Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 14, 2017 at 11:28 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My bad.  I remembered wrong:  The FCP flex disks (for w126) were Febi 
> Bilstein (FCP only claimed they were OEM).  The box says assembled in Germany 
> from German and Polish parts.  The actual flex disk has "Made in Germany" 
> molded into the rubber.
> Several other parts in that order were Lemforder so I got confused. But not 
> the disks.

If one could get Febi at a good price, I suppose it's worth a try. 
Sourced from Febi, made in Germany, I'd put that on one of my cars. 
And if the ones you get say made in China, I suppose you could resell them on 
eBay and recover most of your money. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

My bad.  I remembered wrong:  The FCP flex disks (for w126) were Febi Bilstein 
(FCP only claimed they were OEM).  The box says assembled in Germany from 
German and Polish parts.  The actual flex disk has "Made in Germany" molded 
into the rubber.
Several other parts in that order were Lemforder so I got confused. But not the 
disks.

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> Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 6:36 PM
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> Cc: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD
> 
> 
> > On July 14, 2017 at 5:30 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The OE flex disks I got from FCP were Lemförder.
> 
> 
> Original equipment, as in star marked by Mercedes Benz?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Parts Wagon

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And that's from sitting only one month in the FL jungle!

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
July 13, 2017 at 10:12 AM


Needs a serious dose of Marthaing?

It's got euro headlights...

If the back glass is broken, what's the interior look like in the 
Florida jungle?


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Re: [MBZ] Question for W210 owners - Trunk Release Switch

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not something easily replaced.  I have one of the 210 
switch/board/veneer parts, but not where I can get to  it now.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
July 11, 2017 at 2:12 PM
That I understand, but it had to be assembled at some point. I’m 
wondering if the cover of the trunk release switch can be removed 
without damaging it.


Sort of like how you would remove the button on a window switch.




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[MBZ] 123 LWB

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am currently watching The Godfather 3 and there is a lwb 240D featured.

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Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

[clay via Mercedes]

It is never that easy…

SDL has a non operational compressor, or it at least will not kick on, and the 
aux cooling fan does not kick on either.  I only got the car to suck up about 
7oz of duster air, so that both hi and low are sitting at 70psi

clay


> On Jul 14, 2017, at 3:58 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I am doing the AC recharge in the w126 cars today and have had an interesting 
> learning curve.
> 
> FIRST, check to make sure the system is complete with Schrader valves!  High 
> side did not have one and after charging the AC and getting nice cold air, I 
> tried to unhook the manifold.  It all came spewing out in a great hurry.  
> Must be why PO had installed R134 fittings.  I am going to be swabbing oily 
> dye mist from all manner of items for a long while.
> 
> I evacuated the system once more (it had been tested overnight) and did a 
> refill.  Well, sort of.  It calls for 3.3# of R12.  There is a 
> pressure/temperature chart that gives pressures based on outside temp.  Using 
> that, I reached the required pressures, but am short on volume?   Oil 
> injected was only 2.0oz, and Duster cans gave a bit over a pound.  Vent temps 
> are only 60f.  
> 
> Do I proceed with intalling the rest of the charge to at least 3.0#?
> 
> At the moment I am doing the vac hold test on the other car prior to recharge.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I always charge to 80% or r12 amount. 

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> On Jul 14, 2017, at 5:58 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I am doing the AC recharge in the w126 cars today and have had an interesting 
> learning curve.
> 
> FIRST, check to make sure the system is complete with Schrader valves!  High 
> side did not have one and after charging the AC and getting nice cold air, I 
> tried to unhook the manifold.  It all came spewing out in a great hurry.  
> Must be why PO had installed R134 fittings.  I am going to be swabbing oily 
> dye mist from all manner of items for a long while.
> 
> I evacuated the system once more (it had been tested overnight) and did a 
> refill.  Well, sort of.  It calls for 3.3# of R12.  There is a 
> pressure/temperature chart that gives pressures based on outside temp.  Using 
> that, I reached the required pressures, but am short on volume?   Oil 
> injected was only 2.0oz, and Duster cans gave a bit over a pound.  Vent temps 
> are only 60f.  
> 
> Do I proceed with intalling the rest of the charge to at least 3.0#?
> 
> At the moment I am doing the vac hold test on the other car prior to recharge.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Seems like a lot if trouble to take. Most dealer parts are in those awesome
plastic bags. Now that's cachet, as George Costanza would say.

On Jul 14, 2017 7:21 PM, "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> A lot of Lemförder stuff I've seen just has the tristar ground off of the
> part.  If it's Lemförder that's great, because I've had a heck of a time
> finding their stuff any more.  It seems like there's less and less you can
> find under their name as time goes on.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On July 14, 2017 at 5:30 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The OE flex disks I got from FCP were Lemförder.
> >
> >
> > Original equipment, as in star marked by Mercedes Benz?
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

A lot of Lemförder stuff I've seen just has the tristar ground off of the part. 
 If it's Lemförder that's great, because I've had a heck of a time finding 
their stuff any more.  It seems like there's less and less you can find under 
their name as time goes on.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On July 14, 2017 at 5:30 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The OE flex disks I got from FCP were Lemförder.
> 
> 
> Original equipment, as in star marked by Mercedes Benz?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I've seen conversion ratios given at 75%, 80%, or 90%.
I'd start out with 3/4 the weight of the specified R12 charge and go up slowly 
from there.

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[MBZ] Pressure and volume

[clay via Mercedes]

I am doing the AC recharge in the w126 cars today and have had an interesting 
learning curve.

FIRST, check to make sure the system is complete with Schrader valves!  High 
side did not have one and after charging the AC and getting nice cold air, I 
tried to unhook the manifold.  It all came spewing out in a great hurry.  Must 
be why PO had installed R134 fittings.  I am going to be swabbing oily dye mist 
from all manner of items for a long while.

I evacuated the system once more (it had been tested overnight) and did a 
refill.  Well, sort of.  It calls for 3.3# of R12.  There is a 
pressure/temperature chart that gives pressures based on outside temp.  Using 
that, I reached the required pressures, but am short on volume?   Oil injected 
was only 2.0oz, and Duster cans gave a bit over a pound.  Vent temps are only 
60f.  

Do I proceed with intalling the rest of the charge to at least 3.0#?

At the moment I am doing the vac hold test on the other car prior to recharge.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 14, 2017 at 5:30 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The OE flex disks I got from FCP were Lemförder.


Original equipment, as in star marked by Mercedes Benz?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

That warm air intake is one way to get around the expense of the 1985 
California filters. And what's that rectangular box on the right fender well 
with the valve cover breather hose going into it?

Interesting that he has the original airbox with a good filter in it. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The OE flex disks I got from FCP were Lemförder.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD
> 
> Me too.  I even called them to ask.  The rep claimed that it's the same mfr. 
> as
> the Mercedes specs.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Say what they want, I'm curious to see who the manufacturer of FCP
> > Euro's "OEM" is.
> >
> > And I'm a very satisfied FCP Euro customer, I might add.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I ordered OEM flex disks from FCP Euro (thanks, Kaleb) for 1/3 the
> > dealer list price.  I have never complained about dealer mark-ups,
> > btw.  I just prefer to pay less.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Look to see I there is any kind of carb float bowl preheat provision (e.g. to 
reduce emissions).  There may also be a missing insulating gasket between the 
car and manifold.  Or look for places the fuel line is too close to hot stuff, 
like the exhaust manifold.

I had a 1973 240Z with side-draft (Hitachi?) carbs  and there was a water 
jacket around the float bowls.  During warmup, engine coolant circulated around 
the float bowls to warm the fuel so it would vaporize better.  There was a 
thermostat intended to stop this coolant flow then the coolant reached 120F (as 
I recall) but mine had failed in the open position (full flow).  The thermostat 
looked like a simple plumbing adapter so I didn’t realize what it was for 
almost 10 years.  It drove me nuts but only during really hot weather and at 
high altitudes, typically driving coast to coast for PCS moves.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Donald Snook via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:49 AM
> 
> The shop replaced the battery and let it idle with the hood closed for an 
> hour.
> It never stalled.   My brother picked it up and had no problems getting home.
> Then, he drove it around at slow speeds in his neighborhood for 45 minutes.
> No problems.  He drove home and parked in the driveway.  About an hour
> later he went outside to drive it to the store and it started and stalled.  
> So, he
> popped the hood and smelled gas.  He took off the air filter and said he could
> hear the gas boiling in the carb.   So, apparently the battery did not fix the
> problem!   It is weird that it idled for an hour with no problems drove around
> for 45 minutes with no problems and then wouldn't run later.
> 
> I suggested he find a shop where he can talk to an old mechanic that has
> worked on Ford carbs.   It shouldn't be that hard to find the 460 was used on 
> a
> lot of cars and they kept using it in the bigger ford trucks even after
> discontinuing it in the cars.
> 
> Don Snook
> 


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Re: [MBZ] A Craigslist moron who does not want to sell a car very bad

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Kaleb wrote:
> So is anybody close to St. Louis?

Tommy?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Fred wrote:

> Wagon

But an '85.

NO thanks. *smiles*

Even if it wasn't too far away.

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's a male - "Vin" as in Vin Diesel.  Cute.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Sand peach??  Or do they mean CO beige?
>
> It's got the CA version engine coupled with a funky aftermarket turbo
> charger.  Intriguing but not that compelling...
>
> That being said, it's a lot of car for the money, with the OEM third seat
> and valuable roof rack crossbars.
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Wagon
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
>> Sent: 14 July 2017 14:27
>> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
>> Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon
>>
>>
>> fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>
>> 
>> 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon
>>
>> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6200371536.html
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sand peach??  Or do they mean CO beige?

It's got the CA version engine coupled with a funky aftermarket turbo
charger.  Intriguing but not that compelling...

That being said, it's a lot of car for the money, with the OEM third seat
and valuable roof rack crossbars.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wagon
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
> Sent: 14 July 2017 14:27
> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon
>
>
> fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>
> 
> 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon
>
> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6200371536.html
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Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Air cleaner is purposefully black so whoever stripped it is an idiot.
Shiny valve cover is harmless, although it will probably tarnish fairly
quickly.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is it just me or is the really shiny valve cover a huge red flag?
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>  Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:16 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6209568395.html
>
>
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> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] Flex disc-ussion

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 14, 2017 at 2:49 PM Fred Moir  wrote:
> 
> These were for an 190E 4 cyl and are the smaller diameter. They will not fit 
> my 1987 190Dt.

Oops, Fred's right.
My 190Dt takes 2024101315 and 1244100615

My 2.3-16 takes 2024101315 and 2014101615 

Anybody still have a 2.2 or 2.3-8v?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Wagon


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
Sent: 14 July 2017 14:27
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon


fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:


1985 Mercedes 300TD Turbo Diesel Wagon

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6200371536.html
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Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Is it just me or is the really shiny valve cover a huge red flag?
-Curt


  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:16 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas
   
https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6209568395.html


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Flex disc-ussion

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

They fit my 2.5 Turbo and my 2.3-16, so at that price consider them sold. 
Mitch. 

> On July 14, 2017 at 1:30 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes  
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> Greetings and Salutations.
> 
> Speaking of flex discs  (disks?)
> 
> I have two "Made in Germany"  flex disks. Free for the asking.
> 
> They were bought for a 1985 W201 190E, front and rear.
> 
> One is Lemforder 202 410 1215.
> 
> The other is Jurid 202 410 1015.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You should buy it and flip it on BAT.  Max and I could go get it for you 
and drag it somewhere more commodious.


--FT


On 7/14/17 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

These are becoming iconic so prices are highly volatile.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Pretty color for sure, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the $7,000
range if the miles could be verified but that price is outrageous. I know
prices are coming up on these but thats a super premium.

-Curt


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*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2017 2:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural
areas

Orient red... That brings back memories.  Nice car.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6209568395.html


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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

These are becoming iconic so prices are highly volatile.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Pretty color for sure, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the $7,000
> range if the miles could be verified but that price is outrageous. I know
> prices are coming up on these but thats a super premium.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> *From:* Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> *To:* Mercedes Discussion List 
> *Cc:* Andrew Strasfogel 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2017 2:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural
> areas
>
> Orient red... That brings back memories.  Nice car.
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6209568395.html
> >
> >
> > --
> > --FT
> > Winston Churchill:
> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> > large or petty,
> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> > the enemy.”
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Pretty color for sure, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the $7,000 range if 
the miles could be verified but that price is outrageous. I know prices are 
coming up on these but thats a super premium.

-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas
   
Orient red... That brings back memories.  Nice car.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6209568395.html
>
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

And by fixing all that other stuff you start life with this car on a known 
level of PM. Its like replacing all the fluids as a matter of course...
-Curt


  From: fmiser via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: fmiser 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem
   

I still recommend inspect the tank, replace the fuel pump, rebuild
the carburetor, replace the ignition controller (probably
Duraspark II), replace plugs, wires, cap, and rotor.

It's silly to put effort and time into troubleshooting to find and
replace one of those items when it's good sense to address them
all.  Then if there is still a problem, those can be considered
"likely good" and that will sure aid in the troubleshooting.  But
there is a good chance it will fix the issue.

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Re: [MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Orient red... That brings back memories.  Nice car.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6209568395.html
>
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crack and Dementia

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's the BAT price less your 10 percent Okiebenz discount.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's a really nice SEL
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 7/14/17 2:15 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Other than the mislabeling, they're really not that far off.  People are
>> paying stupid money for these models nowadays.
>>
>> Looks like a pretty nice example.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6216685520.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --FT
>>> Winston Churchill:
>>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
>>> large or petty,
>>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>>> of the enemy.”
>>>
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> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
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Re: [MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Donald wrote:

> The shop replaced the battery and ...  It never stalled.

> ...he popped the hood and smelled gas.

By 1977, there should be a charcoal canister that captures the
gasoline vapor from the carburetor bowl vent.  If there is gas
smell, either that isn't in place, or the gas smell is from
somewhere else - like in the throat of the carburetor since it was
just trying to run and stalled.  Or a leak in the lines before the
carburetor.  Or a stuck float valve that isn't shutting off the
fuel into the carburetor so the bowl is overflowing.

>  He took off the air
> filter and said he could hear the gas boiling in the carb.

If so, there is another problem.  The carburetor should never be
getting _that_ hot.

If it is, then I'd look for a non-functioning carburetor
pre-heat.  Usually this is a valve in the exhaust pipe that is
shut when the engine is cold and forces exhaust across through the
intake manifold (separate chamber) to heat the carburetor.  If
this is stuck in the "cold" position, I could see the carburetor
might get hot enough to have fuel boiling.

> So, apparently the battery did not fix the problem!

I can't say I'm surprised. :(

I still recommend inspect the tank, replace the fuel pump, rebuild
the carburetor, replace the ignition controller (probably
Duraspark II), replace plugs, wires, cap, and rotor.

It's silly to put effort and time into troubleshooting to find and
replace one of those items when it's good sense to address them
all.  Then if there is still a problem, those can be considered
"likely good" and that will sure aid in the troubleshooting.  But
there is a good chance it will fix the issue.

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Re: [MBZ] Crack and Dementia

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Take off a zero and I'm in.
I really don't understand why people label these wrong when its so obvious...
-Curt


  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:12 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Crack and Dementia
   
https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6216685520.html


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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

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I bought him off.  Two jars of pepper jelly were all that I needed.  He
went down FAST.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> ...and that would be?
>
> Let's see when they show up if there is anything identifying who made them.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a parts snob. If I can get a Lemförder part
> instead of the dealer's, I'll go for it - but I know what I'm getting
> there, too.
>
> So many of these aftermarket and even OEMs have begun to outsource stuff
> that you're never sure where it's being made any more. Meyle, Febi and
> others are doing this, so the brand name gets diluted/diminished.
>
> I just feel really strongly about the integrity of some parts, and when I
> replace them I want to be darned sure I'm putting a quality part in as a
> replacement, that's all.
>
> And where has Curley been through all this? I've been missing his acerbic
> banter and Andrew abuse
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Me too.  I even called them to ask.  The rep claimed that it's the same
> mfr. as the Mercedes specs.
> >
> >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Say what they want, I'm curious to see who the manufacturer of FCP
> Euro's "OEM" is.
> >>
> >> And I'm a very satisfied FCP Euro customer, I might add.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I ordered OEM flex disks from FCP Euro (thanks, Kaleb) for 1/3 the
> dealer list price.  I have never complained about dealer mark-ups, btw.  I
> just prefer to pay less.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Still smoking bath salts and trying to sell grandpa's heap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OMG such a pretty color.  Too bad the antenna won't retract... not to
mention the other broken items that the seller won't freely divulge.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6216642762.html
>
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crack and Dementia

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's a really nice SEL

--FT


On 7/14/17 2:15 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Other than the mislabeling, they're really not that far off.  People are paying 
stupid money for these models nowadays.

Looks like a pretty nice example.

-D


On Jul 14, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6216685520.html


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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] We grow and smoke our own ditchweed in the rural areas

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6209568395.html


--
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Crack and Dementia

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Other than the mislabeling, they're really not that far off.  People are paying 
stupid money for these models nowadays.

Looks like a pretty nice example.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6216685520.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

...and that would be?

Let's see when they show up if there is anything identifying who made them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a parts snob. If I can get a Lemförder part instead 
of the dealer's, I'll go for it - but I know what I'm getting there, too.

So many of these aftermarket and even OEMs have begun to outsource stuff that 
you're never sure where it's being made any more. Meyle, Febi and others are 
doing this, so the brand name gets diluted/diminished.

I just feel really strongly about the integrity of some parts, and when I 
replace them I want to be darned sure I'm putting a quality part in as a 
replacement, that's all.

And where has Curley been through all this? I've been missing his acerbic 
banter and Andrew abuse

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Me too.  I even called them to ask.  The rep claimed that it's the same mfr. 
> as the Mercedes specs.
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> Say what they want, I'm curious to see who the manufacturer of FCP Euro's 
>> "OEM" is.
>> 
>> And I'm a very satisfied FCP Euro customer, I might add.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I ordered OEM flex disks from FCP Euro (thanks, Kaleb) for 1/3 the dealer 
>> > list price.  I have never complained about dealer mark-ups, btw.  I just 
>> > prefer to pay less.
>> 
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https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6216642762.html


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[MBZ] Crack and Dementia

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6216685520.html


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Re: [MBZ] Flex disc-ussion

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

For anyone that's interested, you can plug the numbers into the MB of Atlanta 
online EPC and get a "where used" to see what all they might fit:

http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/FLEXIBLE-JOINT-DISC/7514453/2024101215.html

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Greetings and Salutations.
> 
> Speaking of flex discs  (disks?)
> 
> I have two "Made in Germany"  flex disks. Free for the asking.
> 
> They were bought for a 1985 W201 190E, front and rear.
> 
> One is Lemforder 202 410 1215.
> 
> The other is Jurid 202 410 1015.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Me too.  I even called them to ask.  The rep claimed that it's the same
mfr. as the Mercedes specs.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Say what they want, I'm curious to see who the manufacturer of FCP Euro's
> "OEM" is.
>
> And I'm a very satisfied FCP Euro customer, I might add.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I ordered OEM flex disks from FCP Euro (thanks, Kaleb) for 1/3 the
> dealer list price.  I have never complained about dealer mark-ups, btw.  I
> just prefer to pay less.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Say what they want, I'm curious to see who the manufacturer of FCP Euro's "OEM" 
is.

And I'm a very satisfied FCP Euro customer, I might add.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I ordered OEM flex disks from FCP Euro (thanks, Kaleb) for 1/3 the dealer 
> list price.  I have never complained about dealer mark-ups, btw.  I just 
> prefer to pay less. 


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Re: [MBZ] Parts Wagon

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > > MG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'll haul it out of there if he pays me $200.

> > > fmiser wrote:
> > >
> > > What I can see of the SLS tank it's okay.
> > >
> > > And maybe the head is good too.  Probably too much to ask to
> > > have a good SLS pump...

> > Andrew Strasfogel
> >
> > I have a spare SLS pump.

> Karl wrote:

> Why all this interest in sls pumps?

The Self Leveling Suspension is generally unique to the wagon.

* I like the wagons, and like the SLS.  

* I have a few wagons, none with good engines.  One just worn out. 

* I had SLS pump trouble on one of the wagons and gather parts and
  got new seals and managed to get one non-leaking pump.  But it's
  not really in good shape.

* Every wagon _I_ have looked at has an abused SLS system.  The
  best have had old, cruddy oil.  The worst are dry so the pump
  runs without lube!

* I have a few sedans with viable engines - but no SLS pump drive

* To retain SLS, I need to put a SLS head on.  Or machine the
  sedan head.  Or figure out a way to use some other pump, maybe
  electric.  Or buy a "new" pump for about the same - or more -
  than a parts car.

* Therefore, I would like to improve my wagon situation and so am
  on the lookout for good cars, parts cars, or engines.

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Re: [MBZ] Flex disc-ussion

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Fed - you are too kind.  For my purposes they won't work, however.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Greetings and Salutations.
>
> Speaking of flex discs  (disks?)
>
> I have two "Made in Germany"  flex disks. Free for the asking.
>
> They were bought for a 1985 W201 190E, front and rear.
>
> One is Lemforder 202 410 1215.
>
> The other is Jurid 202 410 1015.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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[MBZ] Flex disc-ussion

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Greetings and Salutations.

Speaking of flex discs  (disks?)

I have two "Made in Germany"  flex disks. Free for the asking.

They were bought for a 1985 W201 190E, front and rear.

One is Lemforder 202 410 1215.

The other is Jurid 202 410 1015.


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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I ordered OEM flex disks from FCP Euro (thanks, Kaleb) for 1/3 the dealer
list price.  I have never complained about dealer mark-ups, btw.  I just
prefer to pay less.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I'm all for saving a buck, without question. I also recognize when it's
> false economy.
>
> I did flex discs, center bearing and carrier on the 300SEL.  I paid for MB
> flex discs, bearing, and a Corteco bearing carrier.  I could have saved
> around $150 by going aftermarket, but looking at the available products,
> they were all manufactured in China or Taiwan and cost less than HALF what
> the dealer charges.
>
> Now we all know that MB is in this thing to make money, much of which
> comes from their parts sales. That being said, part of that cost covers
> supplier vetting and guarantees the quality of said parts.
>
> I've gone over this too many times in the past, but to reiterate: it's
> too, too easy to cut corners on rubber parts, period. Add more carbon
> (cheap) and less virgin rubber (expensive) and the physical difference is
> imperceptible up to a point. Multiply that difference to scale and now your
> part can be sold at a very nice profit while still being much cheaper than
> the OE part.
>
> Mercedes flex disc: $150
> Febi flex disc: $50
> URO flex disc: $35
>
> If Mercedes' markup is 40% that means their cost is around $105.  If the
> Febi or URO parts are marked up similar amounts, what does that tell you
> about their costs? That means the cost of the Febi is around $35.
>
> Since Mercedes doesn't manufacture their parts, but the others do, they
> probably have higher fixed cost.  So if their costs are higher due to
> manufacturing overhead, they're spending a smaller percentage on materials
> most likely.
>
> Which part do you think will have better quality materials?
>
> When it's a critical part such as suspension, driveline or brakes, I'm not
> going cheap. Not only is it false economy, it's dangerous.
>
> At least that's my take on the whole thing. One could argue that many
> people do it on the cheap, which is totally their choice. I want the
> reliability and peace of mind knowing that my flex disc isn't going to fail
> going down the highway a year or two after I bought it.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The impression I get when Andrew posts a question is that he already
> knows the answer or has already made up his mind about what he is going to
> do.  I am guilty of this at times when I am looking for support or
> agreement with something I have done or am going to do.  I think the
> difference is that I don't post my disagreement with list members
> suggestions.  One of my secrets to a healthy relationship (spouse in
> particular) is that she doesn't always need to know when I am right.
> > Just my thoughts. I could be totally misreading Andrew, I do not know
> him outside of what he posts on this list. If nothing else his responses
> will illicit a smile on my face and a shake of my head.
> > Good day!
> >
> > Michael E. Esh
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I'm all for saving a buck, without question. I also recognize when it's false 
economy.

I did flex discs, center bearing and carrier on the 300SEL.  I paid for MB flex 
discs, bearing, and a Corteco bearing carrier.  I could have saved around $150 
by going aftermarket, but looking at the available products, they were all 
manufactured in China or Taiwan and cost less than HALF what the dealer charges.

Now we all know that MB is in this thing to make money, much of which comes 
from their parts sales. That being said, part of that cost covers supplier 
vetting and guarantees the quality of said parts.

I've gone over this too many times in the past, but to reiterate: it's too, too 
easy to cut corners on rubber parts, period. Add more carbon (cheap) and less 
virgin rubber (expensive) and the physical difference is imperceptible up to a 
point. Multiply that difference to scale and now your part can be sold at a 
very nice profit while still being much cheaper than the OE part.

Mercedes flex disc: $150
Febi flex disc: $50
URO flex disc: $35

If Mercedes' markup is 40% that means their cost is around $105.  If the Febi 
or URO parts are marked up similar amounts, what does that tell you about their 
costs? That means the cost of the Febi is around $35.

Since Mercedes doesn't manufacture their parts, but the others do, they 
probably have higher fixed cost.  So if their costs are higher due to 
manufacturing overhead, they're spending a smaller percentage on materials most 
likely.

Which part do you think will have better quality materials?

When it's a critical part such as suspension, driveline or brakes, I'm not 
going cheap. Not only is it false economy, it's dangerous.

At least that's my take on the whole thing. One could argue that many people do 
it on the cheap, which is totally their choice. I want the reliability and 
peace of mind knowing that my flex disc isn't going to fail going down the 
highway a year or two after I bought it.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The impression I get when Andrew posts a question is that he already knows 
> the answer or has already made up his mind about what he is going to do.  I 
> am guilty of this at times when I am looking for support or agreement with 
> something I have done or am going to do.  I think the difference is that I 
> don't post my disagreement with list members suggestions.  One of my secrets 
> to a healthy relationship (spouse in particular) is that she doesn't always 
> need to know when I am right. 
> Just my thoughts. I could be totally misreading Andrew, I do not know him 
> outside of what he posts on this list. If nothing else his responses will 
> illicit a smile on my face and a shake of my head. 
> Good day!
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

The impression I get when Andrew posts a question is that he already knows the 
answer or has already made up his mind about what he is going to do.  I am 
guilty of this at times when I am looking for support or agreement with 
something I have done or am going to do.  I think the difference is that I 
don't post my disagreement with list members suggestions.  One of my secrets to 
a healthy relationship (spouse in particular) is that she doesn't always need 
to know when I am right. 
Just my thoughts. I could be totally misreading Andrew, I do not know him 
outside of what he posts on this list. If nothing else his responses will 
illicit a smile on my face and a shake of my head. 
Good day!

Michael E. Esh


> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bingo...  I was about to post something similar.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> At some point if you keep up your actions nobody will want to help you
>> any more...
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Pix!  Very impressive damage to a 126.

http://www.dieselgiant.com/Mercedes%20flex%20disc%20failure.htm

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually it looks like I was right: http://www.benzworld.org/
> forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1608368-uro-flex-disc-warning.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Maybe, MAYBE the battery was pulling so much power it required the engine to 
work more and make more heat at idle?
Sounds like time to find the diagram of the carb and see if a heat shield is 
missing...
-Curt


  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:49 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem
   
The shop replaced the battery and let it idle with the hood closed for an hour. 
 It never stalled.  My brother picked it up and had no problems getting home.  
Then, he drove it around at slow speeds in his neighborhood for 45 minutes.  No 
problems.  He drove home and parked in the driveway.  About an hour later he 
went outside to drive it to the store and it started and stalled.  So, he 
popped the hood and smelled gas.  He took off the air filter and said he could 
hear the gas boiling in the carb.  So, apparently the battery did not fix the 
problem!  It is weird that it idled for an hour with no problems drove around 
for 45 minutes with no problems and then wouldn't run later.  

I suggested he find a shop where he can talk to an old mechanic that has worked 
on Ford carbs.  It shouldn't be that hard to find the 460 was used on a lot of 
cars and they kept using it in the bigger ford trucks even after discontinuing 
it in the cars. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: G Mann [mailto:g2ma...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Land Yacht problem

Simple test for battery condition Put a load tester on it and watch the 
meter... good visual indication of battery condition...

I strongly suggest he ask to see that done before shelling out the price of a 
new battery.

The problem description does NOT suggest a battery with low voltage.. It cranks 
and starts... it cranks to re-start [even if it does not start]...
listen to crank speed..
Tired batteries sound tired on crank loads...

No mention of that issue so far in text elaboration of the issue.. S...
"Sell the sucker a new battery", then we'll throw parts at it till something 
works... school of thought, seems to me.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:52 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Donald wrote:
>
> > The shop told him this morning they thought it was a bad
> > battery.    I guess the theory is when it gets hot, it starts
> > having low electrical and things get funky.  I think that
> > sounds a little too simple.
>
> I still stand by my earlier suggestion.  Replace the stuff that 
> probably ought to be replaced anyway.  Then if there is still a 
> problem, track it down.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

AFAIK the center support bearing and front flex are original to the car.

Nothing wrong with my attitude - trying to strike a balance between
extravagance and foolish thrift.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bingo...  I was about to post something similar.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  At some point if you keep up your actions nobody will want to help you
> > any more...
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[MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

The shop replaced the battery and let it idle with the hood closed for an hour. 
 It never stalled.   My brother picked it up and had no problems getting home.  
Then, he drove it around at slow speeds in his neighborhood for 45 minutes.  No 
problems.  He drove home and parked in the driveway.  About an hour later he 
went outside to drive it to the store and it started and stalled.  So, he 
popped the hood and smelled gas.  He took off the air filter and said he could 
hear the gas boiling in the carb.   So, apparently the battery did not fix the 
problem!   It is weird that it idled for an hour with no problems drove around 
for 45 minutes with no problems and then wouldn't run later.  

I suggested he find a shop where he can talk to an old mechanic that has worked 
on Ford carbs.   It shouldn't be that hard to find the 460 was used on a lot of 
cars and they kept using it in the bigger ford trucks even after discontinuing 
it in the cars. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: G Mann [mailto:g2ma...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Land Yacht problem

Simple test for battery condition Put a load tester on it and watch the 
meter... good visual indication of battery condition...

I strongly suggest he ask to see that done before shelling out the price of a 
new battery.

The problem description does NOT suggest a battery with low voltage.. It cranks 
and starts... it cranks to re-start [even if it does not start]...
listen to crank speed..
Tired batteries sound tired on crank loads...

No mention of that issue so far in text elaboration of the issue.. S...
"Sell the sucker a new battery", then we'll throw parts at it till something 
works... school of thought, seems to me.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:52 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Donald wrote:
>
> > The shop told him this morning they thought it was a bad
> > battery.I guess the theory is when it gets hot, it starts
> > having low electrical and things get funky.   I think that
> > sounds a little too simple.
>
> I still stand by my earlier suggestion.  Replace the stuff that 
> probably ought to be replaced anyway.  Then if there is still a 
> problem, track it down.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you read down a little farther somebody is warning about Febi...
-Curt

  From: Curt Raymond 
 To: Jim Cathey  
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD
   
Actually it looks like I was right: 
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1608368-uro-flex-disc-warning.html

-Curt


  From: Jim Cathey 
 To: Curt Raymond  
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD
  
If the motor/transmission and/or diff mounts allowed enough motion to let the 
driveline escape the center bushings then I'd expect all manner of chaos.  But 
if everything else is working right...
The drive flanges are in-plane, the worst I'd expect is a lot of noise but no 
real damage.  Unless something escaped.
-- Jim


   

   
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Actually it looks like I was right: 
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1608368-uro-flex-disc-warning.html

-Curt


  From: Jim Cathey 
 To: Curt Raymond  
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD
   
If the motor/transmission and/or diff mounts allowed enough motion to let the 
driveline escape the center bushings then I'd expect all manner of chaos.  But 
if everything else is working right...
The drive flanges are in-plane, the worst I'd expect is a lot of noise but no 
real damage.  Unless something escaped.
-- Jim


   
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have seen several trashed driveshaft tunnels due to flex disk failure.

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On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> 
>> Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car
> 
> 
> I don't see this.  That's why this driveline: A) is captive, and: B) has
> center bushings.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If the motor/transmission and/or diff mounts allowed enough motion to let
the driveline escape the center bushings then I'd expect all manner of
chaos.  But if everything else is working right...

The drive flanges are in-plane, the worst I'd expect is a lot of noise but
no real damage.  Unless something escaped.

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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Bingo...  I was about to post something similar.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  At some point if you keep up your actions nobody will want to help you
> any more...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I need a timeout when I point out that your going for cheap parts has bit you 
in the past?
Lets dial back the clock a little today, you asked for help. People gave 
suggestions, you told them they are wrong, I called you on it. I'd suggest that 
you might reconsider your attitude. At some point if you keep up your actions 
nobody will want to help you any more...
-Cur


  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: "curtlud...@yahoo.com"  
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD
   
I ask for help b/c that's what this group is all about.  I never claimed to be 
an expert.  You need a timeout..
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

If you're God's gift to the 123 why do you ask for help? I remember a time when 
you bragged about your cars. Now you won't spend an extra hundred bucks.
How many miles have you put on your cars in that time?

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:   Hey, I've driven a 123 wagon continuously since 1989 and replaced 
several flex disks so I think I know what I'm doing.   How does that work for 
YOU, Curt?
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car, this is false 
economy. Let's think back to when you ignored the list advice and replaced just 
one sphere. How that work out for you? I'll remind you, all the warnings given 
to you here came true...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Dan, the Price is $152 per from the 
dealer vs. $47 elsewhere for the flex
disks.  For the center assembly it's $150 vs. $27 (!!!) for Febi or Beck
Arnley (Rock Auto).  Febi is a decent brand and I am not going to keep the
car forever.  There are other cheaper brands I won't touch, e.g. Uro..

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Febi/Bilstein is a German company, however, that doesn't mean that's where
> the parts come from.  I've seen Febi parts that are from China and Taiwan.
>
> Again, I understand the desire to save a buck, but this is not a place I
> would be cutting corners.
>
> Corteco makes a very high quality center bearing carrier. The bearing
> "kit" is be sourced from the dealer, probably under $30 and contains a new
> boot and other hardware bits you won't get from a third party supplier.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
> >> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex
> disks
> >> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley
> decent?
> >> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
> >> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Maybe an cv joint going bad?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> >> underneath
> > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through
> the
> > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
> >> This
> > has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
> >
> > Any ideas on what might be the issue?
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

On a 124, failure of a front flex disc at speed can allow it to thrash
around (driven by the forward motion of the car via the differential) with
such violence that the airbag(s) will deploy.  The tunnel area just behind
the transmission gets beat all to hell, there are pix of the mess on Peach
Parts I think.

I think such a failure would cause similar damage on a 123, minus the
airbag deployment.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >
> > Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car
>
>
> I don't see this.  That's why this driveline: A) is captive, and: B) has
> center bushings.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] AC goodness

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

This sounds like a job for test refrigerant.  It's inexpensive, requires no
oil change,
and works very well.

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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car


I don't see this.  That's why this driveline: A) is captive, and: B) has
center bushings.

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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I ask for help b/c that's what this group is all about.  I never claimed to
be an expert.  You need a timeout..

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If you're God's gift to the 123 why do you ask for help? I remember a time
> when you bragged about your cars. Now you won't spend an extra hundred
> bucks.
>
> How many miles have you put on your cars in that time?
>
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
>  wrote:
> Hey, I've driven a 123 wagon continuously since 1989 and replaced several
> flex disks so I think I know what I'm doing.   How does that work for YOU,
> Curt?
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car, this is false
> economy. Let's think back to when you ignored the list advice and replaced
> just one sphere. How that work out for you? I'll remind you, all the
> warnings given to you here came true...
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Dan, the Price is $152 per from the dealer vs. $47 elsewhere for the flex
> disks.  For the center assembly it's $150 vs. $27 (!!!) for Febi or Beck
> Arnley (Rock Auto).  Febi is a decent brand and I am not going to keep the
> car forever.  There are other cheaper brands I won't touch, e.g. Uro..
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Febi/Bilstein is a German company, however, that doesn't mean that's
> where
> > the parts come from.  I've seen Febi parts that are from China and
> Taiwan.
> >
> > Again, I understand the desire to save a buck, but this is not a place I
> > would be cutting corners.
> >
> > Corteco makes a very high quality center bearing carrier. The bearing
> > "kit" is be sourced from the dealer, probably under $30 and contains a
> new
> > boot and other hardware bits you won't get from a third party supplier.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also
> must
> > >> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex
> > disks
> > >> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley
> > decent?
> > >> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150
> vs.
> > >> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >  Maybe an cv joint going bad?
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> > >> underneath
> > > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through
> > the
> > > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> > > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
> > >> This
> > > has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on what might be the issue?
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you're God's gift to the 123 why do you ask for help? I remember a time when 
you bragged about your cars. Now you won't spend an extra hundred bucks.
How many miles have you put on your cars in that time?

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:   Hey, I've driven a 123 wagon continuously since 1989 and replaced 
several flex disks so I think I know what I'm doing.   How does that work for 
YOU, Curt?
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car, this is false 
economy. Let's think back to when you ignored the list advice and replaced just 
one sphere. How that work out for you? I'll remind you, all the warnings given 
to you here came true...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Dan, the Price is $152 per from the 
dealer vs. $47 elsewhere for the flex
disks.  For the center assembly it's $150 vs. $27 (!!!) for Febi or Beck
Arnley (Rock Auto).  Febi is a decent brand and I am not going to keep the
car forever.  There are other cheaper brands I won't touch, e.g. Uro..

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Febi/Bilstein is a German company, however, that doesn't mean that's where
> the parts come from.  I've seen Febi parts that are from China and Taiwan.
>
> Again, I understand the desire to save a buck, but this is not a place I
> would be cutting corners.
>
> Corteco makes a very high quality center bearing carrier. The bearing
> "kit" is be sourced from the dealer, probably under $30 and contains a new
> boot and other hardware bits you won't get from a third party supplier.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
> >> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex
> disks
> >> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley
> decent?
> >> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
> >> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Maybe an cv joint going bad?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> >> underneath
> > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through
> the
> > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
> >> This
> > has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
> >
> > Any ideas on what might be the issue?
> > __ _
> > http://www.okiebenz.com
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hey, I've driven a 123 wagon continuously since 1989 and replaced several
flex disks so I think I know what I'm doing.   How does that work for YOU,
Curt?

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car, this is false
> economy. Let's think back to when you ignored the list advice and replaced
> just one sphere. How that work out for you? I'll remind you, all the
> warnings given to you here came true...
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Dan, the Price is $152 per from the dealer vs. $47 elsewhere for the flex
> disks.  For the center assembly it's $150 vs. $27 (!!!) for Febi or Beck
> Arnley (Rock Auto).  Febi is a decent brand and I am not going to keep the
> car forever.  There are other cheaper brands I won't touch, e.g. Uro..
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Febi/Bilstein is a German company, however, that doesn't mean that's
> where
> > the parts come from.  I've seen Febi parts that are from China and
> Taiwan.
> >
> > Again, I understand the desire to save a buck, but this is not a place I
> > would be cutting corners.
> >
> > Corteco makes a very high quality center bearing carrier. The bearing
> > "kit" is be sourced from the dealer, probably under $30 and contains a
> new
> > boot and other hardware bits you won't get from a third party supplier.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also
> must
> > >> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex
> > disks
> > >> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley
> > decent?
> > >> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150
> vs.
> > >> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >  Maybe an cv joint going bad?
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> > >> underneath
> > > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through
> > the
> > > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> > > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
> > >> This
> > > has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on what might be the issue?
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Remember if the flex disk fails at speed it trashes the car, this is false 
economy. Let's think back to when you ignored the list advice and replaced just 
one sphere. How that work out for you? I'll remind you, all the warnings given 
to you here came true...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Dan, the Price is $152 per from the 
dealer vs. $47 elsewhere for the flex
disks.  For the center assembly it's $150 vs. $27 (!!!) for Febi or Beck
Arnley (Rock Auto).  Febi is a decent brand and I am not going to keep the
car forever.  There are other cheaper brands I won't touch, e.g. Uro..

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Febi/Bilstein is a German company, however, that doesn't mean that's where
> the parts come from.  I've seen Febi parts that are from China and Taiwan.
>
> Again, I understand the desire to save a buck, but this is not a place I
> would be cutting corners.
>
> Corteco makes a very high quality center bearing carrier. The bearing
> "kit" is be sourced from the dealer, probably under $30 and contains a new
> boot and other hardware bits you won't get from a third party supplier.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
> >> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex
> disks
> >> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley
> decent?
> >> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
> >> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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>  Maybe an cv joint going bad?
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> >
> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> >> underneath
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> the
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> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Dan, the Price is $152 per from the dealer vs. $47 elsewhere for the flex
disks.  For the center assembly it's $150 vs. $27 (!!!) for Febi or Beck
Arnley (Rock Auto).  Febi is a decent brand and I am not going to keep the
car forever.  There are other cheaper brands I won't touch, e.g. Uro..

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Febi/Bilstein is a German company, however, that doesn't mean that's where
> the parts come from.  I've seen Febi parts that are from China and Taiwan.
>
> Again, I understand the desire to save a buck, but this is not a place I
> would be cutting corners.
>
> Corteco makes a very high quality center bearing carrier. The bearing
> "kit" is be sourced from the dealer, probably under $30 and contains a new
> boot and other hardware bits you won't get from a third party supplier.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
> >> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex
> disks
> >> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley
> decent?
> >> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
> >> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Maybe an cv joint going bad?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> >> underneath
> > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through
> the
> > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
> >> This
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Febi/Bilstein is a German company, however, that doesn't mean that's where the 
parts come from.  I've seen Febi parts that are from China and Taiwan.

Again, I understand the desire to save a buck, but this is not a place I would 
be cutting corners.

Corteco makes a very high quality center bearing carrier. The bearing "kit" is 
be sourced from the dealer, probably under $30 and contains a new boot and 
other hardware bits you won't get from a third party supplier.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
>> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex disks
>> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley decent?
>> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
>> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 Maybe an cv joint going bad?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
>> underneath
> with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
> gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
>> This
> has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks.  Importec sells Febi brand which IIRC is German.

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex disks
> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley decent?
> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Maybe an cv joint going bad?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> underneath
> >> > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
> >> > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> >> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.
> This
> >> > has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would be shopping at importecautoparts.com or fcpeuro.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must 
> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex disks 
> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley decent?  
> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs. 
> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> 
>  
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Maybe an cv joint going bad?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging underneath
>> > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
>> > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
>> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.  This
>> > has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Do not cheap out on rubber parts or you'll be doing this job again in under 
five years.

Flex discs from Mercedes aren't that expensive in most cases.  Front flex disc 
is around $125 from the dealer, I believe. Rear is the same.

Febi and Beck-Arnley will be cheap Chinee stuff.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
> replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex disks
> had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley decent?
> OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
> $50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Maybe an cv joint going bad?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
>> underneath
>>> with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
>>> gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
>>> everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.  This
>>> has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Was diagnosed as broken center drive shaft support bracket.  Also must
replace drive shaft bearing and front and rear flex disks.  The flex disks
had been replaced with substandard brand.  Are Febi or Beck Arnley decent?
OEM bearing bracket is triple the price of Febi or Beck Arnley ($150 vs.
$50)...  Flex disks are $47 per (Febi) from AutohausAZ.



On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe an cv joint going bad?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> underneath
> > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
> > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.  This
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

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Maybe an cv joint going bad?

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> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging underneath
> with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
> gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.  This
> has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

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If Andrew is lucky, just a flex disc is at fault, _AND_ he will get it
fixed prior to catastrophic failure.  Flex discs are the weakest link and
require periodic replacement, and as a bonus a bad flex disc can be
determined with a visual inspection.

-
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Charleston SC

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yeah, and I wouldn't be driving it much like they, either.  Driveline
> failures at speed tend to be catastrophic.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yeah, and I wouldn't be driving it much like they, either.  Driveline failures 
at speed tend to be catastrophic.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Something is wrong with the driveshaft or a half-axle.  If you can make the
> noise change by weaving side to side, it is a half-axle.  If that has no
> effect on the noise, then either a flex disc, the center carrier bearing,
> or a u-joint is probably the cause.
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

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It's definitely a drive train component that's making noise when 
loaded/unloaded from what you describe.

That would be U joints, flex discs and CV joints as far as I can think of.

If you get the back end off the ground so you can turn the drive shaft and rear 
wheels it should be easy to identify.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 7:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> That's what I fear.
> 
> On Jul 14, 2017 1:25 AM, "Kevin Kraly via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> CV joint?
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
>> underneath
>>> with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
>>> gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
>>> everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.  This
>>> has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

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Something is wrong with the driveshaft or a half-axle.  If you can make the
noise change by weaving side to side, it is a half-axle.  If that has no
effect on the noise, then either a flex disc, the center carrier bearing,
or a u-joint is probably the cause.

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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

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That's what I fear.

On Jul 14, 2017 1:25 AM, "Kevin Kraly via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> CV joint?
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging
> underneath
> > with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
> > gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> > everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.  This
> > has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That's my guess. 

"This has been going on for some time"

Nice to wait for something to get to the point of destruction.

-D

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Flex discs?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Very loud knocking noise in my W123 300TD

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Flex discs?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Loudest in first gear under load. It's as if someone is banging underneath
> with a hammer.  Tends to diminish and go away as I move up through the
> gears.  I crawled underneath and checked for loose exhaust pipe but
> everything seemed tight.  The noise appears to come from the rear.  This
> has been going on for some time, but got really loud just today.
> 
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