Re: [MBZ] Better stock up, great deal

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:34:40 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I bought 'em out!

How many did they have?


Craig


> On July 18, 2017 9:04:01 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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Re: [MBZ] Better stock up, great deal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I bought 'em out!
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'95 E300

On July 18, 2017 9:04:01 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Diesel-Glow-Plug-Strip-Fuse-50-Amp-PUDENZ-OEM-1-YEAR-WARRANTY-/372016943920?fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz&epid=683579232&hash=item569df01330:g:Ud0AAOSwQoFWQHa2&vxp=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > >
> > > ELECTRIC VEHICLES Oil companies are increasingly
> > > nervous

> > Floyd Thursby wrote:
> >
> > You won't believe what happens next!

> Andrew wrote:
>
> Curt why are you so defensive?

You replied to Floyd.  Why are you calling him "Curt"?

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

That's a good idea. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:59 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What he said or buy any "old" travel trailer which has a shower. If it's too 
> hot, buy a cheap AC and stick it in a window. Also, RV trailers are sometimes 
> for rent in RV parks. I saved a ton of money doing that when I was 
> transferred to Atlanta for several years.
> Gerry
> 
> Jim Cathey wrote:
>> Buy a 'hunter's special' camper and find a monthly RV site?
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

They are and continue to break the law. The spots are for handicapped people to 
use when they need them. I have no guilt about reporting inconsiderate people.  
The point of my complaint is they promised one rate and then raised it without 
even telling me why or when. 
I don't want to change places. This is convenient location and I am comfortable 
here. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you sure that you want to make trouble for them?
> 
> The hotel is trying to get more money out of you, but everyone needs to eat. 
> If you are not happy, then go somewhere else, but why try to make trouble?
> If there are handicapped folks who are in need of the parking, they will 
> likely complain on their own.
> Why rock the boat?
> "Getting even" may leave you feeling guilty and regretting it.
> 
> 
>> On 18/07/2017 4:15 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:
>> Ok. I'll give them a call tomorrow.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Michael E. Esh
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On July 18, 2017 at 2:28 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 
 Generally, each municipality has either a police force or sheriff's office
 that would enforce that sort of law.
>>> And I'm sure the AAPD knows who the authorized volunteer handicap enforcers 
>>> are too.
>>> If the $190 price I just found is correct, that's well worth 15 minutes of 
>>> a sworn officer's time. But since you already complained to the hotel about 
>>> it, they'll assume you caused it if they suddenly get $380 worth of tickets 
>>> tomorrow. It would make an excellent parting gift when you move out.
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:12:08 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks, Kaleb!
> 
> I bought a set of OE front discs and some Akebono (ceramic) pads for the
> E320.  With the discount I saved about $5.00 over my cost from the
> dealer, but I didn't pay tax or have to go pick them up, so that's worth
> something.

I finally settled on: 

  Disc Brake Pad Set - Front - Akebono
  Disc Brake Pad Set - Rear - Akebono
  Disc Brake Rotor - Front (284mm) - Genuine Mercedes
  Disc Brake Rotor - Rear (258mm) - Zimmermann

On these I got a discount of $16.16 and free shipping on
on a total weight of 49.61 lbs.

Interestingly, my order is coming from three different places:

- Windsor, CT
- Atlanta, GA
- Carson, CA

Thank you for the tip, Kaleb.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve ranted about this enough in the past, but our poor performance in solar 
production, despite being the “Sunshine State”, is due largely to the utilities 
having our state legislators in their pockets and doing everything they can do 
discourage solar power.

-D


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> MA is producing as much if not more solar than sunny Florida. 
> 
> Finding real rankings is pretty hard, this one looks the most reasonable of 
> what I could find:https://openpv.nrel.gov/rankingsThey say Florida makes 
> about 135MW of solar, MA is 1941MW.
> Interesting to note that by count CA is ahead of pretty much everybody else 
> put together. Not a huge surprise...
> 
> 
> 
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

MA is producing as much if not more solar than sunny Florida. 

Finding real rankings is pretty hard, this one looks the most reasonable of 
what I could find:https://openpv.nrel.gov/rankingsThey say Florida makes about 
135MW of solar, MA is 1941MW.
Interesting to note that by count CA is ahead of pretty much everybody else put 
together. Not a huge surprise...



-Curt


  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
There is a good bit of research, both public and private, being done on long 
distance power transmission; the idea being to produce massive amounts of solar 
power in the sunny south and send it to the bleak north.

https://www.google.com/search?site=webhp&source=hp&q=long+distance+power+transmission+research&oq=long+distance+power+transmission+research&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2700.18894.0.19279.42.41.0.0.0.0.459.6592.0j26j5j1j1.33.00...1.1.64.psy-ab..9.32.6404.0..0j46j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i10k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.HfdZ4cYHf0w
~
> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
> time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
> homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
> all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
> think a snow machine will be battery powered.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
> > tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics 
> > and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, 
> > how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> >> July 17, 2017
> >> 
> >> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >> vehicles.
> >> 
> >> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> >> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
> >> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >> 
> >> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
> >> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
> >> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
> >> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >> sales by 2030.
> >> 
> >> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >> 
> >> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >> batteries.
> >> 
> >> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
> >> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >> ,
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Back when I re-habbed my '83 240D to be a low buck commuter I put the cheapest 
rotors Rusty could get on it. The name was something weird like "Genuine". IIRC 
they were $25 a piece. Worked fine for the 25,000 miles I put on the car until 
an oil cooler line burst ending its life.
-Curt


  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on 
Clearance parts
   
There are a bunch of aftermarket disc manufacturers, but I don’t think any of 
them are the OEM suppliers.  This was something Rusty used to talk about, if I 
recall correctly.  I can understand if price is an issue, but I’ve always gone 
with the dealer or OE brake parts (except pads) as they’re not that much more 
than aftermarket, and you know what you’re getting.

I would be really, really reluctant to put a $23.00 brake disc on my car, no 
matter who’s name is on it.

I stick with Akebono ceramic pads just because I hate wheel dust.  It’s 
especially important on the wife’s car, as she’s deadly on brakes.  Used to go 
through a set of organic pads in 15k.  I put ceramics in her car and they go 
for a long, long time.

-D





> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the only OEM ones are the dealer ones.  I do not think there are any 
> aftermarket ones that are OEM.
> 
> 
> On 7/18/2017 7:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> IIRC, Brembo is NOT the leading name in rotors these days.
>> Zimmermann is OEM, isn't it?
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: dead macbook pro

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah its a weird little chip thing, looks like a 
bookmark...https://tinyurl.com/htun3h4

The Mac booked into target disk mode and is currently backing up to an external 
drive. 314GB to a USB drive through my Mac Pro says "About 9 hours" but it 
seems to vary by how much I use the Mac Pro...
In the morning when its all backed up I'll try the recovery thing.
-Curt


  From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: dead macbook pro
   
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> OWC wants $400 for a replacement...
>

SSD?
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

There is a good bit of research, both public and private, being done on long 
distance power transmission; the idea being to produce massive amounts of solar 
power in the sunny south and send it to the bleak north.

https://www.google.com/search?site=webhp&source=hp&q=long+distance+power+transmission+research&oq=long+distance+power+transmission+research&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2700.18894.0.19279.42.41.0.0.0.0.459.6592.0j26j5j1j1.33.00...1.1.64.psy-ab..9.32.6404.0..0j46j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i10k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.HfdZ4cYHf0w
~
> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
> time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
> homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
> all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
> think a snow machine will be battery powered.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
> > tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics 
> > and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, 
> > how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> >> July 17, 2017
> >> 
> >> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >> vehicles.
> >> 
> >> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> >> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
> >> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >> 
> >> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
> >> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
> >> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
> >> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >> sales by 2030.
> >> 
> >> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >> 
> >> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >> batteries.
> >> 
> >> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
> >> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >> ,
> >> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] Better stock up, great deal

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:04:01 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Diesel-Glow-Plug-Strip-Fuse-50-Amp-PUDENZ-OEM-1-YEAR-WARRANTY-/372016943920?fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz&epid=683579232&hash=item569df01330:g:Ud0AAOSwQoFWQHa2&vxp=mtr

I'm interested in the 1 year warranty ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

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On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:28:37 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I heard that there were only 8 different keys for Cessnas in the earlier
> days (like mine).

Just like Peterbilt ...


Craig

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[MBZ] Better stock up, great deal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Diesel-Glow-Plug-Strip-Fuse-50-Amp-PUDENZ-OEM-1-YEAR-WARRANTY-/372016943920?fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz&epid=683579232&hash=item569df01330:g:Ud0AAOSwQoFWQHa2&vxp=mtr


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably just the discount.  Discs are about $80 my cost at the dealer, and I 
thing they were about $77.50 with the discount.  The pads were around $60 with 
the discount, which is about the going retail for them.  A good deal, not a 
great deal.  Still cheaper than buying them locally and saves me the time to go 
pick them up and the tax I would have to pay Skeletor (Rick Scott, governor.  
Go ahead, look up a picture of the guy.)

-D


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was that clearance or just the discount?  I am looking at their clearance 
> items for several of my cars and they only show a couple of pages of 
> clearance items that I dont need.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are a bunch of aftermarket disc manufacturers, but I don’t think any of 
them are the OEM suppliers.  This was something Rusty used to talk about, if I 
recall correctly.  I can understand if price is an issue, but I’ve always gone 
with the dealer or OE brake parts (except pads) as they’re not that much more 
than aftermarket, and you know what you’re getting.

I would be really, really reluctant to put a $23.00 brake disc on my car, no 
matter who’s name is on it.

I stick with Akebono ceramic pads just because I hate wheel dust.  It’s 
especially important on the wife’s car, as she’s deadly on brakes.  Used to go 
through a set of organic pads in 15k.  I put ceramics in her car and they go 
for a long, long time.

-D





> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the only OEM ones are the dealer ones.  I do not think there are any 
> aftermarket ones that are OEM.
> 
> 
> On 7/18/2017 7:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> IIRC, Brembo is NOT the leading name in rotors these days.
>> Zimmermann is OEM, isn't it?
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Was that clearance or just the discount?  I am looking at their 
clearance items for several of my cars and they only show a couple of 
pages of clearance items that I dont need.



On 7/18/2017 4:12 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks, Kaleb!

I bought a set of OE front discs and some Akebono (ceramic) pads for the E320.  
With the discount I saved about $5.00 over my cost from the dealer, but I 
didn't pay tax or have to go pick them up, so that's worth something.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I think the only OEM ones are the dealer ones.  I do not think there are 
any aftermarket ones that are OEM.



On 7/18/2017 7:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

IIRC, Brembo is NOT the leading name in rotors these days.
Zimmermann is OEM, isn't it?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I broke the key on my dad's little John Deere tractor so I went to the 
dealer to get one.  I took all the papers with serial numbers etc and 
tell the guy I want a key, he grabs one off a display.  They were all 
the same for all the little tractors...  I didn't get that, as any 
dumbass with even a quarter of a brain could just go buy one and steal a 
tractor.


--FT


On 7/18/17 8:28 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I heard that there were only 8 different keys for Cessnas in the earlier
days (like mine).

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On July 18, 2017 at 6:14 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


You could use a flat blade screwdriver in the locks on my 68 Chevy

pickup.

What about Don's Cessna?
Those things counted on the fact that most crooks weren't pilots, I
believe.
Mitch.

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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

IIRC, Brembo is NOT the leading name in rotors these days. 
Zimmermann is OEM, isn't it?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I heard that there were only 8 different keys for Cessnas in the earlier
days (like mine).

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On July 18, 2017 at 6:14 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You could use a flat blade screwdriver in the locks on my 68 Chevy
> pickup.
>
> What about Don's Cessna?
> Those things counted on the fact that most crooks weren't pilots, I
> believe.
> Mitch.
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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please? Kaleb?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Looks pretty good to me, I think I will likely pull the trigger on this one!

Thanks a bunch for your help Kaleb and Dan!

Any thoughts on what would be a good price?

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please? Kaleb?

Nice. Mine doesn't have ESP, rain sensor, Xenon headlamps, or headlamp washers. 
But, on the plus side, mine isn't black. 
Mitch.

> On July 18, 2017 at 5:30 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's the data card:
> 
> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_DatacardAction.php?lang=E&vin=wdbjh82f5xx027367
> 
> -d
> 
> > On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > wdbjh82f5xx027367
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 18, 2017 at 6:14 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You could use a flat blade screwdriver in the locks on my 68 Chevy pickup.

What about Don's Cessna?
Those things counted on the fact that most crooks weren't pilots, I believe. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 18, 2017 at 5:57 PM clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
> time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
> homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
> all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
> think a snow machine will be battery powered.

The Chevy Spark EV was sold in 3 states, but I believe it was sold in all 
Provinces. Maybe I should look for one in Toronto. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] AMG

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 18, 2017 at 5:49 PM clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/d/mercedes/6216584464.html


Polka dots??
But, on the plus side, it's green and has SLS. 

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Secret message for our trucker friend

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The Eagle should land tomorrow.


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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please? Kaleb?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Nice. Mine doesn't have ESP, rain sensor, Xenon headlamps, or headlamp washers. 
But, on the plus side, mine isn't black. 
Mitch.

> On July 18, 2017 at 5:30 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's the data card:
> 
> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_DatacardAction.php?lang=E&vin=wdbjh82f5xx027367
> 
> -d
> 
> > On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > wdbjh82f5xx027367
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Same with my '51 VW bug.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You could use a flat blade screwdriver in the locks on my 68 Chevy pickup.
>
>
>
> On 18/07/2017 5:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I think I told the story once of how when I was fairly young I had gone
>> to the store with my granddaddy, he had a newish gold and white Chevy (I
>> think) pickup truck.  This was in a smallish town. We go in the grocery and
>> get stuff, come out and get in the truck, he puts in the key and starts it
>> up getting ready to drive off.  I am sensing something is not quite right
>> so I say to him, this is not your truck.  He says sure it is, and we
>> discuss it a bit and then he says yeah you're right.  We look behind and
>> his truck, identical to this one we were in that opened and started right
>> up, was in the row behind us, same slot.  So we got our bags and got out of
>> it into his truck.  It was pretty funny.  It gave him stories for quite
>> awhile.  I have thought about that, what are the odds, identical trucks in
>> the same small town, parked right next to one another at that time and
>> place?
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please? Kaleb?

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Vehicle History Report™
1999 MERCEDES-BENZ E320 4MATIC AWD
VIN: WDBJH82F5XX027367
STATION WAGON
3.2L V6 FI SOHC 18V
GASOLINE
ALL WHEEL DRIVE
No accidents reported to CARFAX
No other damage reported to CARFAX
3 Previous owners
31 Service history records
Personal vehicle
111,000 Last reported odometer reading
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CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have 
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CARFAX Detailed History
Owner 1
Purchased: 1999
Personal vehicle 
8,261 mi./yr 
Mileage:Source: Comments:
8/12/99
25 mi.
Idaho 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Boise, ID   Odometer reading reported
Titled or registered as
personal vehicle 
9/14/99
Idaho 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Boise, ID 
Title #999046334Title issued or updated
First owner reported 
2/19/00
5,000 mi.
Idaho 
Inspection Station 
Ada County, ID  Passed emissions inspection
10/14/00
10,000 mi.
Idaho 
Inspection Station 
Ada County, ID  Passed emissions inspection
9/6/01
15,869 mi.
Idaho 
Inspection Station 
Ada County, ID  Passed emissions inspection
1/2/02
19,807 mi.
Lyle Pearson Premier Motor Car 
Spokane, WA 
509-892-9200 
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om  Tail light assembly replaced
Tire(s) replaced 
4/24/02
Mercedes-Benz of Eugene 
Eugene, OR 
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mbeugene.comRecommended maintenance performed
Antifreeze/coolant flushed/changed
Brake fluid flushed/changed
Brake pad sensor(s) replaced
Front brake pads replaced
Tire(s) balanced
Tires rotated 

Low mileage! This owner drove less than the industry average of 15,000 miles 
per year.

Owner 2
Purchased: 2002
Personal vehicle 
5,778 mi./yr 
Mileage:Source: Comments:
4/29/02
23,169 mi.
Oregon 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Eugene, OR  Odometer reading reported
5/17/02
Oregon 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Eugene, OR 
Title #0213723813   Title issued or updated
New owner reported 
6/5/02
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Door trim panel replaced/repaired
Engine checked
Engine oil/fluid leak checked
Engine/powertrain computer/module reprogrammed
Fuel system checked
Instrument cluster checked
Instrument panel replaced
Oil and filter changed
Shift linkage repaired
Transfer case fluid checked
Transfer case overhauled/replaced
6/25/02
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Rear seatbelt assembly replaced
Seatbelts checked
Window(s) checked 
10/1/02
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Engine/powertrain computer/module reprogrammed
Noise checked
Transmission checked
Transmission fluid/oil leak checked
Valve body overhauled/resealed
Valve body replaced 
7/31/03
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Eugene, OR 
541-687- 
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Computer(s) checked
Fuel injection system checked
Mass air flow sensor replaced 
8/13/03
Mercedes-Benz of Eugene 
Eugene, OR 
541-687- 
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Electrical system checked
Engine/powertrain computer/module reprogrammed
Rear window regulator(s) replaced 
9/5/03
Mercedes-Benz of Eugene 
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541-687- 
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Oxygen sensor replaced 
6/16/04
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Eugene, OR 
541-687- 
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6/30/05
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Mercedes-Benz of Eugene 
Eugene, OR 
541-687- 
mbeugene.comRecommended maintenance performed
Antifreeze/coolant flushed/changed
Brake fluid flushed/changed
Cooling system serviced
Fuel filter replaced
Light bulb(s) replaced
Oil and filter changed
Oxygen sensor replaced
Spark plug(s) replaced
Steering damper replaced
Tire condition and pressure checked 
9/29/06
49,657 mi.
Mercedes-Benz of Eugene 
Eugene, OR 
541-687

Re: [MBZ] Driveline parts replaced on '83 300TD

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I nominate Curt to be the next pepper jelly tester
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 18, 2017 6:12:24 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>The "OEM" replacement flex disks from FCP Euro were Febi.  The center
>support was Beck-Arnley.
>
>The rear flex disk, as suspected, was shredded.  It had no markings so
>I
>don't know the brand. When it blew it caused the center support bearing
>to
>fail.  The front flex disk was old but still sound but of course I
>replaced
>it as well.  It appears to have been original to the car.  My tech
>confirmed that aftermarket drive line parts are no bargain, which
>confirms
>what everyone on the list told me.
>
>Lesson learned.  Who gets the pepper jelly?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: dead macbook pro

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> OWC wants $400 for a replacement...
>

SSD?
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:05:28 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


> > Save 5% on all orders over $99
> > Save 10% on items marked SALE
> > Save 15% on items marked CLEARANCE
> > Use code SAVENOW at checkout

I selected Brembo rotors for the front brakes, but my only choices for the
rears are:
- Bosch QuietCast $23.99 Made in Italy, shipping wt  7.690
- Manufacture Quality: Aftermarket
- Bosch QuietCast $25.74 Made in Italy, shipping wt 10.000
- Manufacture Quality: Aftermarket
- Zimmermann  $32.24 Not specified, shipping wt  7.090
- Manufacture Quality: OEM
- Genuine MB  $45.74 Made in Germany, shipping wt 7.000
- Manfacture Quality: Genuine

I'm thinking the heaver Bosch is what I should get.

Going back to the front rotors, Brembo is the lightest:

- Bosch QuietCast $36.74 Made in Italy, shipping wt 14.320
- Manufacture Quality: Aftermarket
- Genuine MB  $64.49 Not specified, shipping wt 14.491
- Manufacture Quality: Genuine
- Brembo  $45.74 Made in Italy, shipping wt 13.150
- Manufacture Quality: OEM

Maybe I should make another choice?

Should I get wear sensors, too?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

What he said or buy any "old" travel trailer which has a shower. If it's too 
hot, buy a cheap AC and stick it in a window. Also, RV trailers are sometimes 
for rent in RV parks. I saved a ton of money doing that when I was transferred 
to Atlanta for several years.
Gerry

Jim Cathey wrote:
> Buy a 'hunter's special' camper and find a monthly RV site?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: dead macbook pro

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

OWC wants $400 for a replacement...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes wrote:   yeah a wonky HD will make them wonky

--FT


On 7/18/17 6:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I've got an early retina MacBook pro courtesy of my employer. It's been 
> getting wonky of late, slow and laggy in particular. Today I figured I'd pop 
> the back and clean the fans. This unit is very serviceable that way and I 
> pulled a couple little dust bunnies out of the heat sinks but nothing to 
> explain the issues I've had.
> Put it back together and now it won't boot. Hardware test suggests a bad 
> drive. It will boot into target disk mode so I've bought a thunderbolt cable 
> to give that a try...
> I'd told my boss it was time for a replacement.
> Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: dead macbook pro

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yeah a wonky HD will make them wonky

--FT


On 7/18/17 6:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've got an early retina MacBook pro courtesy of my employer. It's been getting 
wonky of late, slow and laggy in particular. Today I figured I'd pop the back 
and clean the fans. This unit is very serviceable that way and I pulled a 
couple little dust bunnies out of the heat sinks but nothing to explain the 
issues I've had.
Put it back together and now it won't boot. Hardware test suggests a bad drive. 
It will boot into target disk mode so I've bought a thunderbolt cable to give 
that a try...
I'd told my boss it was time for a replacement.
Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Driveline parts replaced on '83 300TD

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

A.S. Sez:

>Lesson learned. Who gets the pepper >jelly?

Your mechanic as a reward for patience.

Rick
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[MBZ] OT: dead macbook pro

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've got an early retina MacBook pro courtesy of my employer. It's been getting 
wonky of late, slow and laggy in particular. Today I figured I'd pop the back 
and clean the fans. This unit is very serviceable that way and I pulled a 
couple little dust bunnies out of the heat sinks but nothing to explain the 
issues I've had.
Put it back together and now it won't boot. Hardware test suggests a bad drive. 
It will boot into target disk mode so I've bought a thunderbolt cable to give 
that a try...
I'd told my boss it was time for a replacement.
Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You could use a flat blade screwdriver in the locks on my 68 Chevy pickup.



On 18/07/2017 5:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I think I told the story once of how when I was fairly young I had 
gone to the store with my granddaddy, he had a newish gold and white 
Chevy (I think) pickup truck.  This was in a smallish town. We go in 
the grocery and get stuff, come out and get in the truck, he puts in 
the key and starts it up getting ready to drive off.  I am sensing 
something is not quite right so I say to him, this is not your truck.  
He says sure it is, and we discuss it a bit and then he says yeah 
you're right.  We look behind and his truck, identical to this one we 
were in that opened and started right up, was in the row behind us, 
same slot.  So we got our bags and got out of it into his truck.  It 
was pretty funny.  It gave him stories for quite awhile.  I have 
thought about that, what are the odds, identical trucks in the same 
small town, parked right next to one another at that time and place?


--R




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[MBZ] Driveline parts replaced on '83 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The "OEM" replacement flex disks from FCP Euro were Febi.  The center
support was Beck-Arnley.

The rear flex disk, as suspected, was shredded.  It had no markings so I
don't know the brand. When it blew it caused the center support bearing to
fail.  The front flex disk was old but still sound but of course I replaced
it as well.  It appears to have been original to the car.  My tech
confirmed that aftermarket drive line parts are no bargain, which confirms
what everyone on the list told me.

Lesson learned.  Who gets the pepper jelly?
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[clay via Mercedes]

Around the Soviet Socialist Republic of Seattle, you can call parking 
enforcement, who will gladly come onto private property and write out $500 
tickets to cripple violators

clay

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On July 18, 2017 at 12:56 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I've emailed complaints about handicapped parking illegally being used by 
>> the hotel manager  and assistant manager day after day and nothing being 
>> done about it. 
> 
> Find somebody who can write a $100 parking ticket and have them come write a 
> couple. After you move out. They have citizen parking enforcers just to write 
> handicap violations, shouldn't be too hard to find one. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think I told the story once of how when I was fairly young I had gone 
to the store with my granddaddy, he had a newish gold and white Chevy (I 
think) pickup truck.  This was in a smallish town. We go in the grocery 
and get stuff, come out and get in the truck, he puts in the key and 
starts it up getting ready to drive off.  I am sensing something is not 
quite right so I say to him, this is not your truck.  He says sure it 
is, and we discuss it a bit and then he says yeah you're right.  We look 
behind and his truck, identical to this one we were in that opened and 
started right up, was in the row behind us, same slot.  So we got our 
bags and got out of it into his truck.  It was pretty funny.  It gave 
him stories for quite awhile.  I have thought about that, what are the 
odds, identical trucks in the same small town, parked right next to one 
another at that time and place?


--R


On 7/18/17 4:10 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

Back in the day Jeeps used GM ignition and door locks.

  


Greg

  


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Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

  


Did I miss something? Why would GM keys work in a Jeep?

  


Did you mean AMC?

  


-Curt

  


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Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

  


A long time back (circa 1988?) I was working at JFKIA in the Pan Am terminal. I 
was driving a Jeep, parked on the rooftop parking and locked the door with my 
keys still in the ignition. At least I didn't leave the engine running as I had 
in my previous lockout blunder with my brother's VW beetle. Anyway, I asked 
each of my coworkers to lend me their GM car keys for a few minutes. Armed with 
about a half-dozen sets I went back up. I had tried about half of the keys 
before the lock cooperated.

I'm pretty sure that technique would not be effective any more, especially not 
on a Mercedes!

Greg


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

Craig,
I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.  :-)
I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.
Good luck,
Addison



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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe not, but EVs will surely increase in market share overall going
forward.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:57 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very
> long time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of
> the way homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local
> genny and all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.
> I do not think a snow machine will be battery powered.
>
>
> clay
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics
> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also,
> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished:
> Monday,
> >> July 17, 2017
> >>
> >> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >> vehicles.
> >>
> >> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> >> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
> to a
> >> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >>
> >> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
> the
> >> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
> PLC's
> >> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
> ASA,
> >> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >> sales by 2030.
> >>
> >> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >>
> >> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >> batteries.
> >>
> >> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530
> million on
> >> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >>  oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
> >> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] AMG

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The price of these cars is directly proportional to their ages.

The otherwise lovely white 280SE has a driver's seat that appears to have
been gnawed by a grizzly bear.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:49 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I attended the AMG 50th gathering the other day.  Some of the cars were
> interesting.  Looks like they really appeal to the bottom feeders and gear
> heads.  The newest stuff was prastic, and the older cars were all rebuilt
> or barn finds in the process.  I figured I should look for one for the
> stable, since the old ones are pretty crusty and cheap.
>
> I did not find anything that suited.  But here are a few cars that might
> pique the interest of others
>
>
> Dan, if still in the fintail market—
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-se-
> cabriolet-coupe/6217170485.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-diesel-
> fintail/6220805323.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/d/mercedes-se/6203357005.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-benz-se/6212796073.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/mercedes-se/6190389982.html
>
>
>
> Kaleb, who likes green things--
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-coupe-
> hard-to-find/6220051265.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/mercedes-benz-
> sedan/6198425158.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/d/mercedes/6216584464.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6206350442.html
>
>
> I would have lists for  Andrew, but the TDs are pretty toasted.
>
> One for the Zombie Hunters
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/frankenbenz-
> turbo-diesel/6225397799.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Unimog anyone?

[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/unimog/6213259450.html

https://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/cto/d/unimog-needs-work/6211656560.html


One or two out my way, for the interested

clay


> On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do we still have some lurkers on this list who are into Unimogs?  Jason
> Brown?
> 
> Theres a 1971 406 for sale by me here in NJ.  Its got a OM352 in it that
> runs, but its really rusty.  The clutch and brake hydraulics are bad, so it
> doesn't go or stop.  Most of the gear shift levers are stuck.
> 
> Its a disaster.  But its worth saving.  They're asking around $10k, but
> they are to the point of accepting much less I think.
> 
> https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-unimog-model/6222153271.html
> 
> Let me know...
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[clay via Mercedes]

I doubt the Great White North will be using electric things for a very long 
time.  The big cities might be able to push electrons, but the out of the way 
homes are SOL on electron power.  They import #2 to power the local genny and 
all the other Tech that keeps them on the verge of civilization.  I do not 
think a snow machine will be battery powered.


clay

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics 
> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, 
> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>> July 17, 2017
>> 
>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>> vehicles.
>> 
>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>> 
>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>> sales by 2030.
>> 
>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>> 
>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>> batteries.
>> 
>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>> ,
>> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

And I learned something.
Curt

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Back in the day Jeeps used GM ignition and door locks.

  

Greg

  

From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:53 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

  

Did I miss something? Why would GM keys work in a Jeep?

  

Did you mean AMC?

  

-Curt

  

From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

  

A long time back (circa 1988?) I was working at JFKIA in the Pan Am terminal. I 
was driving a Jeep, parked on the rooftop parking and locked the door with my 
keys still in the ignition. At least I didn't leave the engine running as I had 
in my previous lockout blunder with my brother's VW beetle. Anyway, I asked 
each of my coworkers to lend me their GM car keys for a few minutes. Armed with 
about a half-dozen sets I went back up. I had tried about half of the keys 
before the lock cooperated.

I'm pretty sure that technique would not be effective any more, especially not 
on a Mercedes!

Greg


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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: as.thomp...@cox.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

Craig,
I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.  :-)
I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.
Good luck,
Addison



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[MBZ] AMG

[clay via Mercedes]

I attended the AMG 50th gathering the other day.  Some of the cars were 
interesting.  Looks like they really appeal to the bottom feeders and gear 
heads.  The newest stuff was prastic, and the older cars were all rebuilt or 
barn finds in the process.  I figured I should look for one for the stable, 
since the old ones are pretty crusty and cheap.

I did not find anything that suited.  But here are a few cars that might pique 
the interest of others


Dan, if still in the fintail market—

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-se-cabriolet-coupe/6217170485.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-diesel-fintail/6220805323.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/d/mercedes-se/6203357005.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-benz-se/6212796073.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/mercedes-se/6190389982.html



Kaleb, who likes green things--

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-coupe-hard-to-find/6220051265.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/mercedes-benz-sedan/6198425158.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/d/mercedes/6216584464.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6206350442.html


I would have lists for  Andrew, but the TDs are pretty toasted.

One for the Zombie Hunters

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/frankenbenz-turbo-diesel/6225397799.html







clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Are you sure that you want to make trouble for them?

The hotel is trying to get more money out of you, but everyone needs to 
eat. If you are not happy, then go somewhere else, but why try to make 
trouble?
If there are handicapped folks who are in need of the parking, they will 
likely complain on their own.

Why rock the boat?
"Getting even" may leave you feeling guilty and regretting it.


On 18/07/2017 4:15 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Ok. I'll give them a call tomorrow.
Thanks.

Michael E. Esh



On Jul 18, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:



On July 18, 2017 at 2:28 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:


Generally, each municipality has either a police force or sheriff's office
that would enforce that sort of law.

And I'm sure the AAPD knows who the authorized volunteer handicap enforcers are 
too.
If the $190 price I just found is correct, that's well worth 15 minutes of a 
sworn officer's time. But since you already complained to the hotel about it, 
they'll assume you caused it if they suddenly get $380 worth of tickets 
tomorrow. It would make an excellent parting gift when you move out.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please? Kaleb?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Here's the data card:

http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_DatacardAction.php?lang=E&vin=wdbjh82f5xx027367

-d

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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> 
> wdbjh82f5xx027367
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Ok. I'll give them a call tomorrow.  
Thanks. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On July 18, 2017 at 2:28 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Generally, each municipality has either a police force or sheriff's office
>> that would enforce that sort of law.
> 
> And I'm sure the AAPD knows who the authorized volunteer handicap enforcers 
> are too. 
> If the $190 price I just found is correct, that's well worth 15 minutes of a 
> sworn officer's time. But since you already complained to the hotel about it, 
> they'll assume you caused it if they suddenly get $380 worth of tickets 
> tomorrow. It would make an excellent parting gift when you move out. 
> 
> Mitch.
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[MBZ] Carfax Please? Kaleb?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Hi:

 

I'm looking at a 1999 E320 wagon, wdbjh82f5xx027367

 

I would appreciate a carfax report.

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, Kaleb!

I bought a set of OE front discs and some Akebono (ceramic) pads for the E320.  
With the discount I saved about $5.00 over my cost from the dealer, but I 
didn't pay tax or have to go pick them up, so that's worth something.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Date: July 18, 2017 at 10:08:17 AM CDT
>> To: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>> Subject: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts
>> Reply-To: Matt at eEuro 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 18, 2017 at 2:28 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Generally, each municipality has either a police force or sheriff's office
> that would enforce that sort of law.

And I'm sure the AAPD knows who the authorized volunteer handicap enforcers are 
too. 
If the $190 price I just found is correct, that's well worth 15 minutes of a 
sworn officer's time. But since you already complained to the hotel about it, 
they'll assume you caused it if they suddenly get $380 worth of tickets 
tomorrow. It would make an excellent parting gift when you move out. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Back in the day Jeeps used GM ignition and door locks.

 

Greg

 

From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:53 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

 

Did I miss something? Why would GM keys work in a Jeep?

 

Did you mean AMC?

 

-Curt

 

  _  

From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

 

A long time back (circa 1988?) I was working at JFKIA in the Pan Am terminal. I 
was driving a Jeep, parked on the rooftop parking and locked the door with my 
keys still in the ignition. At least I didn't leave the engine running as I had 
in my previous lockout blunder with my brother's VW beetle. Anyway, I asked 
each of my coworkers to lend me their GM car keys for a few minutes. Armed with 
about a half-dozen sets I went back up. I had tried about half of the keys 
before the lock cooperated.

I'm pretty sure that technique would not be effective any more, especially not 
on a Mercedes!

Greg


-Original Message-
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as.thompson--- via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: as.thomp...@cox.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

Craig,
I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.  :-)
I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.
Good luck,
Addison



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[MBZ] Fwd: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Sent from my iPhone


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Matt at eEuro 
> Date: July 18, 2017 at 10:08:17 AM CDT
> To: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Help us make space in our warehouse by saving 15% on Clearance parts
> Reply-To: Matt at eEuro 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Save 5% on all orders over $99
> Save 10% on items marked SALE
> Save 15% on items marked CLEARANCE
> Use code SAVENOW at checkout
> We already mark Sale and Clearance items down significantly, which means if 
> you use SAVENOW you could be getting items at or below cost. As we constantly 
> add new parts to our inventory, we need to make space by getting rid of the 
> old ones. 
> 
> To see Sale & Clearance parts that fit your car, simply select your vehicle 
> using the Vehicle Selector at the top of the page and click the Specials 
> category.
> 
> Matt Moran
> President & CEO
> eEuroparts.com
> Save Now
> Or save 10% on in-app purchases of any size
>
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Struttin on my lunch break

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Back at the beginning of June I took my Jetta to work after it had sat a week 
while we were on vacation. On the highway it felt like one of the rear tires 
was soft, the rear of the car felt like it wasn't completely under my control. 
I didn't know what was wrong but it didn't feel good to drive so I parked it.
Two weeks ago it occurred to me it might be rear struts, I did the bounce test 
on the rear of the car and sure enough the driver's side bounced more than the 
passenger's.
Yesterday I ordered new rear struts from my local Federated Auto Parts store. 
$230ish after tax for the pair. These were the whole assembly not just the 
shocks, I figured the springs were probably tired too.
Last night I took the car to game night and realized I could hear the driver's 
rear strut make a clunk every time it hit a bump, confirmation!

Two bolts for this job which doesn't take into account what a PITA it is to get 
the bottom mount out of the lower arm. Fortunately the lower arm is hollow so 
you can shove something in there (I used 4' of 1 1/8" angle iron) to lever the 
lower arm down to permit the strut to come out. I also learned on the passenger 
side that if you jack up both sides of the car you get a little more droop 
which is critical when the shock isn't dead.
Still it only took me right on an hour including cleaning up. Car drives as it 
should now.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did I miss something? Why would GM keys work in a Jeep?
Did you mean AMC?
-Curt


  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)
   
A long time back (circa 1988?) I was working at JFKIA in the Pan Am terminal. I 
was driving a Jeep, parked on the rooftop parking and locked the door with my 
keys still in the ignition. At least I didn't leave the engine running as I had 
in my previous lockout blunder with my brother's VW beetle. Anyway, I asked 
each of my coworkers to lend me their GM car keys for a few minutes. Armed with 
about a half-dozen sets I went back up. I had tried about half of the keys 
before the lock cooperated.

I'm pretty sure that technique would not be effective any more, especially not 
on a Mercedes!

Greg

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as.thompson--- via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: as.thomp...@cox.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

Craig,
I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.  :-)
I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.
Good luck,
Addison



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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Sorry to hear that. 
> Best wishes for her recovery. 

Thank you, Mitch.


> ... did you say the central lock pump wasn't working currently?

The central lock pump is working properly. It's the door actuators which
are not all working properly. In addition, the driver's door lock cylinder
turns correctly (top of key forward) to unlock the door, but it does not
turn at all top of key backward to lock the door. The passenger door lock
turns both directions with some difficulty.

Once everything is correct, I will always lock our car with the key in the
door, which, of course, eliminates the problem of leaving the keys inside.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Generally, each municipality has either a police force or sheriff's office
that would enforce that sort of law.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
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> Not sure who to contact or how to find someone who could write the
> violators a ticket.
>
> Michael E. Esh
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Not sure who to contact or how to find someone who could write the violators a 
ticket. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On July 18, 2017 at 12:56 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I've emailed complaints about handicapped parking illegally being used by 
>> the hotel manager  and assistant manager day after day and nothing being 
>> done about it. 
> 
> Find somebody who can write a $100 parking ticket and have them come write a 
> couple. After you move out. They have citizen parking enforcers just to write 
> handicap violations, shouldn't be too hard to find one. 
> 
> Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] 1971 Datsun 510 Sedan Project | Bring a Trailer

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Overrated jap crap. Might as well get a BMW 2002.

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> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> These haven't quite reached cult status yet.
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-datsun-510-4-door-sedan/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-07-18
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Breaking Bad

https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Bad-Season-Bryan-Cranston/dp/B001DJLCRC/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_74_img_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=BGGAB6FYAAS49S59RQH0

If you've got Amazon Prime, and a decent data pipe, you can watch for about
99 cents per episode.  Very entertaining.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Heisenberg breaking bad, he liked those old campers
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 7/18/17 1:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:37:33 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Heisenberg?  Is that you?
>>>
>> Heisenberg (of uncertainty principle fame) or Hindenberg?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Heisenberg breaking bad, he liked those old campers

--FT


On 7/18/17 1:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:37:33 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


Heisenberg?  Is that you?

Heisenberg (of uncertainty principle fame) or Hindenberg?


Craig

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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 1971 Datsun 510 Sedan Project | Bring a Trailer

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I recently saw a couple of these on the road in some sort of restored 
condition. It looked like they were set up for racing? It struck me as weird.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] 1971 Datsun 510 Sedan Project | Bring a Trailer

These haven't quite reached cult status yet.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-datsun-510-4-door-sedan/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-07-18
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 18, 2017 at 12:56 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>  I've emailed complaints about handicapped parking illegally being used by 
> the hotel manager  and assistant manager day after day and nothing being done 
> about it. 

Find somebody who can write a $100 parking ticket and have them come write a 
couple. After you move out. They have citizen parking enforcers just to write 
handicap violations, shouldn't be too hard to find one. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:37:33 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Heisenberg?  Is that you?

Heisenberg (of uncertainty principle fame) or Hindenberg?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

A long time back (circa 1988?) I was working at JFKIA in the Pan Am terminal. I 
was driving a Jeep, parked on the rooftop parking and locked the door with my 
keys still in the ignition. At least I didn't leave the engine running as I had 
in my previous lockout blunder with my brother's VW beetle. Anyway, I asked 
each of my coworkers to lend me their GM car keys for a few minutes. Armed with 
about a half-dozen sets I went back up. I had tried about half of the keys 
before the lock cooperated.

I'm pretty sure that technique would not be effective any more, especially not 
on a Mercedes!

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

Craig,
I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.   :-)
I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.
Good luck,
Addison



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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Thanks for the help. Some good ideas. I'm currently waiting for a response from 
corporate customer service which the district manager would not provide.  I'm 
not holding out much hope for a reasonable resolution.   I've emailed 
complaints about handicapped parking illegally being used by the hotel manager  
and assistant manager day after day and nothing being done about it. 
Not a very customer service oriented company. 
Thanks again,

Mike



> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Air bnb?
> And no I haven't tried it, but it looks promising
> https://www.airbnb.com/s/Ann-Arbor--MI?s_tag=airing_override[]=
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Heisenberg?  Is that you?

--FT


On 7/18/17 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Spray the inside with bleach before you move in, burn it to the ground when 
you're done...
-Curt


   From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

Buy a 'hunter's special' camper and find a monthly RV site?


-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Spray the inside with bleach before you move in, burn it to the ground when 
you're done...
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

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Buy a 'hunter's special' camper and find a monthly RV site?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 1971 Datsun 510 Sedan Project | Bring a Trailer

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have my granddaddy's 72 510 wagon sitting in a storage bin after I 
pulled it out of the barn where it had sat for 20some years.  I guess it 
has been maybe 35 years now since it was parked.  "ran when parked!"  It 
is in pretty good shape, other than it has become a hantavirus hangout, 
the body has a few bends in it but nothing bad.  Baby blue, it's all 
there.  I did some reading on these, there are active groups of guys 
upgrading these with newer Nissan turbo motors and running gear, 
apparently it is not too hard to do with a bit of welding in some new 
mounts and such, and a lot of later bits fit in/on these easily.  Lot of 
racing uses for them and just hot rodding.


Seeing the light of day after 20some years



Another project...

--FT
On 7/18/17 11:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

These haven't quite reached cult status yet.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-datsun-510-4-door-sedan/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-07-18
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Re: [MBZ] Not only am I high on crack cocaine, it I am also posting from the future

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Perhaps the seller took a logical guess at how long it will take to sell
the abused and derelict POS?

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I guess we will find out in about 2032
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The pharmaceutical options in the future are much more varied and
> powerful
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >> On 7/17/17 11:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> 88 Mercedes-Benz 560
> >> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6222449114.html
> >>
> >> via cPro for Craigslist
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> large or petty,
> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
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[MBZ] 1971 Datsun 510 Sedan Project | Bring a Trailer

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

These haven't quite reached cult status yet.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-datsun-510-4-door-sedan/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-07-18
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I don't know anything about the car other than what he posted.  I do have about 
10 pictures if anyone wants to see them.  Car looks very solid.  

Don Snook 

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Wimauma?

That's a little scary.  Wimauma is a pretty tough place. I think I've seen the 
car on CL.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:30 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is a guy in a Facebook car club I'm in that has a 1980 240D for sale. 
> It has 195K miles. Looks pretty good in the pictures.  I can send pictures.  
> A/c is cold.  It's not mine, no benefits to me, just passing info along. 
> 
> He says he wants $2900 (which seems HIGH to me), but he notes he is willing 
> to negotiate. 
> 
> Lives in Wimauma Florida. 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Great news Craig!  I was wondering how you were going to work this out. 

Don Snook 

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Subject: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

I ended up searching on the net for "auto lockout albuquerque, nm" and got a 
number of hits. I took the first one.

They came out and used small, inflatable air bags, which they slid between the 
door and the body. A few pumps on the inflator bulbs, and they had enough 
opening to slide a long rod about 1/8" in diameter in. They were unsuccessful 
at pulling up the door button, but were successful in snagging my keys off the 
center console.

That cost $120 and I can submit it to USAA for reimbursement.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Holy cow, those airbags are practically free at Amazon.com:
https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=pump%20wedge%20lockout%20tool

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 17, 2017 at 8:22 PM "as.thompson--- via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Craig,
> I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
> ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
> called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
> seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.   :-)
> I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.

A W124 should be highly if not completely resistant to a Slim Jim.
I locked my keys in my Citation twice back in the 1980s. 
The first time was at MSU, where a campus cop slim jimmed it in under five 
seconds. The 2nd time I bought a Slim Jim at Carquest and did it myself, the 
actual Slim Jim work took about 15 minutes, but would have been a matter of 
seconds if I stuck it in precisely the right spot the first time. 
Haven't used the Slim Jim in nearly 30 years, anybody want to buy it?

Anyway, the job they did for Craig used one of these, look like it costs about 
4x what I paid for the Slim Jim in the 1980s: 
https://www.lockpickshop.com/AO65.html

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Rent a room in a sorority!

On second thought, that would make any sane growed-ass man insane in 
about 3 hours


--FT


On 7/18/17 10:19 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

It's mid July.
That would take care of his needs for the next month, but he'd need to do 
something else from late August-October.


On July 18, 2017 at 10:06 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:


Summer in a college town -- sublets?  Look on CL or call the school
housing office?

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 18, 2017 at 1:17 AM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> No, not yet. I've been spending my time at the hospital in Shirley's
> room. She's been having some complications with her diabetes and may
> have developed pneumonia.


Sorry to hear that. 
Best wishes for her recovery. 

Being this is a W124, and assuming you plan on keeping it long term, what about 
remote entry? I may have a kit which would work. 
JimC posted instructions on doing it at the vac pump in the trunk, but did you 
say the central lock pump wasn't working currently?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

It's mid July. 
That would take care of his needs for the next month, but he'd need to do 
something else from late August-October. 

> On July 18, 2017 at 10:06 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Summer in a college town -- sublets?  Look on CL or call the school 
> housing office?

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Re: [MBZ] Not only am I high on crack cocaine, it I am also posting from the future

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess we will find out in about 2032

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The pharmaceutical options in the future are much more varied and powerful
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 7/17/17 11:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> 88 Mercedes-Benz 560
>> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6222449114.html
>> 
>> via cPro for Craigslist
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> Winston Churchill:
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Not only am I high on crack cocaine, it I am also posting from the future

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The pharmaceutical options in the future are much more varied and powerful

--FT


On 7/17/17 11:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


88 Mercedes-Benz 560
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6222449114.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iApp
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

MAGA!

--FT


On 7/17/17 11:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

American ingenuity.  Nothing like it.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Crap! Around here they charge $25-$50 for that.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes 

wrote:

I ended up searching on the net for "auto lockout albuquerque, nm" and

got

a number of hits. I took the first one.

They came out and used small, inflatable air bags, which they slid

between

the door and the body. A few pumps on the inflator bulbs, and they had
enough opening to slide a long rod about 1/8" in diameter in. They were
unsuccessful at pulling up the door button, but were successful in
snagging my keys off the center console.

That cost $120 and I can submit it to USAA for reimbursement.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Summer in a college town -- sublets?  Look on CL or call the school 
housing office?


--FT


On 7/18/17 7:17 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:

I'm working in Ann Arbor now through October. I work 2 weeks then take 1 week 
off.  I'm looking for a place to stay that has kitchen facilities.  I am 
currently staying at Extended Stay America hotel for $93.00 per night taxes 
included. Our original agreement $71.00 but because I wasn't staying for 30 
days straight they raised the price. When I complained the Manager's boss he 
said the manager did not have the authority to make the agreement and if I did 
not want pay $93.00 to stay somewhere else.  Needless to say I am very 
frustrated and looking for other accommodations.

Any thoughts on where to start looking?  I need a basic kitchen and a place to 
lay my head.  The hotels in the area do not have kitchen facilities.  I'm 
thinking of renting something by the month, maybe an apartment or home for the 
duration of the job. I currently spending about 93.00 x 21 days, $1953.00 on an 
average.

Thanks,
Mike



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Re: [MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Air bnb?
And no I haven't tried it, but it looks promising. 

https://www.airbnb.com/s/Ann-Arbor--MI?s_tag=gyHZsxxk&allow_override[]=

Rick
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[MBZ] Looking for temporary housing in Ann Arbor.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I'm working in Ann Arbor now through October. I work 2 weeks then take 1 week 
off.  I'm looking for a place to stay that has kitchen facilities.  I am 
currently staying at Extended Stay America hotel for $93.00 per night taxes 
included. Our original agreement $71.00 but because I wasn't staying for 30 
days straight they raised the price. When I complained the Manager's boss he 
said the manager did not have the authority to make the agreement and if I did 
not want pay $93.00 to stay somewhere else.  Needless to say I am very 
frustrated and looking for other accommodations. 

Any thoughts on where to start looking?  I need a basic kitchen and a place to 
lay my head.  The hotels in the area do not have kitchen facilities.  I'm 
thinking of renting something by the month, maybe an apartment or home for the 
duration of the job. I currently spending about 93.00 x 21 days, $1953.00 on an 
average. 

Thanks,
Mike



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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That's the rental I had. Lots of fancy displays and stuff. In the three weeks I 
had mine I averages around 39 mpg.  Tiny fuel tank, like ten gallons. I think I 
put less than 15 gallons of gas in it for the three weeks.

Just for grins I looked at what one cost new - depending on how it was 
optioned, about $25-$30k. However, there were a number of local dealers that 
had demos or program cars with low miles and full warranties you could purchase 
in the mid teens. That would make sense.

Eight year warranty on the battery and related components.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> OK Don wrote:
>> Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
>> will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
>> around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
>> hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.
> 
> Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
> accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long 
> distances, and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius 
> technoloy  and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more 
> popular and more widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 
> lbs and got an average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Wimauma?

That's a little scary.  Wimauma is a pretty tough place. I think I've seen the 
car on CL.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:30 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> There is a guy in a Facebook car club I'm in that has a 1980 240D for sale. 
> It has 195K miles. Looks pretty good in the pictures.  I can send pictures.  
> A/c is cold.  It's not mine, no benefits to me, just passing info along. 
> 
> He says he wants $2900 (which seems HIGH to me), but he notes he is willing 
> to negotiate. 
> 
> Lives in Wimauma Florida. 
> 
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