Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's pure nostalgia.  That's the only explanation I can think of.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There is actually a pretty big market for old malaise era Land Yachts.
> This particular car isn't that big.  But, my brother and I went to an
> auction last December and old 70's luxo yachts were selling fairly high.
> He ended up buying a 1977 Thunderbird with 19,000 miles.   He just sold it
> last week and doubled his money!   The guy who bought it also has a 1977
> Lincoln Mark, a 1978 Granada, and a 1978 Mustang II.  My brother is going
> to another auction next month to check out a 1979 Lincoln Mark with a
> 28,000 miles.   It is amazing how much $ people are making flipping this
> big boats.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
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> Subject: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>
> This time-warp, retro "classic" resides in DC.  Fascinating window into
> the latest in early 80s technology and luxury.  How many barrels of crude
> were sacrificed to craft so many aces of faux wood?
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-lincoln-continental/
>
> I doubt this will crash through the $7500 barrier.
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Re: [MBZ] 1998 Mercedes Benz E320 $2600

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Good basic transportation at a modest price.

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>
>
> 1998 Mercedes Benz E320
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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

At the big ones, yes - if you stop. I've seen $150 quoted, but don't
remember where that was. Fuel can be three times higher than at the smaller
airports, if they even have 100LL.
On paved runways, you replace tires when the tread is too thin. On grass
runways you replace tires when the rubber dry rots/cracks.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I assume you have to pay to land.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: More plane talk - 45MPG?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup, time to move out of the stone age with GA engines. I've been
researching electronic ignition and fuel injection for the Tailwind's
engine - all it takes is money, redundant electrical systems, etc.  . . . .
I still won't get that kind of mileage, but will be far better than most.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.treehugger.com/aviation/hypermiling-plane-
> gets-45-mpg-at-207-mph-capable-of-100-mpg-thats-better-than-most-cars.html
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I assume you have to pay to land.

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope - I avoid large airports like the plague - too expensive if nothing
> else.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_
>> 3407913893=iv_vid=0ovGFhJCRU0=KKvWn317tpU
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Wow that guy has a big ol' set of balls.

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Re: [MBZ] I'm not sure what this means but here it is

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It means they are lowering the bar even further.

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://jalopnik.com/were-finally-getting-the-mercedes-benz-a-class-report-1796256537
> 
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] OT: More plane talk - 45MPG?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://www.treehugger.com/aviation/hypermiling-plane-gets-45-mpg-at-207-mph-capable-of-100-mpg-thats-better-than-most-cars.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I was flying a Cherokee one day and was in the pattern and was cleared 
to land.  A minute or two later I hear the tower call "United NNN you 
have traffic 2 miles on short final, please go around NOW."  (this was a 
737)


United pilot comes back with something not particularly friendly, 
questioning the command, Tower says, "Sir, I told you to go around NOW 
for Cherokee on short final, please comply immediately."


United pilot reluctantly acknowledges, I saw him go over me down the 
runway to make his circle to come back around to land.  By the time I 
landed and switched to ground control I had missed the fun of the Tower 
telling him what to do to land.


I felt kinda good when the 737 taxied by the FBO where I was standing 
next to the plane so I waved to them, did not get any response back.


--FT


On 6/20/17 5:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Speaking of which, this is a recent post on the tailwind forum. We are
building a very similar aircraft . . .

" Hi Y'all,
Just getting through a 2000 mile Tailwind trip with my Mom to the West
Coast.  Dropped Mom off at Albuquerque and headed to see Doug at his duty
station in San Angelo Texas.  I had just been switched to tower, in a
descent, probably still doing 180 kts (*207 mph*) or so.  A premier jet
asked tower if they should square up their base (they were on left base to
18)  Tower told them to expedite to the numbers for the traffic ... the
Tailwind.

Kind of cool to make a jet expedite to get out of the way of a single
engine piston.  Yes, I did get it slowed down and landed on the numbers :)

happy Tailwinds,

Valerie"

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 3:07 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Reminds me of a Bob Stevens cartoon where a towerman with a sense of humor
cleared Bob's Mooney for takeoff, then warned the 747 behind him to "watch
out for wake turbulence from the departing Mooney"...  ;-)

-MMM-






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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Oh, yes! I learned at a 1700' narrow grass strip and flew out of it for
many years afterwards. Our current 2500' grass strip feels luxurious. I
have to be very conscious of planning a touch down point near where I want
to taxi off the runway instead of landing on the first 50' of the runway
like I usually do at home when flying into the usual paved airport with
5000' + runways. The two mile long runways look like they go forever . . .

Controlled airports do reduce the number of surprises from those who don't
both to use their radios and fly non-standard patterns that I've
encountered at a lot of un-controlled fields (like ours).

 On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:33 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Oh, Burbank didn't mind us landing.  But coming from Whiteman Airpark's
> 1200 foot runway, it just seemed ginormous to me...
>
> -MMM-
>


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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Classic 107 SL gets ZERO love (almost)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well that seems reasonable.

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> $9600 ($10,080 with premium).
> I didn't see that coming, especially in light of what the Poos123 went for. 
> 
> I was a bit tempted to bid $10k and stick it on Lansing CL for $20k. 
> You wouldn't believe what people around here will advertise a 1980s R107 for. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


> Burbank is a pretty small airport, I'm surprised they'd make a big thing
> out of landing there, lots of small planes land there these days.
>

Oh, Burbank didn't mind us landing.  But coming from Whiteman Airpark's
1200 foot runway, it just seemed ginormous to me...

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Speaking of which, this is a recent post on the tailwind forum. We are
building a very similar aircraft . . .

" Hi Y'all,
Just getting through a 2000 mile Tailwind trip with my Mom to the West
Coast.  Dropped Mom off at Albuquerque and headed to see Doug at his duty
station in San Angelo Texas.  I had just been switched to tower, in a
descent, probably still doing 180 kts (*207 mph*) or so.  A premier jet
asked tower if they should square up their base (they were on left base to
18)  Tower told them to expedite to the numbers for the traffic ... the
Tailwind.

Kind of cool to make a jet expedite to get out of the way of a single
engine piston.  Yes, I did get it slowed down and landed on the numbers :)

happy Tailwinds,

Valerie"

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 3:07 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Reminds me of a Bob Stevens cartoon where a towerman with a sense of humor
> cleared Bob's Mooney for takeoff, then warned the 747 behind him to "watch
> out for wake turbulence from the departing Mooney"...  ;-)
>
> -MMM-
>



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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nope - I avoid large airports like the plague - too expensive if nothing
else.

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

There is actually a pretty big market for old malaise era Land Yachts.  This 
particular car isn't that big.  But, my brother and I went to an auction last 
December and old 70's luxo yachts were selling fairly high.  He ended up buying 
a 1977 Thunderbird with 19,000 miles.   He just sold it last week and doubled 
his money!   The guy who bought it also has a 1977 Lincoln Mark, a 1978 
Granada, and a 1978 Mustang II.  My brother is going to another auction next 
month to check out a 1979 Lincoln Mark with a 28,000 miles.   It is amazing how 
much $ people are making flipping this big boats. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:47 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

This time-warp, retro "classic" resides in DC.  Fascinating window into the 
latest in early 80s technology and luxury.  How many barrels of crude were 
sacrificed to craft so many aces of faux wood?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-lincoln-continental/

I doubt this will crash through the $7500 barrier.

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Re: [MBZ] Classic 107 SL gets ZERO love (almost)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

$9600 ($10,080 with premium).
I didn't see that coming, especially in light of what the Poos123 went for. 

I was a bit tempted to bid $10k and stick it on Lansing CL for $20k. 
You wouldn't believe what people around here will advertise a 1980s R107 for. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did I ever tell you I went to college with one of the Mooney grandkids? 
Remarkably normal kid for being stinking rich.
Burbank is a pretty small airport, I'm surprised they'd make a big thing out of 
landing there, lots of small planes land there these days.My favorite thing 
about flying into Burbank is that they don't use a jetbridge so you can enter 
and exit both ends of the plane, super speeds boarding and deplaning.
My second favorite thing there is that if you fly from Burbank to Las Vegas on 
Friday night (which is most of the flights) the plane is full of strippers...
-Curt


  From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?
   
I did a night landing in a Cessna 152 at Burbank Airport in 1982 with an
instructor.  Remarkably similar...

Reminds me of a Bob Stevens cartoon where a towerman with a sense of humor
cleared Bob's Mooney for takeoff, then warned the 747 behind him to "watch
out for wake turbulence from the departing Mooney"...  ;-)

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] Classic 107 SL gets ZERO love (almost)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Well, it's possible for a one-owner (I don't think the original owner's widow 
counts as an owner) E-Type to go from $46k with 15 minutes remaining to $63k 9 
minutes after the planned auction end. 
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-jaguar-xke-coupe/

Isn't there a Pug lover around here somewhere?
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-peugeot-405-mi-16/

Another chance for SonOfDan to drive a C124?
No boring black ragtop on this one. 
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mercedes-benz-e320-cabriolet-8/



> On June 20, 2017 at 3:20 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Is is possible for a BATmobile to accelerate from 4k to 14k in one hour?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Love the sound of disbelief in the ATC's voice

-Curt


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 Subject: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?
   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3407913893=iv_vid=0ovGFhJCRU0=KKvWn317tpU

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Re: [MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I did a night landing in a Cessna 152 at Burbank Airport in 1982 with an
instructor.  Remarkably similar...

Reminds me of a Bob Stevens cartoon where a towerman with a sense of humor
cleared Bob's Mooney for takeoff, then warned the 747 behind him to "watch
out for wake turbulence from the departing Mooney"...  ;-)

-MMM-

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[MBZ] OT: OK, Don, was that you in the Cessna?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3407913893=iv_vid=0ovGFhJCRU0=KKvWn317tpU

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Re: [MBZ] Classic 107 SL gets ZERO love (almost)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Is is possible for a BATmobile to accelerate from 4k to 14k in one hour?

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Re: [MBZ] I'm not sure what this means but here it is

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http://jalopnik.com/when-mercedes-built-the-most-practical-and-boring-twi-1764285136

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[MBZ] I'm not sure what this means but here it is

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https://jalopnik.com/were-finally-getting-the-mercedes-benz-a-class-report-1796256537


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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] 1998 Mercedes Benz E320 $2600

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1998 Mercedes Benz E320
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/for/6177366214.html

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Re: [MBZ] Classic 107 SL gets ZERO love (almost)

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That should be selling for WAY more than it's currently at, which should be WAY 
more than a 123.

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> This one really surprised me.  I thought they'd be drooling for a first
> year 107.
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mercedes-benz-350sl-2/
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Re: [MBZ] That 280E yuro 123 in Chitcago...(SW Burbs)

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Curley wrote:
> You can buy it for $1500.  It is a pretty nice car for that price.  Holler
> of ya want pictures.  It is gruen, and nice lookin'.

Holler.  Me want pictures.
Thanks.
mao

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[MBZ] Classic 107 SL gets ZERO love (almost)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This one really surprised me.  I thought they'd be drooling for a first
year 107.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mercedes-benz-350sl-2/
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Re: [MBZ] Little girl

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OK - Hi John.

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> Call me John
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 6/19/17 6:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
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>> https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6183874879.html
>>
>>
>>
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> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
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> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] Slight oil leak

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$200

--FT


On 6/19/17 7:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Condition: Salvage. (can't accuse them of false advertising)


On June 19, 2017 at 7:02 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
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1991 MERCEDES BENZ
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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Little girl

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Call me John

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On 6/19/17 6:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6183874879.html




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