Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

2020-06-03 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> So, if you wear a rubber glove, put your hand into a container of nasty
> chemicals, and still get chemical burns on your hand, you can't conclude
> that the gloves did not protect your hand?

That depends.  Did you re-use gloves by turning them inside out as part of
the procedure?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

2020-06-03 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Also if you read to the last paragraph of the story:

One weakness of the trial, he added, is that because testing was not
widely available during the time of the trial, their analysis used a
combination of lab-confirmed positive covid-19 tests and symptoms to
count someone as infected.

So "infected and asymptomatic" was not distinguished from "not infected"


Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  writes:

> As I hope you are aware, it is not possible in a scientific experiment to 
> confirm the null hypothesis. So the conclusion is unwarranted.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:16 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study
>
> "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
> getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
> published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

2020-06-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
So, if you wear a rubber glove, put your hand into a container of nasty
chemicals, and still get chemical burns on your hand, you can't conclude
that the gloves did not protect your hand?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:36 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I hope you are aware, it is not possible in a scientific experiment to
> confirm the null hypothesis. So the conclusion is unwarranted.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:16 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study
>
> "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
> getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
> published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

2020-06-03 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
As I hope you are aware, it is not possible in a scientific experiment to 
confirm the null hypothesis. So the conclusion is unwarranted.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

"Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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