[MBZ] 2002 ML55 - 178k miles - $6,200

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Selling this one as it’s our least fuel efficient vehicle, though it’s the 
most fun to drive."

Ambitious pricing, lots of cosmetic issues, supension, tires, plus the blacked 
out hood.

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/brownsburg-2002-mercedes-ml55-amg-w163/7652257003.html
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Re: [MBZ] Keep Driving Our Cars!!!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, at 18:33, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

> I wonder if they will ever get back to the simple, tried, and true.

It seems unlikely to me. There's much more money to be made with the 
complicated, new, and erratic.


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Re: [MBZ] won't start due to low oil?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Undetermined. That would be one of the next steps, to see if the key switch (or 
whatever is responsible for powering the relay) is actually sending power to 
the relay.

Unfortunately some other long-delayed household improvements have been placed 
on the front burner, so my time for car repair activities is limited right now.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, at 17:34, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Are you getting power at the relay?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 4:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> New relay installed, problem persists. Would seem at this point the problem 
>> could be the switch in the key mechanism, or the starter, Anyone know if in 
>> the W211  the key switch directly powers the starter relay or does turning 
>> the key tell the computer to start the car and the computer then activates 
>> the relay?
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 12:11, Allan Streib wrote:
>>> Yes, sometimes it starts normally, sometimes the starter turns maybe 
>>> one cylinder stroke then stops, sometimes starter acts totally dead.
>>> 
>>> Any harm in turning the ignition “on” then using a jumper on the relay 
>>> socket, just to rule out the relay?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 11:20, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
 Bad CPS results in no-start, not no-crank.
 (Which was the original complaint, no?)
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Keep Driving Our Cars!!!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea it’s pretty bad how computerized and interconnected cars are. A bad radio 
can basically mechanically total a car now days. Throw away cars. Sounds real 
environmentally sound. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 6:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:08:33 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Interesting story:
>> 
>> https://www.marketplace.org/2023/08/07/why-have-car-repairs-gotten-so-expensive/
> 
> From the article:
> 
> ---
> 
> But there’s another big, non-pandemic reason: newer cars are more
> complicated to fix.
> 
> “Almost anything you touch now is coupled to something else, or has
> sensors embedded in it, whether it’s bumpers, or rear-view mirrors,” said
> K. Venkatesh Prasad, senior vice president of research and chief
> innovation officer at the Center for Automotive Research.
> 
>
> 
> “Everything’s tied together now on a network inside the car like a
> computer. And it’s not just individual bits and pieces anymore,” said
> Long.
> 
> He had a customer come into his shop recently because their car radio
> wasn’t working, “and what we found out was the radio was fine. But it
> needs to talk to the computer that controls the multimedia interface for
> the car. That computer was bad,” he said. “And the computer was $2,000.
> And then taking it all apart, getting to it, it was going to be $3,000 or
> $4,000. Back in the day you could just replace your radio.”
> 
>
> 
> “Back in the old days, when you would change the temperature or the floor
> or vent defrost and all those things on your HVAC control head, it would
> literally have these metal cables that would physically just open and
> close the flaps and doors and things,” he said. “There was no electronics
> involved, it was all mechanical, and they rarely ever broke. And when
> they did it wasn’t that big of a deal.” 
> 
> --
> 
> I wonder if they will ever get back to the simple, tried, and true.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Keep Driving Our Cars!!!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

makes me appreciate my 82 300CD or even w211 320

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, 7:09 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interesting story:
>
>
> https://www.marketplace.org/2023/08/07/why-have-car-repairs-gotten-so-expensive/
> [
> https://www.marketplace.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/GettyImages-1237700473-e1691419594760.jpg?w=1200
> ]<
> https://www.marketplace.org/2023/08/07/why-have-car-repairs-gotten-so-expensive/
> >
> Why have car repairs gotten so expensive? - Marketplace<
> https://www.marketplace.org/2023/08/07/why-have-car-repairs-gotten-so-expensive/
> >
> The cost of car maintenance and repair is rising much faster than
> inflation. The reasons? Labor, parts — and newer cars.
> www.marketplace.org
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Keep Driving Our Cars!!!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:08:33 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Interesting story:
> 
> https://www.marketplace.org/2023/08/07/why-have-car-repairs-gotten-so-expensive/

From the article:

---

But there’s another big, non-pandemic reason: newer cars are more
complicated to fix.

“Almost anything you touch now is coupled to something else, or has
sensors embedded in it, whether it’s bumpers, or rear-view mirrors,” said
K. Venkatesh Prasad, senior vice president of research and chief
innovation officer at the Center for Automotive Research.



“Everything’s tied together now on a network inside the car like a
computer. And it’s not just individual bits and pieces anymore,” said
Long.

He had a customer come into his shop recently because their car radio
wasn’t working, “and what we found out was the radio was fine. But it
needs to talk to the computer that controls the multimedia interface for
the car. That computer was bad,” he said. “And the computer was $2,000.
And then taking it all apart, getting to it, it was going to be $3,000 or
$4,000. Back in the day you could just replace your radio.”



“Back in the old days, when you would change the temperature or the floor
or vent defrost and all those things on your HVAC control head, it would
literally have these metal cables that would physically just open and
close the flaps and doors and things,” he said. “There was no electronics
involved, it was all mechanical, and they rarely ever broke. And when
they did it wasn’t that big of a deal.” 

--

I wonder if they will ever get back to the simple, tried, and true.


Craig

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[MBZ] Nice, Maybe a Little Pricey?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yeah, it's got 200k on the clock, but it certainly looks to be well cared for. 
If the cams, oilers and timing chain have been done it's probably a solid car.

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/winter-park-1991-mercedes-benz-420-sel/7652215505.html
[https://images.craigslist.org/00q0q_iIdJ8soWd4w_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
1991 Mercedes Benz 420 SEL - cars & trucks - by owner - 
vehicle...
Classic 1991 Mercedes Benz 420 SEL last year for this flagship luxurious S 
class body style very classy car and rides like a dream Runs excellent Cold AC 
many service records same owner for 20 years...
orlando.craigslist.org
-D
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[MBZ] Keep Driving Our Cars!!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Interesting story:

https://www.marketplace.org/2023/08/07/why-have-car-repairs-gotten-so-expensive/
[https://www.marketplace.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/GettyImages-1237700473-e1691419594760.jpg?w=1200]
Why have car repairs gotten so expensive? - 
Marketplace
The cost of car maintenance and repair is rising much faster than inflation. 
The reasons? Labor, parts — and newer cars.
www.marketplace.org

-D
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Re: [MBZ] won't start due to low oil?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Are you getting power at the relay?

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 4:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> New relay installed, problem persists. Would seem at this point the problem 
> could be the switch in the key mechanism, or the starter, Anyone know if in 
> the W211  the key switch directly powers the starter relay or does turning 
> the key tell the computer to start the car and the computer then activates 
> the relay?
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 12:11, Allan Streib wrote:
>> Yes, sometimes it starts normally, sometimes the starter turns maybe 
>> one cylinder stroke then stops, sometimes starter acts totally dead.
>> 
>> Any harm in turning the ignition “on” then using a jumper on the relay 
>> socket, just to rule out the relay?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 11:20, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Bad CPS results in no-start, not no-crank.
>>> (Which was the original complaint, no?)
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Oh, the irony!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

If an employer can pay you to work from home, he or she can pay Sanjay half as 
much to work from home in India or Pakistan.

Rick
From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: August 7, 2023 2:10 PM
To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Oh, the irony!

"One of the biggest companies behind the remote work revolution is having
its employees head back to the office. Staff who live within 50 miles of a
Zoom Video workplace must now be there at least two days per week, further
cementing an industry shift towards hybrid models of work. It's also a big
news for a company that beat Microsoft Skype, Cisco Webex, and Google Meet
at its own game, and led the word "Zoom" to be synonymous with
video-calling for entire industries."

06:07 AM *|* *Alphabet Inc. (GOOG)

| *By:
SA Editor Yoel Minkoff, SA News Editor
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Re: [MBZ] won't start due to low oil?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

You really, really need a SDS system to troubleshoot this. At least one of the 
cheap import scanners. You need to see the error codes and what module they're 
coming from.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 4:49 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] won't start due to low oil?

New relay installed, problem persists. Would seem at this point the problem 
could be the switch in the key mechanism, or the starter, Anyone know if in the 
W211  the key switch directly powers the starter relay or does turning the key 
tell the computer to start the car and the computer then activates the relay?

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 12:11, Allan Streib wrote:
> Yes, sometimes it starts normally, sometimes the starter turns maybe
> one cylinder stroke then stops, sometimes starter acts totally dead.
>
> Any harm in turning the ignition “on” then using a jumper on the relay
> socket, just to rule out the relay?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 11:20, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bad CPS results in no-start, not no-crank.
>> (Which was the original complaint, no?)
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] won't start due to low oil?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

New relay installed, problem persists. Would seem at this point the problem 
could be the switch in the key mechanism, or the starter, Anyone know if in the 
W211  the key switch directly powers the starter relay or does turning the key 
tell the computer to start the car and the computer then activates the relay?

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 12:11, Allan Streib wrote:
> Yes, sometimes it starts normally, sometimes the starter turns maybe 
> one cylinder stroke then stops, sometimes starter acts totally dead.
>
> Any harm in turning the ignition “on” then using a jumper on the relay 
> socket, just to rule out the relay?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 11:20, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bad CPS results in no-start, not no-crank.
>> (Which was the original complaint, no?)
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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[MBZ] OT: Oh, the irony!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"One of the biggest companies behind the remote work revolution is having
its employees head back to the office. Staff who live within 50 miles of a
Zoom Video workplace must now be there at least two days per week, further
cementing an industry shift towards hybrid models of work. It's also a big
news for a company that beat Microsoft Skype, Cisco Webex, and Google Meet
at its own game, and led the word "Zoom" to be synonymous with
video-calling for entire industries."

06:07 AM *|* *Alphabet Inc. (GOOG)

| *By:
SA Editor Yoel Minkoff, SA News Editor
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Re: [MBZ] Difference in build quality between old and new MB, aka todays GL adventures

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 2014 E250 ( former PA car) had the subframe rust out but replacement was
covered under an extended warranty.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 1:29 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If you drive in the winter on salted roads, in my experience rust is
> inevitable. Some cars hold out longer than others before it becomes a
> visible problem.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023, at 23:38, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 22:54:21 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I have never seen any rust on a X/W164, but I am sure there are rusty
> >> cars out there.  These do not seem prone to rust.
> >
> > It's good to know they have gotten the rust proofing right.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 Dodge Ram 3500 Dually 4x4 - $16,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, at 12:35, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> I'll have to keep that in mind for my next truck, as I'd prefer a manual.
>
> Then it won't be new.  I think 2018 was the last manual truck transmission
> you could get from Dodge.  Ford and Chevy had already dropped them.

2018 would be very new in the context of what I normally buy.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 2011 Dodge Ram 3500 Dually 4x4 - $16,500

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I'll have to keep that in mind for my next truck, as I'd prefer a manual.

Then it won't be new.  I think 2018 was the last manual truck transmission
you could get from Dodge.  Ford and Chevy had already dropped them.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 2011 Dodge Ram 3500 Dually 4x4 - $16,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I guess it is according to Wiki, it's a six-speed medium-duty manual 
transmission used in

2005 - 2018 Ram trucks
Mercedes-Benz Atego Truck
Mercedes-Benz Vario 818

I'll have to keep that in mind for my next truck, as I'd prefer a manual.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, at 11:04, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> "Mercedes G56 transmission" is that OE?
>
> Looks pretty nice but awfully high miles. Maybe not for a Cummins though.
>
> https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/d/bridgman-2011-dodge-ram-3500-dually-4x4/7651984655.html
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting -- transmission issues -- SLK 230,$1,000

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Ok 722.6 that’s what I was thinking. I sent a msg have not heard back. 
Connector might be buggered or the TCM was bad to begin with or fluid leak not 
the trans. Likely nothing significant esp if some jackleg mech was doing the 
work. I could probably get it sorted in the driveway. 

It’s maybe 4hr away but could be worth the trip. Quick fix and easy flip. I 
really can’t fit in those things so of no particular interest as a fun driver. 

--FT
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> On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:36 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2023-08-07 11:01, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> This could be a good deal.  I wonder if it needs to be coded or adapted to 
>> the car
> 
> That's a first gen SLK (R170), so I believe they're all 722.6.
> Should be straightforward.
> Ran after swapped, then quit working properly.
> Either defective conductor plate, oily TCU, or installer error most likely.
> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/600690908886063/
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300D - 176k miles - $11,900

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The price covers rental of a space on the showroom floor.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, 12:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A nice looking car but the price is insane. Especially as the AC and door
> locks don't work.
>
> Also a bit unusual that it's parked in Neutral -- starter interlock switch
> wonky?
>
> Under-dash panel missing to the left of the center console? And cracked on
> the right side?
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/riverside-1982-mercedes-benz-300d-turbo/7651891438.html
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[MBZ] 2011 Dodge Ram 3500 Dually 4x4 - $16,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Mercedes G56 transmission" is that OE?

Looks pretty nice but awfully high miles. Maybe not for a Cummins though.

https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/d/bridgman-2011-dodge-ram-3500-dually-4x4/7651984655.html


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[MBZ] 1982 300D - 176k miles - $11,900

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

A nice looking car but the price is insane. Especially as the AC and door locks 
don't work.

Also a bit unusual that it's parked in Neutral -- starter interlock switch 
wonky?

Under-dash panel missing to the left of the center console? And cracked on the 
right side?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/riverside-1982-mercedes-benz-300d-turbo/7651891438.html
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting -- transmission issues -- SLK 230,$1,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I had people loballing me on my $400 Focus parts car. It seems that the lower 
the asking price, the more the cheapskates come out of the woodwork.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, at 10:30, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Probably, but that should be a $100 bill at the dealer.
>
> $1000 car, no lo ballers, funny.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting -- transmission issues -- SLK 230,$1,000

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On 2023-08-07 11:01, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
This could be a good deal.  I wonder if it needs to be coded or adapted 
to the car


That's a first gen SLK (R170), so I believe they're all 722.6.
Should be straightforward.
Ran after swapped, then quit working properly.
Either defective conductor plate, oily TCU, or installer error most 
likely.




https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/600690908886063/


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Re: [MBZ] Interesting -- transmission issues -- SLK 230,$1,000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Probably, but that should be a $100 bill at the dealer.

$1000 car, no lo ballers, funny.

-D

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This could be a good deal.  I wonder if it needs to be coded or adapted to 
> the car
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/600690908886063/
> 
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[MBZ] Interesting -- transmission issues -- SLK 230,$1,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This could be a good deal.  I wonder if it needs to be coded or adapted 
to the car


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/600690908886063/

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[MBZ] The tires are bald and probably inedible Mercedes CLS550 18" Wheels and tires DO NOT EAT, $390

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Too chewy, although there is a quite a selection

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/990176868859715/

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[MBZ] Head gasket blown. 2003 Mercedes-Benz m-class ML 500 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 900

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Realtor let it overheat?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/828490575513235/

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[MBZ] Car does not currently start 2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 Sedan 4D, $2, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks decent, could be a good deal.  New key battery?  Starter relay?

we think it might be the starter. The key does not lock/unlock car or 
trunk. It only works the ignition.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/973115033997637

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[MBZ] driver of a black Mercedes was pinned underneath huge logs

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The driver of a black Mercedes was pinned underneath huge logs from a lumber 
truck as it crashed into a telephone pole but was rescued and taken to a 
hospital with serious injuries, firefighters said. 

STORY>> 
https://www.live5news.com/2023/08/07/driver-pinned-under-logs-crash-with-lumber-truck/

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