Re: [MBZ] OT The Chip That Changed the World,Most of the wealth created since 1971 is a result of Intel’s 4004 microprocessor.
The 4004 was a good chip for 1971. There were others, but the 4004 was adopted by NASA I believe for hand held calculators, and being made in large quantities (for the time) and not a proprietary military chip, became the basis for a lot of early small computers. Mainframes at the time had a lot of discrete components. Sadly the Japanese inventor decided he didn't want to live in America any more, and went back to Japan after the 4004 was finalized, and all subsequent developments were derivative. The 8008 and Z80 (clones by other people of Intel designs are not new) were adopted by Digital Research as the basis for their computing equipment (with an amazing 5GB hard drive!) in the late 70s, and we've been stuck with them ever since. I suspect the lack of innovation also had a great deal to do with the very early death of the founder of Intel, and the company has been run by corporate drones ever since. Can't criticize the 4004, it was a good design, but later implementations because worse and worse, and when 286 CPU came out Intel could not design a math co-processor chip using CMOS technology, and the NMOS version routinely caught fire in use. They had to help set up AMD to make a working chip, and it still required a lot of extra cooling. Coupled with Mommy getting Billy a deal from an old friend and IBM's inability to make functioning hardware or write an OS after VMS, we got stuck with low grade software pirated from someone else and second rate processors. Water under the bridge now, and the Intel based computer will be history soon. Hopefully Windows will be too! No intel chips in cell phones, eh? On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Intel's CPU architecture is too complex. Endless security problems such as > Meltdown, Spectre, Rowhammer, with no good mitigations that don't cripple > performance. More to come for sure. > > ARM64 in higher core counts is the next wave. Apple's M1 processor is the > first really mainstream example. > > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> Yet Intel stock underperforms its peer group... >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 11:37 AM OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> Yes. the link works. Now I'll read the article. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> See if this link works, WSJ say it will. Very interesting article >>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-chip-that-changed-the-world-microprocessor-computing-transistor-breakthrough-intel-11636903999?st=hx6g922ishd7qzx&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >>> Wernher >>> Von Braun >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT The Chip That Changed the World,Most of the wealth created since 1971 is a result of Intel’s 4004 microprocessor.
Intel's CPU architecture is too complex. Endless security problems such as Meltdown, Spectre, Rowhammer, with no good mitigations that don't cripple performance. More to come for sure. ARM64 in higher core counts is the next wave. Apple's M1 processor is the first really mainstream example. On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > Yet Intel stock underperforms its peer group... > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 11:37 AM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Yes. the link works. Now I'll read the article. > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > See if this link works, WSJ say it will. Very interesting article > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-chip-that-changed-the-world-microprocessor-computing-transistor-breakthrough-intel-11636903999?st=hx6g922ishd7qzx&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink > > > > > > -- > > > --FT > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT The Chip That Changed the World,Most of the wealth created since 1971 is a result of Intel’s 4004 microprocessor.
Yet Intel stock underperforms its peer group... On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 11:37 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Yes. the link works. Now I'll read the article. > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > See if this link works, WSJ say it will. Very interesting article > > > > > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-chip-that-changed-the-world-microprocessor-computing-transistor-breakthrough-intel-11636903999?st=hx6g922ishd7qzx&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink > > > > -- > > --FT > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT The Chip That Changed the World,Most of the wealth created since 1971 is a result of Intel’s 4004 microprocessor.
Yes. the link works. Now I'll read the article. On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > See if this link works, WSJ say it will. Very interesting article > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-chip-that-changed-the-world-microprocessor-computing-transistor-breakthrough-intel-11636903999?st=hx6g922ishd7qzx&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT The Chip That Changed the World,Most of the wealth created since 1971 is a result of Intel’s 4004 microprocessor.
See if this link works, WSJ say it will. Very interesting article https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-chip-that-changed-the-world-microprocessor-computing-transistor-breakthrough-intel-11636903999?st=hx6g922ishd7qzx&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
