Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Thanks for the welcome Dan! In my past M1 was exactly what I was using back when buying parts from Rusty and listening to the wise council of Marshal Booth. Not sure if you guys know of them but they both really helped me do the care & feeding of my W123's back in 07. Found it interesting the PPI mechanic I found in Atlanta strongly advised against synthetic in the diesel W123 as he has seen many leaks over the 30,000 cars he has serviced of his time owning the shop. I never had that trouble but my experience set was much smaller than his. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! 😳 > > Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! > > The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or > designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is > oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, > especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in > your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc > is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many > engines of that vintage. > > The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just > do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest > oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it > regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. > > Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, > pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to > decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great > oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting > your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, > and go from there. > > I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and > filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure > that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just > fine for you as well. > > It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever > reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the > decision is ultimately yours. > > Good shopping! > > Dan > > > > On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > Thanks > > Troy > > 77 240d > > 81 300d > > 83 300cd > > 06 E320 CDI > > 06 S500 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
This will be my daily driver, as I'll probably unload my 06 CDI w/ 250k needs ABS & the interior is falling apart, my bride is not excited, she loves that car. I owned all my W123s in a previous life. She said she grew up hating the look of the W123 :-) Funny we may have one in the family now.. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Changing the oil annually on my W126 300SD regardless of mileage/oil brand > is a good way to inspect the car and undertake preventive maintenance at > the same time. > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 4:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines > > I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going > > 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > > important to me at the time. > > > > > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > > can plug it in. > > > > > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 > miles. > > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > > > > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited > amount > > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from > the > > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > > truck's computer. > > > > > > -Curt > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > > am > > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Troy > > > 77 240d > > > 81 300d > > > 83 300cd > > > 06 E320 CDI > > > 06 S500 > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I'm in Tennessee, only a few cold days. I drive the truck then. Thanks for the tip! On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've been using this lately. > > https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ > > Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. > > It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive my > W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing any > more than it already has. > > Allan > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x > > engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were > > OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > >> > >> A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > can plug it in. > >> > >> IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > >> > >> The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > truck's computer. > >> > >> -Curt > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > >> really in the mood for one again. > >> > >> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > >> you guys offer the most current wisdom. > >> > >> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Troy > >> 77 240d > >> 81 300d > >> 83 300cd > >> 06 E320 CDI > >> 06 S500 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I remember that, never actually did the analysis. Do you recall where you did that? Or the cost? On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines > I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going > 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > > > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > can plug it in. > > > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > truck's computer. > > > > -Curt > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > Thanks > > Troy > > 77 240d > > 81 300d > > 83 300cd > > 06 E320 CDI > > 06 S500 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am really in the mood for one again. Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could you guys offer the most current wisdom. I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. Thanks Troy 77 240d 81 300d 83 300cd 06 E320 CDI 06 S500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shop recommendations please.
Thanks Dan, that was very helpful! Troy On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Might want to take a look here: > > http://www.benzworld.org/forums/u-s-east/ > > > Dan > > > > On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I need any referrals from you folks. My daughter and her 1995 E420 > 250kMi > > are heading to graduate school in Virginia Beach. I'm looking for a shop > > for her. > > > > Any help would be really appreciated > > > > Thanks > > Troy K4FAP > > 1977 240d, 196kMi(sold); 1982 240d 136kMi(sold); 1982 240d 220kMi(sold), > > 1982 E300 (sold); > > 1990 190E 160kMi; 1995 E300 238kMi (totaled), 1995 E420 224kMi, 1995 E420 > > 101kMi (sold), 2006 E320 CDI 107kMi > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Shop recommendations please.
I need any referrals from you folks. My daughter and her 1995 E420 250kMi are heading to graduate school in Virginia Beach. I'm looking for a shop for her. Any help would be really appreciated Thanks Troy K4FAP 1977 240d, 196kMi(sold); 1982 240d 136kMi(sold); 1982 240d 220kMi(sold), 1982 E300 (sold); 1990 190E 160kMi; 1995 E300 238kMi (totaled), 1995 E420 224kMi, 1995 E420 101kMi (sold), 2006 E320 CDI 107kMi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
