good bike, but low end at the
 time.


 IIRC, the Raleigh Record was for people who wanted to spend Schwinn
 Varsity money and get a bike that weighed less than a motorcycle. 95% of
 all kids who had a Raleigh 10sp had a Record. I think Grand Prix was a step
 or two above that.
 At the other end of the spectrum was the Professional, and below that, the
 Competition (with French components) and Competition GS (with Campagnolo
 Grand Sport components). Professional and Competition had frames by Carlton
 made with Reynolds 531 tubing. A friend of mine bought a barely used Comp
 GS for $500 back in the 1970s. It's still in beautiful shape, but I bet
 he'd have a hard time selling it for $400 today.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley

Gary Hurst wrote:

this is a super grand prix.  any clue what the frame might be?

also, if one would be hard pressed to sell a competition GS for 400 today,
how much might this super grand prix be worth?  i'm thinking we are talking
about $50 to $100 bike here that is made of pipe steel.  no?


The GP was made of high carbon steel according to period advertising.
Still trying to find out more about the SGP.
http://sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/grand-prix.html
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/retro-classic/raleigh-grand-prix-59634.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/734292-Raleigh-Super-Grand-Prix-worthy-bike

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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Oct 2, 2013 12:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 Yeah, just doing my bit to keep the economy rolling along



I just bought SWMBO a new Mazda CX-5.  Only the second new car I've ever
owned.  0.9% financing was just too tempting.  Basically free money, apart
from the depreciation (which doesn't really matter if you plan to keep the
vehicle 10-15 years, as we do).

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, high carbon steel is pipe steel.  they like to call it high
tensile steel today, but it's basically the stuff of cheap bikes.  nothing
really wrong with it, just is heavy and cheap


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Gary Hurst wrote:

 this is a super grand prix.  any clue what the frame might be?

 also, if one would be hard pressed to sell a competition GS for 400 today,
 how much might this super grand prix be worth?  i'm thinking we are
 talking
 about $50 to $100 bike here that is made of pipe steel.  no?


 The GP was made of high carbon steel according to period advertising.
 Still trying to find out more about the SGP.
 http://sheldonbrown.com/**retroraleighs/grand-prix.htmlhttp://sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/grand-prix.html
 http://forums.roadbikereview.**com/retro-classic/raleigh-**
 grand-prix-59634.htmlhttp://forums.roadbikereview.com/retro-classic/raleigh-grand-prix-59634.html

 http://www.bikeforums.net/**showthread.php/734292-Raleigh-**
 Super-Grand-Prix-worthy-bikehttp://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/734292-Raleigh-Super-Grand-Prix-worthy-bike


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Climate Control Unit/PBU

2013-10-02 Thread Craig
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 15:21:51 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Larry T wrote:
  I had my AC checked today -- was 1.5#'s low.  It has had a slow leak
  for years but usually the air gets warmer and warmer. This time it
  was fine one day and the compressor was no working the next
  Anyway - fixed now - hopefully it'll last until next year.  It is
  getting cooler finally but we'll have a few more warm days I suspect.
  
 
 Does fixed now mean fixed the leak, or added 1.5lb of refrigerant?

The comment, hopefully it'll last until next year, implies the latter.


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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread WILTON

ATTABOY.

Where was it built?

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT trucks



Yeah, just doing my bit to keep the economy rolling along

Randy

On 02/10/2013 11:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

ATTABOY

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


I decided a while back that I should upgrade my truck.
Part of the reason is it is just nicer to drive something newer that 
does not need much work.
Another part  of the reason is that my younger son was driving even 
older vehicles and I wanted to help him a bit by passing my 02 Supercrew 
on to him before it was totally worn out.
So, I watched the local ads for used trucks for a while and finally 
decided that used trucks were stupidly expensive and most of the ones 
for sale have more mileage on them than I wanted. For not a whole lot 
more, I could buy a new one.
The temptation is to buy fancier than one truly needs and I ended up 
with something more expensive than I wanted but will hopefully keep it a 
long while and get my money's worth out of it.

I got a 2013 Supercrew 4X4 with the 5.0 and 6 speed auto.
Not quite a fancy as the previous one which was a Lariat but still 
pretty nice. Cloth rather than leather and no climate control system but 
apart from that, lots of good things like the backup camera and 
satellite radio and built in bluetooth etc.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell

No idea. Where do they build F150 Supercrew trucks these days?

Randy

On 02/10/2013 3:11 PM, WILTON wrote:

ATTABOY.

Where was it built?

Wilt

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT trucks



Yeah, just doing my bit to keep the economy rolling along

Randy

On 02/10/2013 11:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

ATTABOY

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


I decided a while back that I should upgrade my truck.
Part of the reason is it is just nicer to drive something newer 
that does not need much work.
Another part  of the reason is that my younger son was driving even 
older vehicles and I wanted to help him a bit by passing my 02 
Supercrew on to him before it was totally worn out.
So, I watched the local ads for used trucks for a while and finally 
decided that used trucks were stupidly expensive and most of the 
ones for sale have more mileage on them than I wanted. For not a 
whole lot more, I could buy a new one.
The temptation is to buy fancier than one truly needs and I ended 
up with something more expensive than I wanted but will hopefully 
keep it a long while and get my money's worth out of it.

I got a 2013 Supercrew 4X4 with the 5.0 and 6 speed auto.
Not quite a fancy as the previous one which was a Lariat but still 
pretty nice. Cloth rather than leather and no climate control 
system but apart from that, lots of good things like the backup 
camera and satellite radio and built in bluetooth etc.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread ernest breakfield
seller failed to mention one of the most critical points (the size?), 
but given all the other misspellings in the post, i doubt they're what 
most people would consider a serious cyclist.
i wouldn't expect a bike like that to go for half that asking 
price, if that.



cheers!
e


On 02/Oct/13 06:50, Rich Thomas wrote:

Posted on the local cycling group list:

For Sale: 1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix Tour De France Road Bike, 
Champaign Green - Serial Number #WP8001047.


This classic is in great condition, with only a few minor scratches. I 
rode this bike across South Carolina last year and it almost rode 
itself - very comfortable ride. Original champaign green paint with 
gold and black detailing. Crome-tip forks, Campanella pedals with 
leather strap clips. Original 165mm Raleigh crank, 700c Raleigh rims, 
25mm Continental Gatorskin tires. Photos available. Comes with 
old-school Zefal hp pump. Price $400 firm. Email is best, but please 
feel free to call Nelson, at 843-633-1717.


--R





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro

2013-10-02 Thread WILTON
'Nother case of an author filling in gaps in his knowledge with his 
imagination.  No release lever was triggered, and there was no such lever. 
Bombs were wrenched out by extremely unusual centrifugal forces.  'Even had 
to make up prevailing winds and crossing wires.


Mattocks flung himself in desperation toward co-pilot's open hatch on the 
right; again, extremely unusual centrifugal/rotational forces redirected him 
accidently through pilot's hatch on the left.  Aircraft likely inverted when 
mattocks exited.


Pilot landed in swamp; one bomb landed in edge of field with parachute in 
tree; second bomb landed in farmer's field and made deep impact crater.


Optimum blast altitude was not a factor; both were ground contact.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us

To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Bombing Goldsboro



http://wunc.org/post/nuclear-near-miss-goldsboro

Has everything you could want in an off-topic post: B-52s, bombs, a crane,
tobacco, and men from Mars.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread WILTON
'Don't know - just wondering if you might have helped us out; we need all 
the help we can get.  We don't even have a functioning government.   ;)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT trucks



No idea. Where do they build F150 Supercrew trucks these days?

Randy

On 02/10/2013 3:11 PM, WILTON wrote:

ATTABOY.

Where was it built?

Wilt

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT trucks



Yeah, just doing my bit to keep the economy rolling along

Randy

On 02/10/2013 11:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

ATTABOY

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


I decided a while back that I should upgrade my truck.
Part of the reason is it is just nicer to drive something newer that 
does not need much work.
Another part  of the reason is that my younger son was driving even 
older vehicles and I wanted to help him a bit by passing my 02 
Supercrew on to him before it was totally worn out.
So, I watched the local ads for used trucks for a while and finally 
decided that used trucks were stupidly expensive and most of the ones 
for sale have more mileage on them than I wanted. For not a whole lot 
more, I could buy a new one.
The temptation is to buy fancier than one truly needs and I ended up 
with something more expensive than I wanted but will hopefully keep it 
a long while and get my money's worth out of it.

I got a 2013 Supercrew 4X4 with the 5.0 and 6 speed auto.
Not quite a fancy as the previous one which was a Lariat but still 
pretty nice. Cloth rather than leather and no climate control system 
but apart from that, lots of good things like the backup camera and 
satellite radio and built in bluetooth etc.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
They have a sticker either on the drivers door jamb somewhere or in the corner 
of one of the windows somewhere 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 No idea. Where do they build F150 Supercrew trucks these days?
 
 Randy
 
 On 02/10/2013 3:11 PM, WILTON wrote:
 ATTABOY.
 
 Where was it built?
 
 Wilt
 
 - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT trucks
 
 
 Yeah, just doing my bit to keep the economy rolling along
 
 Randy
 
 On 02/10/2013 11:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 ATTABOY
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 I decided a while back that I should upgrade my truck.
 Part of the reason is it is just nicer to drive something newer that does 
 not need much work.
 Another part  of the reason is that my younger son was driving even older 
 vehicles and I wanted to help him a bit by passing my 02 Supercrew on to 
 him before it was totally worn out.
 So, I watched the local ads for used trucks for a while and finally 
 decided that used trucks were stupidly expensive and most of the ones for 
 sale have more mileage on them than I wanted. For not a whole lot more, I 
 could buy a new one.
 The temptation is to buy fancier than one truly needs and I ended up with 
 something more expensive than I wanted but will hopefully keep it a long 
 while and get my money's worth out of it.
 I got a 2013 Supercrew 4X4 with the 5.0 and 6 speed auto.
 Not quite a fancy as the previous one which was a Lariat but still pretty 
 nice. Cloth rather than leather and no climate control system but apart 
 from that, lots of good things like the backup camera and satellite radio 
 and built in bluetooth etc.
 
 Randy
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Oct 2, 2013 1:13 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 No idea. Where do they build F150 Supercrew trucks these days?



The first digit of the VIN will tell you.  1 is the USA, 2 Canada, 3 Mexico.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell

On 02/10/2013 4:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Oct 2, 2013 1:13 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

No idea. Where do they build F150 Supercrew trucks these days?



The first digit of the VIN will tell you.  1 is the USA, 2 Canada, 3 Mexico.

Alex
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VIN starts with a 1 so USA.

Good thing there is no number for China.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell

On 02/10/2013 3:51 PM, WILTON wrote:

  We don't even have a functioning government. ;)

Wilton



THAT just might be a good thing.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread WILTON

Thanks for trying to help us.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT trucks



On 02/10/2013 4:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Oct 2, 2013 1:13 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

No idea. Where do they build F150 Supercrew trucks these days?


The first digit of the VIN will tell you.  1 is the USA, 2 Canada, 3 
Mexico.


Alex
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Good thing there is no number for China.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Craig
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 16:51:47 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

 On 02/10/2013 3:51 PM, WILTON wrote:
We don't even have a functioning government. ;)
 
  Wilton
 
 
 THAT just might be a good thing.

Who was it, Will Rogers maybe, that said something to the effect of,
hold on to your wallets; Congress is in session?


Craig

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[MBZ] Fuel prices going DOWN

2013-10-02 Thread Craig
Usually we post on how much fuel prices have gone up. Yesterday we had a
DROP of $ 0.36 in the price of diesel.

Our prices have been:

Reg Mid Super   Diesel
07 Aug 2013 3.499   3.629   3.759   3.759
31 Aug 2013 3.459   3.589   3.719   3.899
04 Sep 2013 3.429   3.559   3.689   3.849
17 Sep 2013 3.389   3.539   3.689   3.849
22 Sep 2013 3.339   3.469   3.599   3.959
25 Sep 2013 3.289   3.409   3.529   3.959
01 Oct 2013 3.189   3.309   3.429   3.599


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices going DOWN

2013-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley

Craig wrote:

Usually we post on how much fuel prices have gone up. Yesterday we had a
DROP of $ 0.36 in the price of diesel.


Around here, winter stuff hits by Labor Day.
Less btu but less wax too.
I think it's cheaper, but not 10%.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices going DOWN

2013-10-02 Thread Gary Hurst
i paid 3.40 on monday and felt good about it.  nice to hear it is even
cheaper today!

btw, winn dixie will give you 5 cents off a gallon for every 50 bucks you
spend with them (plus they also will give discounts off purchase of
specific items).  publix will give you 10 bucks off a $50 gas card with $50
purchased for a few days every couple of months.  i only fill up once a
month and do so at roughly 30% discount from pump listed prices, but it
maybe be false economy and i just ought to get everything at costco anyway


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 Usually we post on how much fuel prices have gone up. Yesterday we had a
 DROP of $ 0.36 in the price of diesel.

 Our prices have been:

 Reg Mid Super   Diesel
 07 Aug 2013 3.499   3.629   3.759   3.759
 31 Aug 2013 3.459   3.589   3.719   3.899
 04 Sep 2013 3.429   3.559   3.689   3.849
 17 Sep 2013 3.389   3.539   3.689   3.849
 22 Sep 2013 3.339   3.469   3.599   3.959
 25 Sep 2013 3.289   3.409   3.529   3.959
 01 Oct 2013 3.189   3.309   3.429   3.599


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices going DOWN

2013-10-02 Thread Rich Thomas
 Not sure what dizzel is here but yesterday I got gas for $2.99, first 
time under $3 in a long time.


--R


On 10/2/13 7:34 PM, Craig wrote:

Usually we post on how much fuel prices have gone up. Yesterday we had a
DROP of $ 0.36 in the price of diesel.

Our prices have been:

Reg Mid Super   Diesel
07 Aug 2013 3.499   3.629   3.759   3.759
31 Aug 2013 3.459   3.589   3.719   3.899
04 Sep 2013 3.429   3.559   3.689   3.849
17 Sep 2013 3.389   3.539   3.689   3.849
22 Sep 2013 3.339   3.469   3.599   3.959
25 Sep 2013 3.289   3.409   3.529   3.959
01 Oct 2013 3.189   3.309   3.429   3.599


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices going DOWN

2013-10-02 Thread Rick Knoble

On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 Usually we post on how much fuel prices have gone up. Yesterday we had a
 DROP of $ 0.36 in the price of diesel.


It's not an election year, is it...?

Rick
Who thinks TPTB influence fuel prices to influence elections. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread G Mann
I believe the quote if from Mark Twain and said
The most dangerous place in America is Congress, in session.

Could have been Will Rogers.. both were wise men and  before my time.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 16:51:47 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 wrote:

  On 02/10/2013 3:51 PM, WILTON wrote:
 We don't even have a functioning government. ;)
  
   Wilton
  
 
  THAT just might be a good thing.

 Who was it, Will Rogers maybe, that said something to the effect of,
 hold on to your wallets; Congress is in session?


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Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Pair creates home-brewing machine

2013-10-02 Thread Mountain Man
Peter wrote:
 Complete automation?  Gotta be using extract, which means they aren't really
 brewing anyway.  Buy it at the grocery.

Extract - reminds me of a starbucks latte I bought at the ferry pier
years ago in Seattle.  It was a one time purchase so memory, I assume,
fails.  I could swear they were using one of those extract spray
things that they use to serve beer or soft drinks - the thing was on a
long plastic hose.  Did anyone else ever buy starbucks coffee served
that way?  Seemed totally odd years ago, but that was before the third
wave coffee brew movement started.  Third wave seems to have brought
starbucks back to some rational espresso brewing, it seems.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Who likes old bikes?

2013-10-02 Thread Mountain Man
drfatty wrote:
 maybe i'm wrong though and someone who actually knows something will step
 up and bring us into the light

The picture from the Sheldon site that Mitch posted is the Gran Prix
in my basement.  I assembled these bikes at the Schwinn shop in 1970.
Gran Prix was a $120 bike and was one up from the bottom - Record.  If
it has campy gear - I don't know the bike, but I have a low end campy
derailleur sitting in my toolbox, so... I could sell a campy equipped
steel tube Raleigh bike also.  It might be a late '70's real bike or a
cobbled mash-up.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Jim Cathey

We don't even have a functioning government.   ;)


Heh!  Do we ever?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT trucks

2013-10-02 Thread Mountain Man
WILTON wrote:
 ...We don't even have a functioning government.

Speaking of...
Don't we have some furloughed workers on okiebenz?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices going DOWN

2013-10-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Oct 2, 2013 5:12 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


 maybe be false economy and i just
 ought to get everything at costco
 anyway


Costco has done as much as if not more than Wal-Mart to benefit the Chinese
kleptocracy at the expense of American small business in the process of
providing us with all the cheap plastic throwaway crap we will buy.
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices going DOWN

2013-10-02 Thread Gary Hurst
one difference is that costco sells really super nice stuff and walmart
sells garbage

i don't buy a lot of things but mostly food.  i have an odd diet as i
mostly live on produce, especially fresh fruit.  costco stocks a lot of
super nice fruit.  they also stock cave aged cheddar, which i eat about a
pound of a month.  some nice veggie stuff too.  pretty much all of what i'm
talking about here is USA sourced, so i'm not too sure about the plethora
of chinese product.  i jsut don't buy things though and haven't for years.
if anything, i've been divesting of things


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Oct 2, 2013 5:12 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  maybe be false economy and i just
  ought to get everything at costco
  anyway
 

 Costco has done as much as if not more than Wal-Mart to benefit the Chinese
 kleptocracy at the expense of American small business in the process of
 providing us with all the cheap plastic throwaway crap we will buy.
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