[MBZ] Arctic Crack

[Clay via Mercedes]

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/cto/d/anchorage-mercedes/7140555142.html

Green is nice, but not that price

clay 

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4spd

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Agreed. Mine had palomino

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 9:21 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My '80 300D also had the sienna interior.  Very attractive - way prettier
> than palomino.
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:46 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301369967561954
> >
> > 1982 Mercedes-Benz 240 d
> > $3,500
> > Vehicles  >
> > Listed a day ago in Savannah, GA
> > 
> >
> >
> >   About This Vehicle…
> >
> > Driven 160,000 miles
> > Automatic transmission
> > Exterior color: White · Interior color: Tan
> > Fuel type: Diesel
> >
> >
> >   Seller's description…
> >
> > W123 Mercedes 240 D - Manual Runs and drives very smooth. 4 speed
> > manual. Low miles for a 82’ - it’ll run forever Newish shocks and
> > springs, rear tires, battery Pm for more info or photos 3,500. OBO
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4spd

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My '80 300D also had the sienna interior.  Very attractive - way prettier
than palomino.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:46 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301369967561954
>
> 1982 Mercedes-Benz 240 d
> $3,500
> Vehicles 
> Listed a day ago in Savannah, GA
> 
>
>
>   About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 160,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: White · Interior color: Tan
> Fuel type: Diesel
>
>
>   Seller's description…
>
> W123 Mercedes 240 D - Manual Runs and drives very smooth. 4 speed
> manual. Low miles for a 82’ - it’ll run forever Newish shocks and
> springs, rear tires, battery Pm for more info or photos 3,500. OBO
>
> --
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 211 E320 oil change

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I top sucker my 211 E320 for oil change. Don't forget to do  figure 8's
after you change transfer case fluid.
Sounds like you made a goid catch.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 7:28 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I changed the oil in the "new" 211 E320 wagon ("estate").  Easy enough
> once I got a big handle to loosen the pan drain plug which appeared to
> have been tightened by a nuclear-powered socket wrench.
>
> The plastic pan underneath was surprisingly clean, some oily crud but
> not too bad, and the bottom of the engine and oil pan were very clean,
> no major leaks or anything which was also surprising on a 225kmi car.  I
> did a bit of grime cleaning but it wasn't too bad.
>
> The car was originally a NJ resident for a few years but there was no
> rust or anything apparent underneath to cause any concern, that was a
> surprise too.  Does not look 15 years old at all. So I'm hoping it will
> be happy now with new all.  I need to do a trans and transfer case fluid
> change too, diffs too I guess, keep the 4M happy as it seems like it
> might be a little tight these days.  Looks like the transfer case fluid
> is less than a liter, and only available from MB so will track that down.
>
> --
> --FT
>
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[MBZ] 211 E320 oil change

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I changed the oil in the "new" 211 E320 wagon ("estate").  Easy enough 
once I got a big handle to loosen the pan drain plug which appeared to 
have been tightened by a nuclear-powered socket wrench.


The plastic pan underneath was surprisingly clean, some oily crud but 
not too bad, and the bottom of the engine and oil pan were very clean, 
no major leaks or anything which was also surprising on a 225kmi car.  I 
did a bit of grime cleaning but it wasn't too bad.


The car was originally a NJ resident for a few years but there was no 
rust or anything apparent underneath to cause any concern, that was a 
surprise too.  Does not look 15 years old at all. So I'm hoping it will 
be happy now with new all.  I need to do a trans and transfer case fluid 
change too, diffs too I guess, keep the 4M happy as it seems like it 
might be a little tight these days.  Looks like the transfer case fluid 
is less than a liter, and only available from MB so will track that down.


--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Checking lottery ticket

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Or buy MBCA raffle ticket by tomorrow.  One of those is first prize.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 2:51 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2953048494788322
>
> 2018 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S
> $99,900
> $1,858/month estimate
> Customize Estimate
> Dealership· Listed 5 weeks ago in Bluffton, SC
> 
>
>
>   About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 14,158 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
> VIN: WDDYJ7JA4JA019572
> Safety rating
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
>
>
>   Typical Features…
>
>   *
> Leather
>   *
> Panorama Roof
>   *
>
>
>   Seller's description…
>
> Mercedes-Benz Certified! Sold New, Serviced and Traded-In Here. Original
> MSRP $146,420 includes Panorama Roof, AMG Dynamic Plus Package w/Dynamic
> Engine and Transmission Mounts, AMG Dinamica Steering Wheel, Exclusive
> Nappa Leather Package w/Yellow Stitching, lane Tracking/Keeping/Blind
> Spot Assist, AMG Interior and Exterior Night Package, AMG Black Piano
> lacquer Trim, AMG Illuminated Door Sills, 19'' Titanium AMG Wheels.
>
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[MBZ] Checking lottery ticket

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2953048494788322

2018 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S
$99,900
$1,858/month estimate
Customize Estimate
Dealership· Listed 5 weeks ago in Bluffton, SC 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 14,158 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
VIN: WDDYJ7JA4JA019572
Safety rating
Fuel type: Gasoline
16.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined


 Typical Features…

 *
   Leather
 *
   Panorama Roof
 *


 Seller's description…

Mercedes-Benz Certified! Sold New, Serviced and Traded-In Here. Original 
MSRP $146,420 includes Panorama Roof, AMG Dynamic Plus Package w/Dynamic 
Engine and Transmission Mounts, AMG Dinamica Steering Wheel, Exclusive 
Nappa Leather Package w/Yellow Stitching, lane Tracking/Keeping/Blind 
Spot Assist, AMG Interior and Exterior Night Package, AMG Black Piano 
lacquer Trim, AMG Illuminated Door Sills, 19'' Titanium AMG Wheels.


--
--FT

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[MBZ] 240D 4spd

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301369967561954

1982 Mercedes-Benz 240 d
$3,500
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Savannah, GA 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 160,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: White · Interior color: Tan
Fuel type: Diesel


 Seller's description…

W123 Mercedes 240 D - Manual Runs and drives very smooth. 4 speed 
manual. Low miles for a 82’ - it’ll run forever Newish shocks and 
springs, rear tires, battery Pm for more info or photos 3,500. OBO


--
--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death mortality rate study

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks, Peter.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:54 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The only one we've had that gets close to the same description of CoVid-19
> is the H1N1 flu a few years back.  That one turned out, fortunately, to be
> far less virulent and far less transmissible that early indications, so it
> was not declared a pandemic.  Certainly here it was just a bad flu season.
>
> Of course we have a vaccine that more or less works for influenzas, and
> even if the vaccine isn't exactly right, it reduces severity in most
> cases.  Don't have anything yet for this one, speculation and "educated
> guesses" aside.
>
> FEMA did not exist yet for the 1950' flu pandemic.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death mortality rate study

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The only one we've had that gets close to the same description of CoVid-19 is 
the H1N1 flu a few years back.  That one turned out, fortunately, to be far 
less virulent and far less transmissible that early indications, so it was not 
declared a pandemic.  Certainly here it was just a bad flu season.

Of course we have a vaccine that more or less works for influenzas, and even if 
the vaccine isn't exactly right, it reduces severity in most cases.  Don't have 
anything yet for this one, speculation and "educated guesses" aside.

FEMA did not exist yet for the 1950' flu pandemic.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death mortality rate study

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"any of the past pandemics"

What earlier pandemic can be compared to this one?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:37 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Was FEMA activated for any of the past pandemics?  What was different about
> this pandemic that rated FEMA to be activated?
>
> The main issue that I see is that we relied on a terribly flawed model at
> the start, and were operating without a clear understanding of the virus,
> and then the media began stoking the fear, and in every way that the
> President tried to lead, he was viciously attacked and resisted, called a
> racist and mocked.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I can’t speak for Karl, but from what I’ve seen the places that were the
> > least affected were those that were aggressive about testing and contact
> > tracing as soon as things started. We may not be able to cure this
> > currently, but if we can accurately track the infections and those
> exposed
> > to it, we could control the spread far better than we currently have.
> >
> > FEMA has mobilization protocols for events such as this and they even
> > practice for it, but they weren’t mobilized nor involved for the most
> part,
> > other than being directed to intercept or impound supplies for states and
> > private entities for Federal use. FEMA also has very close coordination
> > with state, local and tribal government entities that allows them to
> > mobilize on short notice and with clearly defined framework and protocols
> > for a response to the event.
> >
> > Look up:
> >
> > NDMS (National Disaster Medical System)
> > NRCC (National Response Coordination Center)
> > DMAT (Disaster Medical Assistance Teams)
> >
> > I work with and have been trained as a part of my job to interact and
> > respond with FEMA for such events, so I’m very familiar with what could
> be
> > done and how it would be managed. No one ever gave the order or provided
> > direction. This is the direct responsibility of the office of the
> President
> > to DHS, under which FEMA acts. Period.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 14, 2020, at 2:14 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Karl, Your comments stimulate many questions in my mind.
> > >   As individuals. What should we be doing that we are not doing
> > (behavior, supplements, etc)?
> > >   Specifically what National leadership do you mean (CDC, POTUS,
> > legislators)?
> > >   Does National leadership have jurisdiction or do state/local
> > authorities have jurisdiction?
> > > ...What has National leadership failed to do?
> > >   Is contact tracing really viable (considering the virus was
> widespread
> > before we knew it was here)?
> > >   Why were/are we (the US) so slow with tests, treatments, etc.
> > >   How does this all end?  Do we all get it eventually?  Does it die
> out?
> > >   What are we proles to make of the flip-flop guidance from the experts
> > (masks, isolate indoors, etc.)?
> > >   Who can we believe?  So much seems politically driven, even medical
> > "experts".
> > >   I'm an 70+ year old asthmatic and SWMBO is in her 80s with heart
> > issues so we are hermits, mostly.
> > > Thanks for any insights,
> > > Scott (a skeptic)
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > >>
> > >> It isnt really a balance. The shut down was just to buy time, and it
> > worked, but
> > >> at tremendous cost. The basics of mask wearing, testing and contact
> > tracing to
> > >> isolate and quarantine positives and their contacts involve relatively
> > minimal
> > >> cost, and no threat to civil liberties. And this works. Iceland never
> > shut down at
> > >> all. They just tested lots of people from the first reported case
> > onward, and
> > >> had a team of 50 people testing and tracing the contacts and telling
> > them to
> > >> stay home for two weeks. They have close to zero daily new cases. That
> > is all
> > >> we need to do nationally, but everybody is too busy whining to get on
> > board
> > >> and there is no real leadership at the national level.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 9:08 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The balance that is the main challenge is how to maintain an economy,
> > >>> allow personal rights, and mitigate disease spread. Everyone has the
> > >>> answer depending on various orientations but none of them seem to
> > >>> strike the balance effectively.  I have just kinda decided to go
> about
> > >>> life, take some precautions, but recognizing sooner or later getting
> > >>> infected is a high probability no matter what.  A vaccine is a long
> > >>> time away, if it would even be effective
> > >>>
> > >>> --FT
> > >>>
> > >>> On 6/13/20 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >  Our numbers are still rising in this part of the country. With
> >  

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2006 Mercedes Benz ML500

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

Normally a 722.6 conductor plate puts you in limp mode, which gives you
Park, Neutral, Reverse, and 2nd gear. I'm assuming the 7sp in that 2006 is
similar, but that's just an assumption.

This sounds like it's more messed up than that, but likely electronic
unless it's totally out of fluid.

Like Rich said, plug in a scanner that reads transmission codes and go
from there.


On Sun, June 14, 2020 11:07 am, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Conductor plate?
>


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2006 Mercedes Benz ML500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I don’t know about those transmissions (722.7?), they might work differently 
from the 722.6 in the 163. First thing I’d do is put on a scanner and see if it 
is throwing a trans code or a shifter module. My bet is the latter, a trans 
just doesn’t go bad like that. Could be a fuse too. Could be a reasonable deal 
for closer to $2k if it is otherwise nice. You ought to go look at it with a 
scanner and see what’s going on. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Conductor plate?
> 
> Bob R
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2006 Mercedes Benz ML500
>> 
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[MBZ] Fwd: 2006 Mercedes Benz ML500

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Conductor plate?

Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] Holy crack

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

On Sat, June 13, 2020 9:53 pm, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> It's Dave Hendy. He knows what stuff will bring.

My 2.5 turbo was totaled when I bought it.
My 'conversion kit' was an entire 201.034 with a 'noisy differential' that
turned out to be a 'noisy dogleg Getrag'. Also disclosed was the fact that
the rear suspension was blown (had to replace spheres and control valve).

I paid either $2200 or $2250 for it. Would have been a bargain if the
transmission hadn't needed rebuilding.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death mortality rate study

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Was FEMA activated for any of the past pandemics?  What was different about
this pandemic that rated FEMA to be activated?

The main issue that I see is that we relied on a terribly flawed model at
the start, and were operating without a clear understanding of the virus,
and then the media began stoking the fear, and in every way that the
President tried to lead, he was viciously attacked and resisted, called a
racist and mocked.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I can’t speak for Karl, but from what I’ve seen the places that were the
> least affected were those that were aggressive about testing and contact
> tracing as soon as things started. We may not be able to cure this
> currently, but if we can accurately track the infections and those exposed
> to it, we could control the spread far better than we currently have.
>
> FEMA has mobilization protocols for events such as this and they even
> practice for it, but they weren’t mobilized nor involved for the most part,
> other than being directed to intercept or impound supplies for states and
> private entities for Federal use. FEMA also has very close coordination
> with state, local and tribal government entities that allows them to
> mobilize on short notice and with clearly defined framework and protocols
> for a response to the event.
>
> Look up:
>
> NDMS (National Disaster Medical System)
> NRCC (National Response Coordination Center)
> DMAT (Disaster Medical Assistance Teams)
>
> I work with and have been trained as a part of my job to interact and
> respond with FEMA for such events, so I’m very familiar with what could be
> done and how it would be managed. No one ever gave the order or provided
> direction. This is the direct responsibility of the office of the President
> to DHS, under which FEMA acts. Period.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 2020, at 2:14 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Karl, Your comments stimulate many questions in my mind.
> >   As individuals. What should we be doing that we are not doing
> (behavior, supplements, etc)?
> >   Specifically what National leadership do you mean (CDC, POTUS,
> legislators)?
> >   Does National leadership have jurisdiction or do state/local
> authorities have jurisdiction?
> > ...What has National leadership failed to do?
> >   Is contact tracing really viable (considering the virus was widespread
> before we knew it was here)?
> >   Why were/are we (the US) so slow with tests, treatments, etc.
> >   How does this all end?  Do we all get it eventually?  Does it die out?
> >   What are we proles to make of the flip-flop guidance from the experts
> (masks, isolate indoors, etc.)?
> >   Who can we believe?  So much seems politically driven, even medical
> "experts".
> >   I'm an 70+ year old asthmatic and SWMBO is in her 80s with heart
> issues so we are hermits, mostly.
> > Thanks for any insights,
> > Scott (a skeptic)
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> >>
> >> It isnt really a balance. The shut down was just to buy time, and it
> worked, but
> >> at tremendous cost. The basics of mask wearing, testing and contact
> tracing to
> >> isolate and quarantine positives and their contacts involve relatively
> minimal
> >> cost, and no threat to civil liberties. And this works. Iceland never
> shut down at
> >> all. They just tested lots of people from the first reported case
> onward, and
> >> had a team of 50 people testing and tracing the contacts and telling
> them to
> >> stay home for two weeks. They have close to zero daily new cases. That
> is all
> >> we need to do nationally, but everybody is too busy whining to get on
> board
> >> and there is no real leadership at the national level.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 9:08 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The balance that is the main challenge is how to maintain an economy,
> >>> allow personal rights, and mitigate disease spread. Everyone has the
> >>> answer depending on various orientations but none of them seem to
> >>> strike the balance effectively.  I have just kinda decided to go about
> >>> life, take some precautions, but recognizing sooner or later getting
> >>> infected is a high probability no matter what.  A vaccine is a long
> >>> time away, if it would even be effective
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
> >>> On 6/13/20 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>  Our numbers are still rising in this part of the country. With
>  little to
> >>> no
>  testing we will probably never know the full extent of the disease.
> 
>  On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >  Still pretty hard to really prove that data isn't it? 100,000+
> > deaths
> >>> in
> > the US in 4 months is 3x+ what the flu would get over twice that
> period.
> 

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death mortality rate study

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can’t speak for Karl, but from what I’ve seen the places that were the least 
affected were those that were aggressive about testing and contact tracing as 
soon as things started. We may not be able to cure this currently, but if we 
can accurately track the infections and those exposed to it, we could control 
the spread far better than we currently have.

FEMA has mobilization protocols for events such as this and they even practice 
for it, but they weren’t mobilized nor involved for the most part, other than 
being directed to intercept or impound supplies for states and private entities 
for Federal use. FEMA also has very close coordination with state, local and 
tribal government entities that allows them to mobilize on short notice and 
with clearly defined framework and protocols for a response to the event.

Look up:

NDMS (National Disaster Medical System)
NRCC (National Response Coordination Center)
DMAT (Disaster Medical Assistance Teams)

I work with and have been trained as a part of my job to interact and respond 
with FEMA for such events, so I’m very familiar with what could be done and how 
it would be managed. No one ever gave the order or provided direction. This is 
the direct responsibility of the office of the President to DHS, under which 
FEMA acts. Period.

-D


> On Jun 14, 2020, at 2:14 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Karl, Your comments stimulate many questions in my mind.
>   As individuals. What should we be doing that we are not doing (behavior, 
> supplements, etc)?
>   Specifically what National leadership do you mean (CDC, POTUS, legislators)?
>   Does National leadership have jurisdiction or do state/local authorities 
> have jurisdiction?
> ...What has National leadership failed to do?
>   Is contact tracing really viable (considering the virus was widespread 
> before we knew it was here)?
>   Why were/are we (the US) so slow with tests, treatments, etc.
>   How does this all end?  Do we all get it eventually?  Does it die out?
>   What are we proles to make of the flip-flop guidance from the experts 
> (masks, isolate indoors, etc.)?
>   Who can we believe?  So much seems politically driven, even medical 
> "experts".
>   I'm an 70+ year old asthmatic and SWMBO is in her 80s with heart issues so 
> we are hermits, mostly. 
> Thanks for any insights,
> Scott (a skeptic)
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>> 
>> It isnt really a balance. The shut down was just to buy time, and it worked, 
>> but
>> at tremendous cost. The basics of mask wearing, testing and contact tracing 
>> to
>> isolate and quarantine positives and their contacts involve relatively 
>> minimal
>> cost, and no threat to civil liberties. And this works. Iceland never shut 
>> down at
>> all. They just tested lots of people from the first reported case onward, and
>> had a team of 50 people testing and tracing the contacts and telling them to
>> stay home for two weeks. They have close to zero daily new cases. That is all
>> we need to do nationally, but everybody is too busy whining to get on board
>> and there is no real leadership at the national level.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 9:08 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The balance that is the main challenge is how to maintain an economy,
>>> allow personal rights, and mitigate disease spread. Everyone has the
>>> answer depending on various orientations but none of them seem to
>>> strike the balance effectively.  I have just kinda decided to go about
>>> life, take some precautions, but recognizing sooner or later getting
>>> infected is a high probability no matter what.  A vaccine is a long
>>> time away, if it would even be effective
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 6/13/20 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
 Our numbers are still rising in this part of the country. With
 little to
>>> no
 testing we will probably never know the full extent of the disease.
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
>  Still pretty hard to really prove that data isn't it? 100,000+
> deaths
>>> in
> the US in 4 months is 3x+ what the flu would get over twice that period.
> It'll take a long time before we antibody test enough people to
> really prove those numbers.
> Based on how the US numbers continue to inch down I'm thinking that
>>> having
> a bad "early" COVID season might be a good thing for our later results.
> Brazil's numbers are terrible and rising and thats after having
> very low numbers in the initial 4 months.
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, June 12, 2020, 4:20:37 PM EDT, Max Dillon via
> Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest
> 
> 1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies,
> the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 

Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death mortality rate study

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Karl, Your comments stimulate many questions in my mind.
   As individuals. What should we be doing that we are not doing (behavior, 
supplements, etc)?
   Specifically what National leadership do you mean (CDC, POTUS, legislators)?
   Does National leadership have jurisdiction or do state/local authorities 
have jurisdiction?
...What has National leadership failed to do?
   Is contact tracing really viable (considering the virus was widespread 
before we knew it was here)?
   Why were/are we (the US) so slow with tests, treatments, etc.
   How does this all end?  Do we all get it eventually?  Does it die out?
   What are we proles to make of the flip-flop guidance from the experts 
(masks, isolate indoors, etc.)?
   Who can we believe?  So much seems politically driven, even medical 
"experts".
   I'm an 70+ year old asthmatic and SWMBO is in her 80s with heart issues so 
we are hermits, mostly. 
Thanks for any insights,
Scott (a skeptic)

> -Original Message-
> From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> 
> It isnt really a balance. The shut down was just to buy time, and it worked, 
> but
> at tremendous cost. The basics of mask wearing, testing and contact tracing to
> isolate and quarantine positives and their contacts involve relatively minimal
> cost, and no threat to civil liberties. And this works. Iceland never shut 
> down at
> all. They just tested lots of people from the first reported case onward, and
> had a team of 50 people testing and tracing the contacts and telling them to
> stay home for two weeks. They have close to zero daily new cases. That is all
> we need to do nationally, but everybody is too busy whining to get on board
> and there is no real leadership at the national level.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 9:08 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > The balance that is the main challenge is how to maintain an economy,
> > allow personal rights, and mitigate disease spread. Everyone has the
> > answer depending on various orientations but none of them seem to
> > strike the balance effectively.  I have just kinda decided to go about
> > life, take some precautions, but recognizing sooner or later getting
> > infected is a high probability no matter what.  A vaccine is a long
> > time away, if it would even be effective
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 6/13/20 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Our numbers are still rising in this part of the country. With
> > > little to
> > no
> > > testing we will probably never know the full extent of the disease.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>   Still pretty hard to really prove that data isn't it? 100,000+
> > >> deaths
> > in
> > >> the US in 4 months is 3x+ what the flu would get over twice that period.
> > >> It'll take a long time before we antibody test enough people to
> > >> really prove those numbers.
> > >> Based on how the US numbers continue to inch down I'm thinking that
> > having
> > >> a bad "early" COVID season might be a good thing for our later results.
> > >> Brazil's numbers are terrible and rising and thats after having
> > >> very low numbers in the initial 4 months.
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>  On Friday, June 12, 2020, 4:20:37 PM EDT, Max Dillon via
> > >> Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>   https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest
> > >>
> > >> 1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies,
> > >> the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1%[
> > >> https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/] and thus in the
> > >> range of a strong seasonal influenza[
> > >> https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19] (flu).
> > >>
> > >> 2. Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general
> > population
> > >> of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car
> > >> ride
> > to
> > >>
> work[https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1].
> > The
> > >> risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild
> > >> or
> > no
> > >> symptoms were not taken into account.
> > >>
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
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