Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread Gary Hurst
my mom's friend lives in this place where every time there is a complaint,
they old person is on an ambulance to hollywood memorial hospital for a
week stay on the government dime . i go visit these people and ask them why
they are there.  they say things like i had a little heartburn and now
they won't let me go home . this is repeated with all of these people
several times a year.

call whatever you like but i stand by my statement


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since my Dad was in assisted living for a year (Alzheimer's), and I managed
 the whole thing, I can call BS on this one. Not even close. I don't know
 where these lies come from.


 On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i get back to the example of every elderly headache in assisted living
  costs $200k.  most people just go into the system when told to.  very few
  are like me and gordon who will tell them to stfu about any ambulance
  and
  leave us alone
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread Gary Hurst
we are alone here in our perspective, gordon.  we wear the snowy river hat
and walk the snowy river walk.


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comwrote:

 Gary wrote:
  more money grab in the last days of a broken society on its deathbed
 

 +1
 Does anyone else see things this way?
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread Gary Hurst
if you quit eating garbage and spent an hour a day in some sort of
movement, you'd never have a need for a doctor.  or you can choose a life
of dependency on big pharma instead


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:48 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 The group is independent of insurance programs, retains privileges at
 hospitals, and has a set annual fee based on age.  Much less expensive to
 be a young buck, since you do not bother showing up for more than flu
 shots, and your physical.  Old farts pay more, since you are more likely to
 have wear related issues.  Really aged people pay top dollar, but still
 under $5k per annum.

 If I suffer some manner of illness or injury, I call and can get in that
 day, within hours, for treatment.   There is no co pay, no forms, no
 screwing around.  They perform standard lab testing on site, simple
 radiographic diagnostics, and keep a swift response on call medico who will
 resolve your issue then, instead of making you chat up a nurse or call
 center, then wait for hours to get taken care of.  This is the old
 fashioned doctor program.

 Make a google search for your location to see a list of providers.

 clay

 On Mar 30, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

  What is healthcare?
  It sounds like most of the dialog is about insco?
  Clay - tell us more about this concierge medical, please.  Is there an
  association of concierge medical to find local doc in other parts of
  the country?
  Thanks.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Gary Hurst
dan is out of the school biz.  the public schools are an absolute and total
loss.  we need to go back to the old way, where the dumb kids were at work
at 14 and the really bright ones went to princeton.  instead we fund
another stupid government scam and spout buzzwords to confuse the idiotic
masses to support it

maybe today we just need schools so we can have a war on drugs at the
schools . not really sure what other purpose they serve


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comwrote:

 I watched this video today.
 It is about Common Core - the new education curriculum being pushed.
 Among us mostly old guys, I suspect there are very few of us with kids
 in school, so it really is off-topic, except that it seems sad.  It
 really is beyond my interest but it seems sad if interesting.  Perhaps
 Dan or other professionals in education can defeat some of what is
 being said by this video that is decidedly negative against Common
 Core.  Is it really as bad as it sounds?

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBClx01jc

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Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD

2014-04-01 Thread Dwight Giles
My 73 Land Rover was positive earth.
On Mar 31, 2014 9:41 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 how am I supposed to know this? [positive vs negative ground]


 You look, or use a meter.  The last positive ground vehicle
 I can think of is, I _think_, a VW beetle.  Old one, 6V.

 It's just a convention, and there's little technical reason
 to have it one way vs the other.  (Possibly some corrosion
 differences, which is why telegraph and teletype have the
 voltage conventions they do.)

 But like matter and antimatter, whether mere convention or not,
 the difference is _important_!  Don't cross the streams.

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Re: [MBZ] You know you want these

2014-04-01 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com

Where's the spinners?  You can't pimp out a car without spinners.
Also, why buy the whole wheel if you aren't going to have spinners.  
Walmart has genuine imitation Testerossa hub cabs for less than $20 per 
set.  I have them on my 240D and they look cool.

Gerry

On 3/31/2014 10:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Wilton will go buy a Costco membership just for this

http://www.costco.com/.product.11525150.html?EMID=B2C_2014_0331_April_OnlineOnlyOffers 



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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Average annual physicians salaries in U.S. after 21 to 25 years of 
education at a cost of thousands of dollars.  Wealthy?  No, just in the 
upper middle class along with lawyers and many small businessmen.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/physicians-and-surgeons.htm
Gerry

I did not read that to be a general program, but am aware of private trauma 
centers that operate in that manner.  No waiting for administrators to shuffle 
papers around while you are waiting for the wetbacks and poor to hack loogies 
on the floor or barf on your feet.  Guaranteed access to swift treatment can be 
worth the payment.  Not to me. I expect to drop dead long before the death 
wagon comes to drag my carcass to the hospital.

clay


On Mar 30, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just
becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the
meter starts at a base of 35 grand.  if the ambulance brings you there and
the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok.  i
think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand.


On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:


Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals
and insurance companies.  The cost to provide is not really that high.  The
game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody
is getting poor on their side.  The hospitals have a Charge Book that has
prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice.   Exorbitant price so
they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down.  No two
hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than
the actual true cost.  On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers.
Aspirin at $10 a pill.  Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no
way based on reality of costs.  Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple
of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of
paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside
attention.

My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider.  The hoops and
machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying.  The
patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for
payment at the higher fee.  Insurance company got your cash, and fights
hard to not pay for service.  SiL moved from the claims denial branch to
the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally
to keep people from accessing health care.  Now she streamlines getting a
major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs.





On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages

but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications,
hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER
and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc.

Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as

being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence

beyond

elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of
instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have

today


On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:


That's actually a good thing isn't it?  Where is it written that every
physician has to be wealthy.


On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a
seagull?

A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes.

ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week...

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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread rogerhga
-2 
mao 
We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society / deathbed. 
Some may disagree, and personally I don't care, but Ronald Reagan brought us 
back from Jimmy Carter. Now we need someone to bring us back from this equally 
worthless Barack Obama. I don't know who it will be, but we desperately need 
someone or else this mighty ship and crew will be lost (just like Gilligan). 
Just my opinion, others are welcome to theirs. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] 115 headliner, jabba the hurst

2014-04-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
No I'm not, I wil check me stash first and see what I have. Never heard from 
jabba so I will order from az I guess

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 On Mar 31, 2014, at 10:50 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I have front check straps in good condition, if you are not put off by used 
 parts
 
 clay
 
 On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
 So this 115 I am starting on, has the head liner coming down in the rear 
 corner of the rear windshield.  Anybody messed with that?  Does it require 
 replacement of the headliner to fix?  I assume rear window has to come out?  
 I think I need a seal back there anyway. May need a front one also.  Jabba, 
 what about prices on front and rear windshield seals, headliner, and front 
 door check strap?  Can you get seat pads anymore for these?  If not, what is 
 a source for replacement seat covers, pads etc?
 
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Re: [MBZ] weekend projects

2014-04-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Attaboy

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Finally had the first decent weekend weather in 6 months.  (so much for 
 global warming.  The new ice age is here!)   Took off the passenger door 
 handle and got it to work, put it back.  It was missing the screw at the 
 back, so I found a 6 mm Phillips head screw in the bolt bin, and now the door 
 can be opened from the outside, as designed. It was broken when I got the 
 heap.
 
 Then I tackled the rear window that would not stay up.  Took the panel off, 
 and wound down the regulator.  the arm had grinder marks where the riveted 
 pin had been ground off.  not a good sign.  found the window had a pretty new 
 nylon slide, and the pin was in it.  Pushed the rivet in the hole, and it 
 popped right out.  Hmmm Seems like a job for the welder, but I had already 
 put it away.  It was at the opposite end of the estate, so I didn't want to 
 drag it all they way out front.  H   How about the air hammer, and some 
 riveting action?
 
 First I had to grind the pointy tool pointy again after its recent usage.  
 That done, I tried riveting the center to expand the pin.  two problems:  1. 
 the pin pushed into the nylon block, and didn't stay out.  2. the air hammer 
 chisel bounced off the end of the pin.  I tried a different tactic.  riveting 
 the side of the pin next to the regulator arm.  that worked well. Did that at 
 2 places 90º apart, and it seemed to stay put.  Success!  Put it back 
 together again.
 
 Earlier I took the one fender off the coleman trailer and welded washers into 
 where the lower bolt holes used to be.  I took the other fender that had 
 fallen off on I20 in Jackson, MS at night, and welded washers in where all 4 
 bolt holes used to be.  scraped and painted the fenders and then put them on 
 the trailer.   Also soldered on a new plug on the trailer wiring.
 
 All in all, a catheyesque weekend.  total expenditure, a couple feet of FC 
 wire, and a couple bucks worth of bolts, and a half cheap rattle can of spray 
 paint.
 
 That and turning the compost bins, and raking and hauling leaves to the 
 compost bin filled up the weekend,  Sun night, grilled a couple of excellent 
 sirloin steaks ($3.99/lb on sale)   I thought the double compost bin with 
 each side holding 220 cubic feet was way overkill, but in the fall both sides 
 were filled, and it took quite a bit of stomping to get all the spring leaves 
 in.
 
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Re: [MBZ] weekend projects

2014-04-01 Thread Jim Cathey

Dead battery, but the alternator is putting out 13.5 V


Bad diode can still result in good (-ish) voltage, but still
have other ills.  Or you have a leak.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] weekend projects

2014-04-01 Thread Rich Thomas
I fixed one of the regulators on the TD with a small bolt but I had to 
grind the top and nut off a bit to get it to clear the other bits.


--R


On 4/1/14 12:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Pushed the rivet in the hole, and it popped right out.


Anvil, cold chisel, BFH.  I used the point of the
tipped-back anvil in the slider, and whacked the
chisel into the button with the BFH to embed a
cross in the button, spreading out the metal.
Still there!  (Had to remove regulator from door
to do all this, and enlist a second set of hands.)

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Re: [MBZ] weekend projects

2014-04-01 Thread WILTON

ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 12:03 AM
Subject: [MBZ] weekend projects


Finally had the first decent weekend weather in 6
months.  (so much for global warming.  The new
ice age is here!)   Took off the passenger door
handle and got it to work, put it back.  It was
missing the screw at the back, so I found a 6 mm
Phillips head screw in the bolt bin, and now the
door can be opened from the outside, as designed.
It was broken when I got the heap.

Then I tackled the rear window that would not
stay up.  Took the panel off, and wound down
the regulator.  the arm had grinder marks where
the riveted pin had been ground off.  not a good
sign.  found the window had a pretty new nylon
slide, and the pin was in it.  Pushed the rivet
in the hole, and it popped right out.  Hmmm
Seems like a job for the welder, but I had
already put it away.  It was at the opposite end
of the estate, so I didn't want to drag it all
they way out front.  H   How about the air
hammer, and some riveting action?

First I had to grind the pointy tool pointy again
after its recent usage.  That done, I tried
riveting the center to expand the pin.  two
problems:  1. the pin pushed into the nylon
block, and didn't stay out.  2. the air hammer
chisel bounced off the end of the pin.  I tried a
different tactic.  riveting the side of the pin
next to the regulator arm.  that worked well.
Did that at 2 places 90º apart, and it seemed to
stay put.  Success!  Put it back together again.

Earlier I took the one fender off the coleman
trailer and welded washers into where the lower
bolt holes used to be.  I took the other fender
that had fallen off on I20 in Jackson, MS at
night, and welded washers in where all 4 bolt
holes used to be.  scraped and painted the
fenders and then put them on the trailer.   Also
soldered on a new plug on the trailer wiring.

All in all, a catheyesque weekend.  total
expenditure, a couple feet of FC wire, and a
couple bucks worth of bolts, and a half cheap
rattle can of spray paint.

That and turning the compost bins, and raking and
hauling leaves to the compost bin filled up the
weekend,  Sun night, grilled a couple of
excellent sirloin steaks ($3.99/lb on sale)   I
thought the double compost bin with each side
holding 220 cubic feet was way overkill, but in
the fall both sides were filled, and it took
quite a bit of stomping to get all the spring
leaves in.

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Re: [MBZ] weekend projects

2014-04-01 Thread WILTON

Yep, 'nother ATTABOY!

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] weekend projects



I finally got my antenna up, wire strung from the hangar roof (ground plane
for the vertical antenna) to the house (200ft.) and got the radio on the
air after almost three years. Found a contest under way and managed to
score 23 countries representing most continents except Africa and
Antarctica in four hours. Not bad for a rusty old ham and obsolete (15 yrs
old) equipment. Can't forget that I also shot touch-and-goes on our 2500
ft. grass runway.


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Re: [MBZ] weekend projects

2014-04-01 Thread WILTON

'Nother ATTABOY!

Wilton

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From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] weekend projects


I fixed one of the regulators on the TD with a small bolt but I had to 
grind the top and nut off a bit to get it to clear the other bits.


--R


On 4/1/14 12:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Pushed the rivet in the hole, and it popped right out.


Anvil, cold chisel, BFH.  I used the point of the
tipped-back anvil in the slider, and whacked the
chisel into the button with the BFH to embed a
cross in the button, spreading out the metal.
Still there!  (Had to remove regulator from door
to do all this, and enlist a second set of hands.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD

2014-04-01 Thread Randy Bennell

On 31/03/2014 8:41 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

how am I supposed to know this? [positive vs negative ground]


You look, or use a meter.  The last positive ground vehicle
I can think of is, I _think_, a VW beetle.  Old one, 6V.

It's just a convention, and there's little technical reason
to have it one way vs the other.  (Possibly some corrosion
differences, which is why telegraph and teletype have the
voltage conventions they do.)

But like matter and antimatter, whether mere convention or not,
the difference is _important_!  Don't cross the streams.

-- Jim




I had a 1964 Anglia that was 12V and posative ground.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
What age group are you taking about? High school level?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:47 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 First, for the record, I'm old, kids are out of college and I'm out of the
 kids in school business.  However, I belong to a group of people who have
 taken the time to actually read the books which are to be used to teach the
 common core classrooms.
 
 If you were educated any time before 1990 you WOULD NOT BELIEVE what these
 books hold.  History has been re-written. The books are populated with
 anti-american bias that will set your teeth on edge, unless you are a
 radical islamic or a committed communist... then you will be so happy.
 
 By the way, the Powers That Be would not release the books to us for
 study.. we had to go there, set and read through them in place like it was
 some government secret what children would be taught.  The over reach
 attitude did not set well. It was I'm from government and I own your
 children. We will do what we want to them from the first moment.
 
 Very high concern was reflected by the entire group. This is not the
 direction we want American children to be lead into if America is to
 survive as the Greatest and Richest Nation in recorded history.
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 dan is out of the school biz.  the public schools are an absolute and total
 loss.  we need to go back to the old way, where the dumb kids were at work
 at 14 and the really bright ones went to princeton.  instead we fund
 another stupid government scam and spout buzzwords to confuse the idiotic
 masses to support it
 
 maybe today we just need schools so we can have a war on drugs at the
 schools . not really sure what other purpose they serve
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I watched this video today.
 It is about Common Core - the new education curriculum being pushed.
 Among us mostly old guys, I suspect there are very few of us with kids
 in school, so it really is off-topic, except that it seems sad.  It
 really is beyond my interest but it seems sad if interesting.  Perhaps
 Dan or other professionals in education can defeat some of what is
 being said by this video that is decidedly negative against Common
 Core.  Is it really as bad as it sounds?
 
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBClx01jc
 
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread G Mann
First, for the record, I'm old, kids are out of college and I'm out of the
kids in school business.  However, I belong to a group of people who have
taken the time to actually read the books which are to be used to teach the
common core classrooms.

If you were educated any time before 1990 you WOULD NOT BELIEVE what these
books hold.  History has been re-written. The books are populated with
anti-american bias that will set your teeth on edge, unless you are a
radical islamic or a committed communist... then you will be so happy.

By the way, the Powers That Be would not release the books to us for
study.. we had to go there, set and read through them in place like it was
some government secret what children would be taught.  The over reach
attitude did not set well. It was I'm from government and I own your
children. We will do what we want to them from the first moment.

Very high concern was reflected by the entire group. This is not the
direction we want American children to be lead into if America is to
survive as the Greatest and Richest Nation in recorded history.


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 dan is out of the school biz.  the public schools are an absolute and total
 loss.  we need to go back to the old way, where the dumb kids were at work
 at 14 and the really bright ones went to princeton.  instead we fund
 another stupid government scam and spout buzzwords to confuse the idiotic
 masses to support it

 maybe today we just need schools so we can have a war on drugs at the
 schools . not really sure what other purpose they serve


 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I watched this video today.
  It is about Common Core - the new education curriculum being pushed.
  Among us mostly old guys, I suspect there are very few of us with kids
  in school, so it really is off-topic, except that it seems sad.  It
  really is beyond my interest but it seems sad if interesting.  Perhaps
  Dan or other professionals in education can defeat some of what is
  being said by this video that is decidedly negative against Common
  Core.  Is it really as bad as it sounds?
 
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBClx01jc
 
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Rich Thomas

Just an interesting fact you all might find disturbing:

The entire US high school population is outnumbered in both India and 
China by the top 10% (in achievement, etc.) of their students.


From what little I know about the CC, it does not appear it will 
address the fact above very well.


Another interesting demographic fact:  In a few years the majority of 
new children will be minority (i.e., black and hispanic).  In the 
black demographic 72% are born to single mothers/single parent homes, 
and I think the hispanic number is fairly similar but they tend to have 
a larger social structure.  Good child school performance correlates 
strongly with 2-parent households.  You can figure out where all that is 
headed.


--R


On 4/1/14 1:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

What age group are you taking about? High school level?

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:47 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

First, for the record, I'm old, kids are out of college and I'm out of the
kids in school business.  However, I belong to a group of people who have
taken the time to actually read the books which are to be used to teach the
common core classrooms.

If you were educated any time before 1990 you WOULD NOT BELIEVE what these
books hold.  History has been re-written. The books are populated with
anti-american bias that will set your teeth on edge, unless you are a
radical islamic or a committed communist... then you will be so happy.

By the way, the Powers That Be would not release the books to us for
study.. we had to go there, set and read through them in place like it was
some government secret what children would be taught.  The over reach
attitude did not set well. It was I'm from government and I own your
children. We will do what we want to them from the first moment.

Very high concern was reflected by the entire group. This is not the
direction we want American children to be lead into if America is to
survive as the Greatest and Richest Nation in recorded history.



On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

dan is out of the school biz.  the public schools are an absolute and total
loss.  we need to go back to the old way, where the dumb kids were at work
at 14 and the really bright ones went to princeton.  instead we fund
another stupid government scam and spout buzzwords to confuse the idiotic
masses to support it

maybe today we just need schools so we can have a war on drugs at the
schools . not really sure what other purpose they serve


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com

wrote:
I watched this video today.
It is about Common Core - the new education curriculum being pushed.
Among us mostly old guys, I suspect there are very few of us with kids
in school, so it really is off-topic, except that it seems sad.  It
really is beyond my interest but it seems sad if interesting.  Perhaps
Dan or other professionals in education can defeat some of what is
being said by this video that is decidedly negative against Common
Core.  Is it really as bad as it sounds?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBClx01jc

mao





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[MBZ] Fwd: Facebook - was: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -

2014-04-01 Thread Tim Crone
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 In order to even see your listings on Facebook, I am required to JOIN
  facebook. Immediately upon joining facebook my entire contact with the
 internet is suddenly overwhelmed with popups and trash generated by my


I personally have no objection to the trash (never had popups), but it is
simple enough to live the life of a hermit on Facebook unless you have a
shockingly unusual name.  You can block people from seeing all other
information about you - and therefore you are private insofar as your name
is lost in a sea of other identical names.  I know a number of folks who
have taken this approach, and have just a few friends they follow.


 contact with facebook. Something I very much do not desire. Suddenly, I
 have emails from companies and people who I have no desire to have contact
 with ONLY by virtue of having ONCE made contact with, and joined


Why is he following companies and people on FB if he doesn't want to talk
with them?  You can select to not get e-mails for friend requests, I
turned that off quickly.

Both before and after FB I have gotten lots of e-mails from companies and
people with whom I have no desire to communicate through e-mail.  I usually
ignore and/or filter them.  If anything the frequency has gone down
post-FB, but that's probably because I stopped rolling my own spam filters
and went to Gmail exclusively.


 facebook. It then takes nothing short of overwhelming effort to remove
 yourself from all those contact points that have been generated without
 your agreement.


It is a lot more difficult to get removed from spam, FWIW.  My wife gave
out my real e-mail address to a local business, eventually I took it to
the BBB to get them to actually remove me. On FB you can just block people,
or stop e-mails getting sent from FB's settings menu - another company
isn't supposed to use your real e-mail address unless you explicitly give
it to them.

The upside of having a FB account is for communicating with people who use
FB to communicate, and for multicast messages.  I found out my maternal
grandfather was in the hospital at least three hours before my mother,
because my aunt sent her family group a private message on FB before she
started calling.  I have at least one friend who rarely checks his personal
e-mail, but is on FB frequently enough that I sometimes catch him for lunch
as late as 11:30.  Different people use the internet different ways, so
having diverse accounts - even if rarely used - makes it a lot easier to
communicate.

Also, I like to see pictures of my nieces and nephews, but not enough to
hassle my sister.  If I log in every couple weeks I can click through my
family's postings pretty quickly.  I understand my mother does the same.


 It is, in my considered opinion, the social and electronic equal to
 deliberately giving yourself herpes.


...also how I feel about having e-mail.  And yet there it is, I in fact do
have e-mail addresses.


 It's very rare to find somebody who is both active and authentic, it
 seems like the primary impetus for people posting on Facebook is to make
 others envious or to just facilitate a user's own sense of grandeur.


I think that's equally true of life in general.

You can block people, just like with e-mail, or not friend them in the
first place... or just never read status messages.  Mostly I just log in
when I get an e-mail that I have a new message, or someone has uploaded a
picture of 'me' (which is usually one of my kids, since they don't have FB
accounts), or if I want to contact someone that uses FB more than e-mail -
or if the kids say something silly enough that I want to remember it later.

I am surprised by the knee-jerk reactions against FB (in the other thread
more than this one), just like I'm surprised by the knee-jerk reactions
against EVs.  Nobody is making you use it, but it is a convenient
communications medium that happens to address some of the issues of other
electronic communications formats.  I'm just trying to present the
affirmative defense here. :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Tim Crone
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Just an interesting fact you all might find disturbing:

 The entire US high school population is outnumbered in both India and
 China by the top 10% (in achievement, etc.) of their students.


Also outnumbered by the lowest 10%, by any metric you'd like to choose.
 Does that make you feel better?


 From what little I know about the CC, it does not appear it will address
 the fact above very well.


Thinking of starting a teen pregnancy program in the SC schools?  I hear
they've already got it going on.


 Another interesting demographic fact:  In a few years the majority of new
 children will be minority (i.e., black and hispanic).  In the black
 demographic 72% are born to single mothers/single parent homes, and I
 think the hispanic number is fairly similar but they tend to have a larger
 social structure.  Good child school performance correlates strongly with
 2-parent households.  You can figure out where all that is headed.


Will the majority of the old children still be majority in a few years?
 Maybe since I lived in Durham for so long I don't see why this is a
problem.  Social structures yes, but that didn't seem racially divergent in
Durham at least.

(For non-Carolinians, Durham historically had a lot of wealthy blacks; it
was home to Black Wall Street.  Presently there are natives from many
different genetic histories across economic classes, unlike in some other
cities where natives who are non-white are more likely to be poor.)

My kids went to
http://www.greatschools.org/north-carolina/durham/616-Lakewood-Elementary/?tab=demographics
where they were clearly a minority.  There were a number of smart kids, the
school did a good job of keeping them together.  Overall they learned a
lot.  Also a lot of dumb kids, kids who couldn't speak or write English,
etc.

They now go to
http://www.greatschools.org/north-carolina/chapel-hill/7698-Morris-Grove-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
My son's writing was below grade level, but otherwise both he and my
daughter started the year well above their peers in this well-to-do school.
 A much lower bottom but the top is about the same.

In my observation parents being interested in their children's education,
and talking them through difficulties, has a lot more to do with student
success than their height, hair, skin, or eye color.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Randy Bennell

https://www.google.ca/#q=england+adopts+sharia+law


This scares the you know what out of me.
Canada is so mamby pamby on this sort of thing that it will probably 
come to us too.


Our young Mr. Trudeau wants to be PM and hangs out with this crowd 
telling them how he can fix things for them.


It is truly rediculous.



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Re: [MBZ] weekend projects

2014-04-01 Thread Randy Bennell

On 01/04/2014 8:22 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Dead battery, but the alternator is putting out 13.5 V


Bad diode can still result in good (-ish) voltage, but still
have other ills.  Or you have a leak.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Oh please, quit whining.  Move to Canada.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:44 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:

 -2
 mao
 We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society /
 deathbed. Some may disagree, and personally I don't care, but Ronald Reagan
 brought us back from Jimmy Carter. Now we need someone to bring us back
 from this equally worthless Barack Obama. I don't know who it will be, but
 we desperately need someone or else this mighty ship and crew will be lost
 (just like Gilligan). Just my opinion, others are welcome to theirs.
 Best Wishes,
 Roger
 Roger Hale
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
 Monroe, Ga.
 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Gary Hurst
where it's at not is that the good student are better than ever, the middle
ground is disappearing and the vast majority have no reason to be there and
stand simply to be slaves forever to the top kids

i judge debate.  the top kids are GREAT . much better than in my day


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Just an interesting fact you all might find disturbing:

 The entire US high school population is outnumbered in both India and
 China by the top 10% (in achievement, etc.) of their students.

 From what little I know about the CC, it does not appear it will address
 the fact above very well.

 Another interesting demographic fact:  In a few years the majority of new
 children will be minority (i.e., black and hispanic).  In the black
 demographic 72% are born to single mothers/single parent homes, and I
 think the hispanic number is fairly similar but they tend to have a larger
 social structure.  Good child school performance correlates strongly with
 2-parent households.  You can figure out where all that is headed.

 --R



 On 4/1/14 1:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 What age group are you taking about? High school level?

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:47 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 First, for the record, I'm old, kids are out of college and I'm out of
 the
 kids in school business.  However, I belong to a group of people who
 have
 taken the time to actually read the books which are to be used to teach
 the
 common core classrooms.

 If you were educated any time before 1990 you WOULD NOT BELIEVE what
 these
 books hold.  History has been re-written. The books are populated with
 anti-american bias that will set your teeth on edge, unless you are a
 radical islamic or a committed communist... then you will be so happy.

 By the way, the Powers That Be would not release the books to us for
 study.. we had to go there, set and read through them in place like it
 was
 some government secret what children would be taught.  The over reach
 attitude did not set well. It was I'm from government and I own your
 children. We will do what we want to them from the first moment.

 Very high concern was reflected by the entire group. This is not the
 direction we want American children to be lead into if America is to
 survive as the Greatest and Richest Nation in recorded history.


  On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 dan is out of the school biz.  the public schools are an absolute and
 total
 loss.  we need to go back to the old way, where the dumb kids were at
 work
 at 14 and the really bright ones went to princeton.  instead we fund
 another stupid government scam and spout buzzwords to confuse the
 idiotic
 masses to support it

 maybe today we just need schools so we can have a war on drugs at the
 schools . not really sure what other purpose they serve


 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com

 wrote:
 I watched this video today.
 It is about Common Core - the new education curriculum being pushed.
 Among us mostly old guys, I suspect there are very few of us with kids
 in school, so it really is off-topic, except that it seems sad.  It
 really is beyond my interest but it seems sad if interesting.  Perhaps
 Dan or other professionals in education can defeat some of what is
 being said by this video that is decidedly negative against Common
 Core.  Is it really as bad as it sounds?

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBClx01jc

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Michael Canfield
Do some more research.  That is not what it is all about.  With Common Core
there is no time to teach.  Each lesson is provided on a daily basis and on
to the next the very next day with no time for the teacher to pass on the
info.  How can every student learn every lesson in 1 hour or less?  Common
core is for sheeple.
  Even our teachers are mostly against common core.

Mike
On Apr 1, 2014 12:10 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 I believe there are some problems with Common Core, but they are, so far
 as I can tell, mostly lack of clarity and lack of teaching materials.
 Hard to produce a set of textbooks following the curriculum in a matter of
 months.

 Indiana just ditched Common Core, but that is all about

 I cannot fathom the notion that there would be very much difference
 between that and any other standard curriculum unless there are some really
 bad ones out there -- after all, humans have been recording how to teach
 children for around 3000 years now.  Can't be THAT much new under the sun.

 Most of the criticism of Common Core is that it's NIH (not invented
 here) and hence, since it's a Federal Standard, must be spawn of the devil
 and proponents must be burned at the stake as heretics with much howling
 and gnashing of teeth.

 The notion that local standards are better than a national one is a crock
 of excrement.  I seriously doubt some flyspeck down at the end of a dirt
 road is gonna come up with something better.  It's all about cranking up
 the radical right religious base, not education.

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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread Randy Bennell

Come on up.

We might let Andrew in too.

Randy

On 01/04/2014 3:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Oh please, quit whining.  Move to Canada.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:44 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:


-2
mao
We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society /
deathbed. Some may disagree, and personally I don't care, but Ronald Reagan
brought us back from Jimmy Carter. Now we need someone to bring us back
from this equally worthless Barack Obama. I don't know who it will be, but
we desperately need someone or else this mighty ship and crew will be lost
(just like Gilligan). Just my opinion, others are welcome to theirs.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale




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[MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread Van Knutson
We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society / deathbed. 
Some may disagree, and personally I don't care, but Ronald Reagan brought us 
back from Jimmy Carter. Now we need someone to bring us back from this equally 
worthless Barack Obama. I don't know who it will be, but we desperately need 
someone or else this mighty ship and crew will be lost (just like Gilligan). 
Just my opinion, others are welcome to theirs. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 


The market always self corrects, with or without the intervention of the next 
president.  Sometimes you have to correct hard, like in 1929, and then rebuild 
the country.  One way or the other, we will see the solution to this.

DBV
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Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread Dan Penoff
I would point out that Carter is the only president in current history to not 
have a shot fired during his presidency.

Watch him on Bill Maher this week, it's worth seeing.

Dan


On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Van Knutson wrote:

 
 The market always self corrects, with or without the intervention of the next 
 president.  Sometimes you have to correct hard, like in 1929, and then 
 rebuild the country.  One way or the other, we will see the solution to this.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread Rick Knoble
Ford had some shots fired at him.  Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Dan PenoffSent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:53 PMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListReply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economyI would point out that Carter is the only president in current history to not have a shot fired during his presidency.Watch him on Bill Maher this week, it's worth seeing.Dan

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[MBZ] POOS SL

2014-04-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Thinking about buying this, what do you think?

http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/4399075777.html

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Re: [MBZ] POOS SL

2014-04-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Dunno.  Would have to see it in person.

Some things I would definitely ask:

Service records?
Check top hydraulics (look for leaks and check the pump/reservoir under the 
spare tire)

97 and later are the better years, as they have the better tranny and no issues 
with evaporators and wiring harnesses.

Not sure what that last picture is, but heck, it's got light wipers!

The M119 engine is pretty bulletproof.  You already know about the 722.6xx 
tranny, so that's something to check out.

Otherwise it looks pretty good for the money.  I don't care for the blue on 
blue color scheme, but if anything, that works in your favor as it's not 
particularly attractive.

Dan



On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Thinking about buying this, what do you think?
 
 http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/4399075777.html
 
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[MBZ] SINCE WHEN (ot)

2014-04-01 Thread G. M. Brown
SINCE WHEN DID THIS LIST'S EMPHASIS CHANGE TO POLITICS?  WHY NOT DETERIORATE 
FURTHER TO ARGUMENTS REGARDING RELIGION?

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Dan Penoff
The biggest problem with all this educational garbage is that no one will stick 
with anything long enough to determine if it's effective.  Floriduh is all 
about the bright shiny educational theory, and in doing so, doesn't have enough 
consistency to have collected enough data for any sort of realistic statistical 
studies of he results.

Floriduh, thanks to our idiot governor, Rick Scott (also known as Skeletor) has 
abandoned Common Core on a national level and is now going to do their own 
thing, whatever the heck that will be.

The worst part about this is that teachers continue to be attacked for their 
incompetence along with being beaten by the Value Added system, which the way 
that Floriduh administers it, is the professional equivalent of having a red 
hot poker shoved in just about any bodily orifice that's handy.

Let me posit this to the group:

How would you like your performance review and ultimately your potential for a 
raise or bonus be determined by the performance of people in your company that 
you don't even work with?  Had I been in a school doing my IT stuff and 
employed as an instructional person, my ability to get a raise would be based 
on the sum total of the academic performance of EVERY student in the school.  
That's even if I never ONCE instructed them or had any kind of interaction 
whatsoever.

Sounds fair, eh?

Dan don't get me started about education in Floriduh Man


On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

 Do some more research.  That is not what it is all about.  With Common Core
 there is no time to teach.  Each lesson is provided on a daily basis and on
 to the next the very next day with no time for the teacher to pass on the
 info.  How can every student learn every lesson in 1 hour or less?  Common
 core is for sheeple.
  Even our teachers are mostly against common core.
 
 Mike


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Re: [MBZ] SINCE WHEN (ot)

2014-04-01 Thread Dwight Giles
Amen brother
On Apr 1, 2014 6:22 PM, G. M. Brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote:

 SINCE WHEN DID THIS LIST'S EMPHASIS CHANGE TO POLITICS?  WHY NOT
 DETERIORATE FURTHER TO ARGUMENTS REGARDING RELIGION?

 G. M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread G Mann
U... Iran Embassy takeover.. hostages held for the entire duration of
Carters office?  And no shots fired.. yes .. that was a success, wasn't
it?  {All Embassy holdings are considered by all nations as Sovereign Soil
of the Nation Embassy} ...

Sorry... I can't count that as a score for the leader of America.. Your
personal tastes given all due respect.

Repeat, with current administration. Add death of the Ambassador... Sorry..
still second rate.

Some else just posted a complaint that the list has degraded to politics
and perhaps we should argue religion.. hmm..
I kindly submit the following:
1. Oil threads have all been resolved.
2. Everyone's much loved Mercedes is preforming as designed and virtually
unbroken [apparently].
3. Garry and all detractors have gone civil.
4. SHMBO is apparently satisfied with list members [husbands or SO's]
5. The unemployed are now employed, or search directed.

What's left to complain about except politics?  And,, it's such a handy
scape goat... comedians do it daily, we listen and are entertained..
Perhaps we are taking ourselves to seriously to consider that we have
sufficient intellect to understand and discuss complex social issues
without vilifying other list members.. but to date.. I see only civil
social discourse plainly spoken..

I will say, however, the last words I heard from a lifetime atheist in
Vietnam in 1968 under fire was Oooohh God.  I've always wondered how that
worked out..




On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I would point out that Carter is the only president in current history to
 not have a shot fired during his presidency.

 Watch him on Bill Maher this week, it's worth seeing.

 Dan


 On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Van Knutson wrote:

  
  The market always self corrects, with or without the intervention of the
 next president.  Sometimes you have to correct hard, like in 1929, and then
 rebuild the country.  One way or the other, we will see the solution to
 this.
 
  DBV
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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread Mountain Man
Gary wrote:
 we are alone here in our perspective, gordon.  we wear the snowy river hat
 and walk the snowy river walk.

Okay, we can do that - it's good company.
Anyone else?  Tell us this is not the american way?
I say it is part of the JFK ask what you can do for your country.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] POOS SL

2014-04-01 Thread Mountain Man
Kaleb wrote:
 Thinking about buying this, what do you think?

Kaleb joins geezer clan.
Another 'stang.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] SINCE WHEN (ot)

2014-04-01 Thread Mountain Man
Dwight wrote:
 Amen brother

Holy...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread Mountain Man
Grant wrote:
 ...perhaps we should argue religion...

Again, holy...
Yeah, lets do religion.
Or, perhaps we hack okiebenz to broke and then bring it back after a
month and we can all tell what wonderful things we are doing now that
our benz is broke and thrown away.  I bet my 3-pedal benz will still
be okay.
mao

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[MBZ] MBZ Diesel Spin-offs

2014-04-01 Thread Scott Ritchey
One of the great things about wrenching on my 300TD and 300SD and reading
this list is the Diesel knowledge I gained.  Probably like most, all my
previous experience was with gassers.  Since I owned two Diesel sail boats
and nor a Diesel tractor (plus the 300SD) and this Diesel knowledge had
really paid off.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Scott Ritchey
IMO, it's time (well, long past time) to bust the trusts of the education
monopoly.  The question is how?  Abolishing the US Depart of Education
would be a good start.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 1:47 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...
 
 First, for the record, I'm old, kids are out of college and I'm out of the
 kids in school business.  However, I belong to a group of people who
 have
 taken the time to actually read the books which are to be used to teach
 the
 common core classrooms.
 
 If you were educated any time before 1990 you WOULD NOT BELIEVE what these
 books hold.  History has been re-written. The books are populated with
 anti-american bias that will set your teeth on edge, unless you are a
 radical islamic or a committed communist... then you will be so happy.
 
 By the way, the Powers That Be would not release the books to us for
 study.. we had to go there, set and read through them in place like it was
 some government secret what children would be taught.  The over reach
 attitude did not set well. It was I'm from government and I own your
 children. We will do what we want to them from the first moment.
 
 Very high concern was reflected by the entire group. This is not the
 direction we want American children to be lead into if America is to
 survive as the Greatest and Richest Nation in recorded history.
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD

2014-04-01 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Tis a good idea to connect the battery charger to the terminals and THEN 
switch on the charger, more importantly switch off battery charger and 
then remove the clips from battery.


Hendrik
who has an el cheapo charger

On 01/04/14 05:45, Rich Thomas wrote:
It is a negative ground.  I just clip both to the battery posts (red + 
, black -) or you can do the thing with the black clamp to something 
bare metal, which is to minimize sparking when attaching/detaching the 
clamps, which could ignite the gases that come out the battery when 
charging (hydrogen and maybe some sulfurous stuff).


But you can live dangerously!

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)

2014-04-01 Thread clay
I do not play with big pharma

I like my Doc, so it is worth the fee to retain access.  He understands my 
choice to only seek the least amount of care 

clay

On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 if you quit eating garbage and spent an hour a day in some sort of
 movement, you'd never have a need for a doctor.  or you can choose a life
 of dependency on big pharma instead
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:48 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The group is independent of insurance programs, retains privileges at
 hospitals, and has a set annual fee based on age.  Much less expensive to
 be a young buck, since you do not bother showing up for more than flu
 shots, and your physical.  Old farts pay more, since you are more likely to
 have wear related issues.  Really aged people pay top dollar, but still
 under $5k per annum.
 
 If I suffer some manner of illness or injury, I call and can get in that
 day, within hours, for treatment.   There is no co pay, no forms, no
 screwing around.  They perform standard lab testing on site, simple
 radiographic diagnostics, and keep a swift response on call medico who will
 resolve your issue then, instead of making you chat up a nurse or call
 center, then wait for hours to get taken care of.  This is the old
 fashioned doctor program.
 
 Make a google search for your location to see a list of providers.
 
 clay
 
 On Mar 30, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
 
 What is healthcare?
 It sounds like most of the dialog is about insco?
 Clay - tell us more about this concierge medical, please.  Is there an
 association of concierge medical to find local doc in other parts of
 the country?
 Thanks.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] SINCE WHEN (ot)

2014-04-01 Thread Dwight Giles
Humor   a plea.
On Apr 1, 2014 7:27 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Dwight wrote:
  Amen brother

 Holy...
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread clay
James Carter had lust in his heart and was afeared of swimming rabbits.  There 
was not enough spine in that man to deal with world issues.  He did have a nice 
gathering at Camp David that had no impact, other than good press.  We had 440 
days of very embarrassing cowardice under his watch.  That he move on to build 
homes, it to be his lasting legacy

clay


On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 I would point out that Carter is the only president in current history to not 
 have a shot fired during his presidency.
 
 Watch him on Bill Maher this week, it's worth seeing.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Van Knutson wrote:
 
 
 The market always self corrects, with or without the intervention of the 
 next president.  Sometimes you have to correct hard, like in 1929, and then 
 rebuild the country.  One way or the other, we will see the solution to this.
 
 DBV
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Scott Ritchey
Not to pick a fight, but isn't that exactly how the world really works?
Companies and countries rise and fall on the decisions and actions of a few
leaders and other key people even if everyone else is doing good work.  I
recall several cases when my company lost money because of the actions of a
few folks working a particular contract and almost nobody got a raise or
bonus.


 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Penoff
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 6:29 PM
 ...
 Let me posit this to the group:
 
 How would you like your performance review and ultimately your potential
 for a raise or bonus be determined by the performance of people in your
 company that you don't even work with?  ...
 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Scott Ritchey

Mark Steyn (a Canadian) has a lot to say on this subject if you care to
watch his videos (e.g. 
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mark+steynislam or read his
books (e.g. 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooksfield
-keywords=mark+steyn.  The demographic data (both native and Islamic) is
compelling.  Will a new Charles Martel emerge on this side of the pond or
will our culture silently surrender in the name of diversity and political
correctness (which is an euphemism for censorship and thought control)?
Maybe we have become Rome.




 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
 Bennell
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 3:13 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...
 
 https://www.google.ca/#q=england+adopts+sharia+law
 
 
 This scares the you know what out of me.
 Canada is so mamby pamby on this sort of thing that it will probably
 come to us too.
 
 Our young Mr. Trudeau wants to be PM and hangs out with this crowd
 telling them how he can fix things for them.
 
 It is truly rediculous.
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...

2014-04-01 Thread Dan Penoff
I should clarify this:

My ability to get an increase in pay and keep my job is not determined by how 
well the students I teach directly perform, but how well students whom I never 
have contact with do. To add to this, a percentage of those student may be 
special ed kids who get tested like mainstream kids despite their inability to 
even understand basic concepts. In other words, they will, without exception, 
fail any and all standardized tests they are given.

I understand the concept of private sector businesses with a few people making 
global decisions that affect all. However, I have never worked for a private 
sector company who evaluated my performance by using the performance of other 
employees to judge mine.

You are saying that if management makes a poor decision that affects the 
company as a whole, everyone suffers. I get that. But - if I do my job well I 
still get recognized for my efforts, even if it is not reflected in 
compensation.  My performance review is not based on the performance of others 
or things I have no direct connection to.

That is the difference.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Not to pick a fight, but isn't that exactly how the world really works?
 Companies and countries rise and fall on the decisions and actions of a few
 leaders and other key people even if everyone else is doing good work.  I
 recall several cases when my company lost money because of the actions of a
 few folks working a particular contract and almost nobody got a raise or
 bonus.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Penoff
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 6:29 PM
 ...
 Let me posit this to the group:
 
 How would you like your performance review and ultimately your potential
 for a raise or bonus be determined by the performance of people in your
 company that you don't even work with?  ...
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Diesel Spin-offs

2014-04-01 Thread Dwight Giles
Yes for me too on my two 240D's, my 300D 2.5t   my 300CD. I hope the list
can maintain some of this diesel wrenching tradition even as it overhauls
education  health care.
On Apr 1, 2014 7:59 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 One of the great things about wrenching on my 300TD and 300SD and reading
 this list is the Diesel knowledge I gained.  Probably like most, all my
 previous experience was with gassers.  Since I owned two Diesel sail boats
 and nor a Diesel tractor (plus the 300SD) and this Diesel knowledge had
 really paid off.

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Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread Dieselhead


The market always self corrects, with or without the intervention of 
the next president.  Sometimes you have to correct hard, like in 
1929, and then rebuild the country.  One way or the other, we will 
see the solution to this.


DBV



THe french society in the late 1700s corrected after the opulence of 
their monarch.  Our monarchy will end the same way, if the economic 
collapse does not come first.


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Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy

2014-04-01 Thread Dieselhead
I would point out that Carter is the only president in current 
history to not have a shot fired during his presidency.


Watch him on Bill Maher this week, it's worth seeing.

Dan

that doesn't save him from being the second worst president in 
history, and the second weakest president in history.BTW, he held 
both records until 5 years ago.


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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Diesel Spin-offs

2014-04-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Hmmm. Diesel driven health care and education? I think we may be on to 
something...

Klatta-klatta

We need to be sure to CHECK THE FUSES, though.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes for me too on my two 240D's, my 300D 2.5t   my 300CD. I hope the list
 can maintain some of this diesel wrenching tradition even as it overhauls
 education  health care.
 On Apr 1, 2014 7:59 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 One of the great things about wrenching on my 300TD and 300SD and reading
 this list is the Diesel knowledge I gained.  Probably like most, all my
 previous experience was with gassers.  Since I owned two Diesel sail boats
 and nor a Diesel tractor (plus the 300SD) and this Diesel knowledge had
 really paid off.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD

2014-04-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That's exactly how I did it!


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tis a good idea to connect the battery charger to the terminals and THEN
 switch on the charger, more importantly switch off battery charger and then
 remove the clips from battery.

 Hendrik
 who has an el cheapo charger

 On 01/04/14 05:45, Rich Thomas wrote:

 It is a negative ground.  I just clip both to the battery posts (red + ,
 black -) or you can do the thing with the black clamp to something bare
 metal, which is to minimize sparking when attaching/detaching the clamps,
 which could ignite the gases that come out the battery when charging
 (hydrogen and maybe some sulfurous stuff).

 But you can live dangerously!

 --R



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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Diesel Spin-offs

2014-04-01 Thread Dieselhead

Yes for me too on my two 240D's, my 300D 2.5t   my 300CD. I hope the list
can maintain some of this diesel wrenching tradition even as it overhauls
education  health care.
On Apr 1, 2014 7:59 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 One of the great things about wrenching on my 300TD and 300SD and reading
 this list is the Diesel knowledge I gained.  Probably like most, all my
 previous experience was with gassers.  Since I owned two Diesel sail boats
 and nor a Diesel tractor (plus the 300SD) and this Diesel knowledge had

  really paid off.
 


Ask away.  I learned diesel mechanics out of necessity in 1972 when 
the recently stealership rebuilt engine in my 200D crapped out on I 
80.  after taking it apart and consulting experts, the only moving 
parts that were reusable were 6 of the 8 valves.  Outside, the IP was 
reused after also being rebuilt.  I have worked on detriot gassers 
and a few MB gassers and quite a few Diesels since then.  Before that 
I was responsible for working on trucks and cars and tractors, and 
motorcycles since I was big enough to turn a wrench or run a wire 
brush or sandpaper to prep stuff for painting.



Lacking MB questions, we talk about other stuff.  There is a great 
talent pool here.  For those who want more MB content, as more MB 
questions.


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[MBZ] Hey Andrew!

2014-04-01 Thread Dieselhead
Did you get the offlist messages I sent you about the wheels? 
Re-sent yesterday again since I never got any response.   Are you mad 
at me?


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[MBZ] at first this seemed like a decent car

2014-04-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
but it appears to have much rust, and what the heck happened to the door 
panels.  Still interesting.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SEL-4-5-early-prod-unit-63-1972-Mercedes-300SEL-4-5-W109-grey-blue-/281300398572?forcerrptr=truehash=item417ecf71ecitem=281300398572pt=US_Cars_Trucks

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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Diesel Spin-offs

2014-04-01 Thread Mountain Man
Dwight wrote:
 I hope the list
 can maintain some of this diesel wrenching tradition even as it overhauls
 education  health care.

We need to define terms.
Education as fedgov indoctrinates is not practical, essentially.
Health care as fedgov speaks is insco, not care.  Care is eating and exercise.
We can't fix stupid, but we can have a decent dialog without being dumb.
mao

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[MBZ] 124 rear suspension

2014-04-01 Thread WILTON
What should mech. and I look for on my 124 ('87 300D w/135 kmi) rear suspension 
tomorrow afternoon?  Loose or worn stuff, that is.  Car has felt squirrelly 
recently; pumped up tires a bit; 'found rt. rear slightly low.  'Drives a 
little better.

Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension

2014-04-01 Thread Dieselhead
What should mech. and I look for on my 124 ('87 300D w/135 kmi) rear 
suspension tomorrow afternoon?  Loose or worn stuff, that is.  Car 
has felt squirrelly recently; pumped up tires a bit; 'found rt. rear 
slightly low.  'Drives a little better.


Wilt
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If the links on each side are not obviously loose, then you probably 
need to replace the rear subframe bushings.  4 of them.  not hard, 
but maybe something you can no longer manage alone.  Use Dawn 
straight from the bottle to lube the new ones to put in.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension

2014-04-01 Thread Peter Frederick

Here's the drill:

ANY link with a displaced center or shreds of rubber needs to be  
replaced. Symptoms of bad links are torque steer (especially on  
acceleration) and excessive sensitivity to crosswinds.


Check for uneven wear on rear tires -- droopy shocks will cause them  
to wear on the insides.


Jack up and check for in/out play at the bottom of the wheel carrier  
-- if present, the bearing or the inner pivot bushing is shot in the  
spring link (these are repaceable).  Outer bearing will usually  
click when bad.  Toe in/toe out looseness (that is, if you can move  
the tire as if steering the car) means the tie rod is shot.


Get a long straight edge and hold against the tire and sight down  
between straightedge and doors/frame.  If the tire isn't just about  
dead straight ahead, and the other side is equally out but in the same  
direction, the subframe bushings are shot.


I need to finish mine, I've got the parts to put new bushing and  
bearing in the spring link and new tie rods in, along with new  
shocks.  I also have the subframe mounts, again just need to find the  
time.  I've replaced the rest of the links.


If you do anything with tie rods or subframe bushings, you will need  
to get a proper 4-wheel alignment done.  You cannot adjust by eye  
well enough to make the car safe to drive except to the alignment shop.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension

2014-04-01 Thread WILTON
Yep, it's excessively sensitive to crosswinds, but haven't noticed any need 
to hold left or right rudder during acceleration.  ;)  'Even felt 
dangerous enough to scare me, though, several days ago at 70 mph in 
crosswind.  Was much better after inflating tires (rt. rear was low) to 
proper pressure, but I still want a good look at suspension.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension



Here's the drill:

ANY link with a displaced center or shreds of rubber needs to be 
replaced. Symptoms of bad links are torque steer (especially on 
acceleration) and excessive sensitivity to crosswinds.


Check for uneven wear on rear tires -- droopy shocks will cause them  to 
wear on the insides.


Jack up and check for in/out play at the bottom of the wheel carrier  --  
if present, the bearing or the inner pivot bushing is shot in the  spring 
link (these are repaceable).  Outer bearing will usually  click when 
bad.  Toe in/toe out looseness (that is, if you can move  the tire as if 
steering the car) means the tie rod is shot.


Get a long straight edge and hold against the tire and sight down  between 
straightedge and doors/frame.  If the tire isn't just about  dead straight 
ahead, and the other side is equally out but in the same  direction, the 
subframe bushings are shot.


I need to finish mine, I've got the parts to put new bushing and  bearing 
in the spring link and new tie rods in, along with new  shocks.  I also 
have the subframe mounts, again just need to find the  time.  I've 
replaced the rest of the links.


If you do anything with tie rods or subframe bushings, you will need  to 
get a proper 4-wheel alignment done.  You cannot adjust by eye  well 
enough to make the car safe to drive except to the alignment shop.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension

2014-04-01 Thread WILTON

Yep, if it needs repair, I'll have the mech/tech do it.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension


What should mech. and I look for on my 124 ('87 300D w/135 kmi) rear 
suspension tomorrow afternoon?  Loose or worn stuff, that is.  Car has 
felt squirrelly recently; pumped up tires a bit; 'found rt. rear slightly 
low.  'Drives a little better.


Wilt
__


If the links on each side are not obviously loose, then you probably need 
to replace the rear subframe bushings.  4 of them.  not hard, but maybe 
something you can no longer manage alone.  Use Dawn straight from the 
bottle to lube the new ones to put in.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension

2014-04-01 Thread Jim Cathey

Even felt dangerous enough to scare me,


Worst handling car I've ever driven was our 190D with _slightly_
bad rear links.

-- Jim



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